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post #61 of 79
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Welcome to mdc, 5pointedstar!

Do you mean a bio of Mary Magdalene?

All bios will be subjective, since her extra-gospel existence is legendary.

I like Starbird's books.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...303180-3974216
post #62 of 79
5pstar! Check out Mary Called Magdaline by Margaret George
Its fictional but based on lots of bible study. If you skip to the last chapter it explains where the authour got her ideas. Very good book. One of my top favs.
post #63 of 79
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I read that book. The thing about it was, it did not agree with the premise of this thread. Mary and Jesus were "just friends," she did not annoint him, and she was imagined as unwillingly and negatively possessed by Astarte, one of her "demons," which I found very annoying, as Astarte is the Great Goddess, not a mere demon by any stretch.

Also, the author imagined Magdala as her home and with a bustling fishing industry, whereas there is little to no evidence Magdala existed in 0 CE.

It is long. If you have time it would be worthwhile to read it as a contrast to The Woman with the Alabaster Jar. Completely diametric views.
post #64 of 79
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Back again with the cover story from Newsweek this week which happens to be on our subject.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/999077.asp

It erroneously says she is named after her hometown of Magdala, instead of the true meaning of her name, Magdal-Eder, the Tower of the Flock.

Article also contains nfo about modern movements to recongnize all women of the bible.

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The year’s surprise “it” girl is the star of a mega best seller, a hot topic on campuses and rumored to be the “special friend” of a famous and powerful man. Yet she’s still very much a woman of mystery.

Scholars working with ancient texts now believe she was one of Christ’s most devoted followers, perhaps even his trusted confidante and financial backer.

“The Da Vinci Code,” ...has enraged many theologians who consider it anti-Catholic, but it has also added new force to an already dynamic debate among women who see Magdalene’s story as a parable for their own struggles to find a place in the modern church. None of this would be possible without a new generation of women Biblical scholars who have brought a very modern passion to the ancient tradition of scriptural reinterpretation—to correct what these scholars regard as a male misreading of key texts.
edited to add link :LOL
post #65 of 79
I was checkin it out and I could not find where the idea that it was Mary M who wept on Jesus' feet. Wasnt it just an unnamed woman? Why does everyone think it was her?
post #66 of 79
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This needs to be moved to religious studies, but I thought I would bump it for those newer members who are interested and haven't seen it.

Anyone else care to answer the final unanswered question?
post #67 of 79
I think the gospels speak of two different women who annointed Jesus' feet, but I'm not sure.

Personally, I never, ever read that and thought of it as sexual at all. :

Jesus clearly wasn't bound by the prevailing culture. Everybody knew it. (remember the woman caught in adultery? Remember he allowed Mary, sister of Lazarus, to sit at his feet?) Perhaps those women just felt safe to express thier deep devotion and gratitude towards him? It seems to me to have been more of a humbling act than a sexual one. I wouldn't even wipe my husband's dirty feet with my hair, even though I love him dearly. 'Specially not in front of a group of men or in a religious leader's house!
post #68 of 79
I was raised in Catholic schools in the 80's/90's, and here's what I can tell you about current Catholic teachings on Mary Magdaline.

First of all, I didn't find out until I read the DaVinci Code that she wasn't the prostitute that Pope had claimed her to be. It is still being taught to Catholic children that Mary Magdaline was a whore, who changed her ways and was accepted into Jesus' circle, albeit NOT the circle of his apostles.

Until I read this thread, I'd never even thought of the idea that Mary Madgaline and Mary of Mary, Martha and Lazarus (sounds like a folk singing group :LOL) were the same person. So, that's not discussed in Catholic teachings, either.

Oh, and as far as sex and sexuality is concerned, I learned, not in so many words, that sex is a nasty, dirty, evil thing that you save for the person you love enough to spend the rest of your life with.

And then people wonder why I have so many sexual hangups.
post #69 of 79
Luke 7:36Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, so he went to the Pharisee's house and reclined at the table. 37When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee's house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfume, 38and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.39When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is–that she is a sinner.”40Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.” “Tell me, teacher,” he said. 41“Two men owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[d] and the other fifty. 42Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he canceled the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”43Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled.” “You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.44Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven–for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.” 48Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”49The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”50Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”


Maggie it was one woman. I remembered it as two seperate women also. I don't see any mention that it was mary Magdalee though who did it.

this is one of my favorite favorite stories in the bible. what I imagine this woman planning for days. she knows with every fiber of her being that Jesus is someone special. She knows how absolutely unworthy she is but somehow that unworth compels her to seek him out because she knows He is the only one who can restore her dignity. forgive her sins. Judging from the pharasees comment she had quite a reputation. So how was she going to convince him to forgive her. what offering could she bring? Maybe she had one treasured possession. Or maybe she sold everything she owned to get it. maybe her own body was the price. a beutiful jar of expensive perfume. the very best she could gather from whatever source.. She would bring that. She would bow bfore him and annoint him the way a king should be served. She would give herself entirely to his service. If she was going to be used and degraded at least she was going to be used and degraded by Him. It would be to her honor. So she summons up every ounce of curage and resolve and boldly marchs in where she clearly did not belong. I can't even imagine. She must have expected to be thrown in jail or stoned outright. how dare she walk into this setting. but upon seeing jesus, Jesus who knew what was about to unfold probably lit up when he saw her. Knowing that Gods glory was about to be revealed and he was about to worshiped beautifull and fully. he knew he from time immotal and knew what was about to happen. And he was pleased before she even said a word. She came undone. absolutely undone in his pressence. And I have had moments like this. 2 to be exact. Where I had great plans. ways to honor somenoe, say i was sorry, make amends and when the moment came I took one look at them and collapsed at their feet sobbing in a heap. Absolutely unable to to get a grip of any sort. I do not think this woman was silently shedding a few measly tears. I think she was bawling her eys out and hyperventalating and truely having a moment of discomposure (is that a real word?) and then she suddenly feels her very tears are unworthy to touch Jesus feet. I mean that is what she brought this perfume for after all. So she begins to wip them with her hair. a sacrifice of her very body. but more than that. I have gotten two general impressions from headcovering moms (correct me if am worng) but it is either a shame to show your hair, strips you of your dignity and position in which case using her hair would have humbled her. It would have been her way of taking a very lowly station. revealing herself for who she was. Or your hair is seen as something glorious you save only for the one you devote your life to. in mariage or not she was devoting herself to him. Perhaps marking herself as taken and sacrificailly giving up marriage in order to be His. either way an absolutely beautiful picture. She needed to be the one who cleand his fet. not some peice of cloth. She became the water to wash and the cloth to dry. she was going to serve him with every fiber of her being. litteraly. And at that point o much for pomp and circumstance. Time to start really worshiping him. She begins kissing his feet and bowing down and kissing some more and really carrying on. at some point she remembers what we came here for. the perfume. She finaly pulls it together and annopits him as King. She had done what she came for. and sat waiting for the ball to drop still unable to stop kissing his feet and carrying on about his greatness.

And I just love this part. The pharasees roll thier eyes and jest. Jesus looks over at Simon who he absolutely loved and says "hey simon, got a great story for ya, wanna hear it?" and Simon says "oh yes, do tell" I can imagine this is something they did often. SOmeone comes along being an idiot and Jesus turns to his buddy and says "hey wanna hear somehting intresting" and Simon laughs knowing whats coming and says "oh you bet" and off they go on one of thier "stories" designed to make a point to those overhearing. My friends and I used to do this a lot. anyway, so on he goes about how much more meanignful this is coming fro her because she is so much more gratful and sweet than the pharasees and the reason she is like this is because she is so forgiven. Because she doesn't have any false rightousness standing between her and true worship.

And then the ending is so beautiful. he proclaims forgivness over her and tells her to go in pease. this was not a woman at peace when she walkd in. she could leave knowing that the God who created the universe declared her a woman of great faith, forgave her everything and she was going to get to leave the building that evening alive (woohoo what a bonus). And because of her great faith and great love and great forgivness and boldness she has been remembered for centuries.

and yet it seems to be getting reduced to lust how sad.

Ok but all that blathering to show why I don't think her act was remotely sexual. Especially in light of the fact that she was aproaching God. I mean really what does one do when they know beyond a shodow of a doubt they are about to stand face to face with GOD. You come undone. that is wat you do.
post #70 of 79
Oh and on mary magdalene - No where does it say this was her who annointed his feet but implies this was a women of weak reputation. MM was known to be a friend of Jesus when this happened and if it had been her I think they would have mentioned it.

I don't see anywhere where it says MaryM was a protitute but that she did have 7 demons cast out of her upon meeting Jesus and she was no doubt grateful and commited to repaying him with every day of her now redeemed life. There is no record in the Bible of what these demons were doing to her.

There is also no connection that I see that Mary of Mary Martha and Lazerus (hehehe it does sound like a band) was MM.

I think peolpe are tending to clump all the ladies together hence the confuaion about who was what kind of sinner. Not that it matters. Jesus loved them all and valued them all. Showed mercy to them all, and forgave them all. healed them all and counted them important in the Kingdom of God.
post #71 of 79
Didn't Jesus also wash his disciples feet to show he had a servants heart and as an example of how we are to serve one another. The woman washing his feet seems to symbolize her willingness to serve God. Just a thought or maybe I'm way off base on this one.
post #72 of 79
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and yet it seems to be getting reduced to lust how sad.
Hardly! Since when is marriange about lust?

And since when is sexual love dirty and not sacred?

This thread is from a couple yrs ago. I have since done much more reading on this subject. The story of Mary Magdalene and her consort Jesus is an ancient one. The two sides of God which come together in the sacred marriage is known as the heiros gamos and was borrowed from other religions. Margaret Starbird in her 3 books on this subject insists that the neglect of female divinity, the scorching of the unbalanced sun god male energy is what is causing us to destroy our planet: disturb its weather system, rape its resources, kill off species, pollute, burn up and drain its lush green areas.

The chopping up and attempt at burial of the true story of the sexual Mary Goddess, her later resurrection as the Virgin Mother, who is denatured and not fully a woman, lilyka's understanding of it all as "just lust," is a symbol of the imbalance in our patriarchal culture.
post #73 of 79
I really don't know if they were married, traditionally, it is thought that they were not...but well...the church has not always been forthcoming with some of the texts.

From the Gospel of Philip

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gop.html

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There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary.

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As for the Wisdom who is called "the barren," she is the mother of the angels. And the companion of the [...] Mary Magdalene. [...] loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her mouth. The rest of the disciples [...]. They said to him "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior answered and said to them,"Why do I not love you like her? When a blind man and one who sees are both together in darkness, they are no different from one another. When the light comes, then he who sees will see the light, and he who is blind will remain in darkness"
The Wisdom is also known as Sophia or the Holy Spirit

The pages this text was taken from is damaged so not all of the words are legible.
post #74 of 79
It's interesting that we have some Christian mamas here insisting that no, the Church does not teach that sex is bad, it's joyful and beautiful and and and ...

But several of them are clearly very uncomfortable with the idea of Christ being involved in a sexual interaction, and one outright says how "sad" it is to "reduce" the interpretation to one of "lust".
post #75 of 79
Well, bearing in mind that as an atheist I approach all of this as mythological story, I much prefer the story of an empowered lover/wife/consort mourning her god lover and engaging in a tender, sensual, intimate act with him ... to yet another story about a weak shameful unworthy woman breaking down completely under patriarchally-inspired "mercy" and "being saved".

Personally.
post #76 of 79
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Originally Posted by girlndocs
Well, bearing in mind that as an atheist I approach all of this as mythological story, I much prefer the story of an empowered lover/wife/consort mourning her god lover and engaging in a tender, sensual, intimate act with him ... to yet another story about a weak shameful unworthy woman breaking down completely under patriarchally-inspired "mercy" and "being saved".

Personally.
Thats now what Jesus was about! Even in a "mythological" standpoint. Read the book and you will find that he was the one who stepped away from the patriarchal society that was fond of breaking down women and making them feel shameful. And yet he is the only one who could save her.
post #77 of 79
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MC that's right. And the gnostic gospels present this theme even more clearly.
post #78 of 79
thought you might find this link interesting.

http://www.sacredconnection.ndo.co.u...itscotland.htm

especially the picture here: http://www.sacredconnection.ndo.co.u...morechurch.htm
post #79 of 79
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That is interesting, V.
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