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The Power of Probiotics

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Thread Starter 
I compiled this list for a friend and thought it might be good here.

IMO, although very common these days the following are not "normal" for infants and toddlers and are evidence the need for a close look at dietary/health issues:

Chronic Ear Infections
Profound Food allergies of all types--- even to the extent of being deadly
Constant runny nose
Constant throwing up
Persistant cough
Poor appetite
Low growth- weight gain (except in cases where genetic predisposition dictates)





These are pdf files:




Procreate, Lactate, Disseminate!


2/22/2004 Additions:





natha's "eczema" thread:

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merci goodpapa!
excellent complement to my thread "eczema"
post #3 of 567
Thread Starter 

I'll have to check your thread out...

...I'm curious cause I have my own little "leaky gut" thread over in the vax forum called "Hope, Faith and Activism" (it started out as something but turned into something else.)

Maybe I'll bring some over and we can compare notes.

Always happy to meet other disseminators!

post #4 of 567
Thanks...very timely.
post #5 of 567
Thread Starter 


....words of my Spiritual Father...

"Energy is the only life, and is from the body; and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy.

Energy is Eternal Delight."

For the Visionary only,

post #6 of 567
New to the whole pribiotics thing but doing more research. A couple of questions for you. Is this something I should be taking and giving my 17 mo. old ds on a regular basis - adn if so -do you recommend a certain brand (I'd be buying it, not making it) and dosage to give to a babe/toddler? I've looked into some brands but it seems they are more recommended for a little older child.

post #7 of 567
Thread Starter 

I buy my probiotic powders at...

....my local Whole Foods from a refrigerated case.

"Ethical Nutrients" Acidophilus and Bifidorum and



you can check out the Jarrow site for the baby version.

I culture two different yogurts for everyone in my family from the two powders I buy.

The point of culturing is two fold. I believe they are far more powerful and ready for action when they have just been born and are in their metabolic products. Remember you're trying to get them to cohabit with the epithelial cells in the GI tract.

To get the volume of bacteria to really make a difference would cost a fortune. One or two caps a day ain't gonna do it.
Especially if you're still eating meats pumped full of antibiotics (gotta keep those sick cattle alive long enough to turn them into food!)

When my son started getting dairy at about a year he loved the yogurt so much he could eat 2 6 oz containers in a day.

Compare that volume to a couple of caps.

He went through his measles at 18 months with barely a rash-- it was very faint and stayed only on his chest and back, never made it to his face and limbs.

That's how strong his immune system is.

If you're not sure how that relates to the probiotics, keep reading the links I posted-- I promise that all the info is there.

Procreate, Lactate, Disseminate!

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How Often Should 22 lb 8 month old receive babyjarrodophilous?

He's finished his second round of antibiotics (another story!) and is now having digestive problems. He's had 1/4 t. of the babyjarrodophilous once a day, but I"m wondering if I can or should give him another dose or two throughout the day.

Anyone know? Thanks!!
post #9 of 567
I myself take probiotics and will gladly sing the praises of the benefits of taking them...
but I think an even more important and effective way of obtaining health and balance from probiotics is through dietary therapies. Many traditional cultures around the world have long incorporated specific foods to their daily diet, foods that include beneficial bacteria, aka probiotics...
The Korean~ Kim Chee
Japanese~ miso, tempeh, oshinka, tofu, amazake
Chinese~ tofu
India ~ yogurt, tofu, and pickled vegetables
Europe~ yogurt, cultured butter and cheeses, pickled vegetables, sour kraut
Latin America~ cultured sour cream, pickled relishes
etc etc etc
We all could benefit greatly by incorporating these foods into our daily diets. I have seen great improvement in my digestive health and immunity once I began eating yogurt, tempeh, tofu, miso, sour kraut, and cultured sour cream on a regular basis.
There are also other foods that work greatly in conjunction to these foods by supporting healthy bacteria/flora levels~
-shitake mushrooms
-apple cider vinegar
-ginger root
-various chili peppers
-sea vegis
post #10 of 567
Thread Starter 

Here's a link I discovered...

....that establishes the importance of healthy flora for eliminating rather than absorbing the mercury (and other heavy metals for that matter) in our diets.


I have seen reference to the fact that they help keep pesticides and other toxic chemicals from being absorbed by the GI tract but I still have to find a specific study.

The issue of mercury in our food is not limited to issues with fish consumption. Soils all over the world and specifically in the US are being contaminated by the burning of coal in power plants.

North Carolina' rain has tested at TWICE the level for mercury that the EPA recommends and we sure know that they aren't exactly the toughest standards.

Even if we eat organic we still need to have healthy flora in order to keep the toxins out.

If you are growing food on your property, as a rotational crop plant sunflowers, they draw heavy metals from the soil into their stems. I don't know if the metals migrate to the seeds or not, but without specific studies to reference I would throw the whole crop out.

For any interested in more info do a web search for "phytoremediation"


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fascinating about the sunflowers. beautiful and a health benefit too. i love it.
post #12 of 567
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Just gettin my links back...

....from my computer crash and burn.

Luckily, I posted everything worthwhile.

This is good for any newbies here.

Get Cultured!

post #13 of 567
Thanks so much for that info.......
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(it took me 20 min. to find this!)

Also, I am having trouble finding Baby's JarroDophilus. Of the online retailers listed on Jarrow's website, they either don't sell it or their sites are malfunctioning. HELP!!

I think my son could use some. His poops have been really weird recently. Info on probiotics in a thread here called "poor weight gain and allergy" peaked my interest.

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Whole Foods "shopping list" ??

What are the brand names, products you all get at Whole Foods? I found, for example, Kefir (organic lowfat), an acidopholus whole milk yogurt, and some other similar products. There's also a refrid. case in the natural remedies aisle, but I don't know which ones to buy.

I am not looking to culture own yogurt, just incorporate probiotics into dd and ds's diet in a relatively easy way (e.g., store bought yogurt if poss., adding probiotic powder to their milk.. or too good to be true????). FYI.. they currently eat mostly organic, whole foods - healthy diet by most standards. Just interested in natural boost to immune system, esp. during this flu season (and allergies run strongly in dh's family).
post #16 of 567
Thanks Ray saved me a lot of searching!
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In the interest of time...

Is there a specific place to find information about the use of probiotics to treat/help a child who is receiving medication for lactose intolerance? I have a niece who has been on meds for over 3 years now and I just know theres more that can be done in her diet to get her off regular medication for an intolerance that was probably brought on by her diet to begin with. Thanks!
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Goodpapa, Amnesiac, others..

I have done some reading on probiotics (incl on this website). I bought Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions, for example, and found it to be very informative (and a terrific read). But I still have so many questions and am left feeling more confused than before. I think what I'm missing is a "primer" of how to get started. What to give and when, how much, etc... I am hoping you might be able to help me and others who seem to be in the same boat.

I am interested in incorporating more probiotics into their diet, as I am fairly convinced of its immune-boosting properties and protection against allergies -- it being cold/flu season, dd and ds having been born early, and allergies running rampant in dh's family.. I worry about being "high risk" for illness and allergy. Dd and ds are 20 months old, healthy... they eat mostly organic foods, and I try to buy/serve whole grains as much as possible. Hardly any sugar at all. So their diet is already very healthy from a mainstream perspective anyway. They ADORE yogurt, and a few months ago, I switched from YoBaby to organic whole milk PLAIN yogurt (with fresh fruit mixed in) and they love it. Hmmm... anything else pertinent. Ds weighs around 22 pounds. Dd weighs around 27 pounds. They do drink organic whole cow's milk - around 12 oz. a day. Both were sensitive to dairy in my diet when infants, but have grown out of it and seem to tolerate dairy well now.

Now a few specific questions I still have...

1.) Is it possible to benefit from incorporating "probiotics" without culturing your own food. With twins, I cannot imagine finding the time to do this. Or if you can only do store-bought (e.g., Jarrow Baby, Kefir, etc.), should you even bother.
2.) Which products? How much? How often? For exmaple, will 6 oz. of whole milk yogurt mixed with a little Baby Jarrow powder each day be enough?
3.) How will I know it's "working"?? For example, will poops change? If so, how? (Sorry - yuck!)

Any pearls of wisdom you all have in getting started would be SOOO helpful. Sorry to have rambled on, but as I said, I'm sort of at the stage where I have more questions than answers.
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