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post #221 of 567
Thank you very much everyone for the responses and the time you took to write them. i have copied and pasted them into an email and asked DH to print them out for me at work(our printer is not working)

Goodpapa, I asked the question out of sheer curiosity. I don't doubt the awesome power of probiotics, just wondering about the benefits of supplementing a child from birth who is breastfed and had a vaginal birth. From your post and mountain moms I now understand that even if you do everything "right" a young babe can still benefit from extra help in the probiotic department.

I am so glad I posted my questions here, and that you all took the time to help me.

Mountain Mom, I would love to know more about your essential oil blend for yeast and thrush situations. Thank you kindly for your offer to share
post #222 of 567
Good to see you back, Goodpapa. I had worried we lost our local raging lactavist!
I have a question that I hope you guys won't mind giving me your opinion on.
Sorry if it's tmi....here goes.
I have been told I have bacterial vaginosis, and I know that I have constant yeast problems. I am due to give birth again this coming January, and want my body to be the best it can for my babe to pass through. What would ya'll recommend I do as far as probiotics? I also have a 2 1/2 ds who I believe also has yeast issues which are my fault, I'm sure.
Admittedly, I am a sugar-holic. No doubt due to the yeasty beasties telling me how badly I need refined sugar. :
Anyway-any help will be GREATLY appreciated!
post #223 of 567
wondering...is there any way that giving my daughter a probiotic supplement would cause an upset stomach? she has had two very spontaneous, totally unexpected throw-ups since she's been on it. she is pretty prone to throwing up for various reasons, but these were without warning, hours after she'd eaten, and the only thing i can think of that has changed has been the probiotic. part of the reason i have her on it is that i'm hoping this will help her reflux, not make it worse!

(fyi, she is taking the Udo's Choice Infant Probiotic, 1/2 teaspoon once a day.)
post #224 of 567
Originally Posted by zanelee
Admittedly, I am a sugar-holic.
Good stuff for sugar-holics.
post #225 of 567
Originally Posted by punkprincessmama
Mountain Mom, I would love to know more about your essential oil blend for yeast and thrush situations. Thank you kindly for your offer to share
Hi there,
Here is the recipe. If you have any questions just ask. Make sure to follow dilution percentages closely.

This is an essential oil blend that is excellent at healing vagintosis, yeast infections etc. This is for adults only. Take one drop internally daily and dilute to a concentration of 3% essential oils in a carrier oil to soak a tampon in and insert overnight. Also rub the diluted form on your belly and massage. Make sure the E.O.'s are distilled from organic herb matter.
Tea Tree 2 parts
Cinnamon LEAF (not BARK) 1 part
Oregano 2 parts
Peppermint 1 part

This following recipe is for active thrush in babes and kids. Take one drop and swish into the babes mouth and on the nursing Mom's nipples.

In this recipe I am asking you to take drops of oils. A drop of an essential oil comes from a graduate dropper. Turn the bottle upside down and let the drop fall on its own with no help from you (ie tapping the bottle)

Blend into a 12 ml bottle. The total drops into the bottle will be 22 drops which constitutes just under 1 ml.

Again source essentail oils distilled from organic plant matter for this.

Niaoulli 3 drops
Lavender 3 drops
Lemongrass 6 drops
Marjoram 3 drops
Pepperming 3 drops
Rosemary 3 drops
Cinnamon Leaf 2 drops

Top the bottle up with a carrier oil such as grapeseed or jojoba.

HTH, good luck.
post #226 of 567
Originally Posted by goodpapa
Hi, mountain mom, I didn't miss your offer of recipes for fermenting. I've got the time, the crawl space should be the perfect temp right now, and I'm re-reading Sandor Katz's Wild Fermentation. Sauerkraut and beets are at the top of my listRay
HI Ray,
My recipe is pretty simple.

Take beets (any variety, this year I used Chiogga!), turnip, carrot and ginger. Shred to a consistency that feels good to you. I should add that I use the same amount of beet and turnip, and a quarter of the amount of carrot and 1/8 of that of ginger.

Once you have shredded sprinkle celtic sea salt over the veg and mix it up in your crock or jar. You can add caraway seeds too.

Then follow Sandor's instructions from there in.

I am going to make Amasake from Amaranth. Any one tried this?
post #227 of 567
Originally Posted by rareimer
wondering...is there any way that giving my daughter a probiotic supplement would cause an upset stomach? she has had two very spontaneous, totally unexpected throw-ups since she's been on it. she is pretty prone to throwing up for various reasons, but these were without warning, hours after she'd eaten, and the only thing i can think of that has changed has been the probiotic. part of the reason i have her on it is that i'm hoping this will help her reflux, not make it worse!

(fyi, she is taking the Udo's Choice Infant Probiotic, 1/2 teaspoon once a day.)
Sometime probiotics can cleanse out whatever is ailing the digestive system. In children they tend to release toxins quickly!

I wanted to add too, that there is virus running around here (close to you) that presents very much like what you describe.

If she complains of tummy upset, lower her dosage, since the probiotic issues a turf war of sorts at the beginning causing gas and bloating sometimes.

post #228 of 567
Well, I think I have finally gotten the hang of making yogurt. The crock pot didn't work out too well, but I don't think it was the crock pot's error. For some reason I didn't put any water in the crock; I just set my container of yogurt in there ... Needless to say, I kind of cooked the container. But, I've been using a big pan I have that has a pretty good sized domed lid ... I put my yogurt mix (milk and probiotic powder) into mason jars (little 8oz ones) and then fill the pan up with hot tap water. I put a thermometer in there to keep a check of things and every now and then put the stove on really low to heat the water again. If it's bedtime and it's not done yet, I refill with hot water and put it all in the oven (with it off) to let it culture over night.

Then, I put some yogurt in a bowl, add some wheatgerm and honey and YUMMY!!! Ds#1 still thinks it's not good ... hopefully I'll find a flavor combo he'll like (like puree'd strawberries or peaches). Oh, and I also blend it with some OJ and a banana and honey for a really tasty smoothy. I think next I want to buy some Really Raw Honey and use that instead of the store bought stuff ... even more nutritional stuff in there.

I'm hoping that between increasing our intake of probiotics and eliminating straight milk (for drinking) as well as ice cream/pudding we can get control of our allergies and ds#2's reflux issues.
post #229 of 567
I found this and would love to hear what others think...

Thought you may find this article of interest:

To avoid developing vulvovaginal candidiasis after antibiotic use, many women use complementary and alternative therapies, including lactobacillus in various forms (e.g., oral capsules, vaginal suppositories, yogurt). In this Australian study, 278 women (age range, 18-50) with nongynecologic
infections were randomized to receive one of four regimens during 6 days of antibiotic use and 4 days thereafter: an oral lactobacillus-containing powder (one-half teaspoon twice daily) and a lactobacillus-containing vaginal suppository (once daily at bedtime); oral lactobacillus and vaginal placebo; vaginal lactobacillus and oral placebo; or double placebo.

Women completed symptom surveys and provided self-collected vaginal-swab specimens at baseline and either 4 days after completing their randomized treatment or when symptoms developed. Cases were defined as women with
symptoms plus candida isolated from the follow-up swab; asymptomatic women with positive cultures were not considered cases.

The trial was terminated when enrollment was 62% complete because interim analysis showed no evidence of treatment benefit. Of the 235 women with complete outcome data (85% of those randomized), 55 developed symptomatic
vaginal candidiasis. The incidence was 24% with oral and vaginal lactobacillus, 24% with oral lactobacillus and vaginal placebo, 29% with vaginal lactobacillus and oral placebo, and 17% with double placebo. The resulting odds ratios for developing candidiasis were 1.06 for oral lactobacillus and 1.38 for vaginal lactobacillus (both ORs were nonsignificant).

Comment: Despite conventional wisdom encouraging women to use lactobacillus preparations to prevent yeast infections after antibiotic use, this small but well-designed study demonstrated no benefit from this practice. In fact, the findings suggest the potential for harm. Based on this study,
clinicians should discourage patients from using these products to prevent post-antibiotic yeast infections.
post #230 of 567
Originally Posted by lactationlady
I found this and would love to hear what others think...

Thought you may find this article of interest:
I think the study was poorly designed and operated on principles not yet established as fact: such as why did they only take the supplements for 10 days. I have seen studies on L. reuteri concluding that it takes 21 days to colonize.

It did lead me to this interesting page:
post #231 of 567
ITA that the study was poorly designed. During the six days of the antibiotics, the antibiotics were killing everything, including the supplement. So bascially these gals got supplemented for 4 days.
post #232 of 567
mountain mom, thank you again for your help
post #233 of 567
No prob ppm my pleasure!!!
post #234 of 567
ANother question...

I find that the easiest way to get my boys their probiotics is to put it into their soymilk once a day. I just empty a capsule of jarrow (the 3.4 billion ones LOL) into the cup and shake it all up with the soy milk. My question is, can I just put the probiotics into the container of soymilk (figuring out how much per oz to get the correct dose of course) instead of in individual cups?? We usually go through a half gallon every two and a half days or so.

Is there any problem doing it this way?? Please advise

Thank you!
post #235 of 567
bumping back to the front page
post #236 of 567
I don't see why that would be a problem.
post #237 of 567
Hi everyone. Great Thread. I am just getting into cultured milk like kefir and yogurt. Next I want to start fermenting!! Just wanted to know if anyone can help me with this. My neice is 17 months old and allergic to soy and dairy. Which means it is very hard to feed her!! My sister isn't really into anything like this as she "thinks" she is too busy and doesn't have the money and so on. I am just wondering what kind of probiotics or cultured foods to feed her. Just start her on the Jarro capsules? The allergist tells my sister to not give her any milk or soy products so I don't know if she will go for cultered milk. She uses rice milk right now so maybe I could culture that? Let mw know what you think. I'd appreciate the help.

All the info here is great! I came looking for one thing and found a lot more. Thanks.
post #238 of 567

Recipe Help

I'm a little confused really. I want to make the probiotics yogurt for my 7 mo. old, but... the recipe i saw in this thread calls for milk. I thought that under a year old, babies cannot drink cow's milk. Am I missing something? Or, should I just be spoon feeding the baby jarro to my DC?

Also, if the milk recipe is apporpriate for my babe...is it also appropriate for an adult? Should there be a different recipe for each of us.

One more question, I've seen recipes but they are just boil milk and cool to 100 degrees and let sit overnight. When do I add the probiotics? Don't I need something to thicken the milk to form yogurt? Is there anything else I should be adding to boost my child's and my immune system?

As you can tell, I am very new at this. Any help is appreciated greatly.
post #239 of 567
Thread Starter 

Welcome summerblu to the wild and woolly world....

...of those friendly flora!

First off, what you need for the wee one is this:


The PERFECT combo for a 7 month old is breastmilk and the powder. Just wet your finger when nursing and put some powder on it, gently get into your child's mouth. There's NO BETTER food for the flora than breastmilk.

For yourself, culture the powder, I wouldn't worry about getting the adult verision of Jarrow unless you want to. No thickener required, just sterilize the milk at 185 degrees, add your powder (about 6 caps per 6 oz) at 115 degrees and culture. I would advise making a small starter amount and then using that to make larger amounts. 3 oz probiotic yogurt can make 48 oz (or more).

Here's more info than you need.


BTW, those instructions mentioning skim milk (above) are dead wrong. Skim milk has powdered skim milk in it for thickening. Skim milk has been processed with heat and contains OXIDIZED cholesterol, NOT good. This is the type of cholesterol that IS bad for us.

I use two percent organic milk.

The best thing for your baby's immune system is YOUR diet at this point.


No more PharmaDestruction, Let's get Cultured!


PS There's nothing like the power of breastmilk, kinda makes those vaxes look as ridiculous as they are:

Breast isn't the best option, it's the ONLY option!

Here's a lil' bit from Jamie Murphy's "What Every Parent Should Know About Childhood Immunization" on

"The Protective Factors in Breastmilk"

"Breast milk has proven to inhibit the growth of many bacteria and viruses in laboratory experiments. Antibodies or isoagglutinins have been isolated from breast milk in response to the following disease organisms: tetanus; pertussis; pneumonia; diphtheria; polio virus 1, 2 and 3; mumps; Coxsackie and echo virus; smallpox; and influenza organisms."

"The immunoglobulin IgA is referred to as secretory IgA (sIgA) and is somewhat different from the IgA that is produced in serum. The secretory immunoglobulin found in breast milk is thought to be produced in the mammary gland of the mother. SIgA greatly benefits breast-feeding infants because it coats their intestinal tract with "anti-septic paint", thus protecting the infant from bacterial and viral invasions from such pathogens as E. coli, poliovirus, streptococi, staphylococci, and pneumococci."

"One of the major reasons for the substantially lower incidence of infant diarrhea in breast-fed babies is the quality of their intestinal flora. In contrast, infants who are reared on cows-milk based formulas have an intestinal flora that is predominately bacteroides, streptococcus faecalis, and E. coli organisms. The gut flora of exclusively breast-fed infants is colonized almost entirely with friendly bacteria: lactobacilli and bifido-bacteria. In 1953, Gyorgy demonstrated that human milk contained a carbohydrate known as the bifidus factor, whcih may encourage the growth of these beneficial organisms. In breast-fed infants, the production of ascetic acid and lactic acid by friendly lactobacillus bacteria lowers the ph (acid-alkaline balance) of the stool, thus providing a suitable acid environment, which prevents the growth of yeasts, shigella, and E. coli bacteria. As a result, breast-fed infants are largely protected from the organisms associated with candida albicans, dysentery, infantile diarrhea, and gastroenteritis."

Remember that the regular meats we eat are loaded with high-powered antibiotics that can knock out our beneficial intestinal flora, and that the infants "colonization" can only be as good as the mothers.
post #240 of 567
Thread Starter 

I hope everything is going well, punkprincessmama....

..."sheer curiosity" is the lifeblood of our soul....

...welcome artisticat...

Jarro and bananas with any ambient fruit that your niece likes would be a start.

Altering the consciousness of your sister will take far more effort and time.

How much are you up to? and how much will you be allowed to control?

I get the feeling that there is no breastmilk presently in this equation. Is that so? Has there been any?

If you have the money and can drop off food for your niece, will the gift be accepted?

An organic diet would be best. I'm sure a smoothie of organic strawberries, bananas, mangos and papayas (hard to find organic and the least contaminated) would do your niece a world of good.

Check out the link in the previous post to see the best food options.

Good luck,


PS While I'm at it, here's a "taste" of what's possible.

This is where we get our beef:


With shipping, the family sampler is around 6 and half bucks a pound. Not bad for cheap Omega-3 (try getting fish for that price). My last order had the soup bones and I was surpised to see quite a bit of meat on them. I'm gearing up to make another "Beef Barley" for the winter.

Get whole grain (not pearled) for amazing nutrition. My local food coop got me a 25lb bag for .69/lb. Soup bones for stock, chunks of beef, carrots, celery, root veggies, mushrooms (this is the very expensive part) like shitake, maitake, matsutake, oyster, etc. But even with minimal or simple button mushrooms, this is dynamite nutrition, and as cheap as it gets.

BTW, the beef is aged-- really good. I'm curious to find out what bacteria predominate. I did see recently that L. plantarum is used in dry, Italian sausages.

Also, the meat comes frozen, and though I used to thaw it first, much of the "juice" (yes, that is a euphamism) runs out. Now, I have the no-thaw, grill method. Very hot grill (meat on skillet with a little water--keep a little till the end), sear the outside, then turn down to slowly thaw and cook inside. It works best to the rarer end of the spectrum.

Just got a first jar for culturing sauerkraut. It's one of those Sun Tea jars, that I'm going to paint black on the outside and put a cork wrapped in cheesecloth (to allow gasses out) in the little hole on the lid, using a smaller jar pressed up under the lid to hold the cabbage down under the broth.

I'll be looking for a nice cabbage this weekend at the farmer's market.

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