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post #21 of 33
It really seems to me that it comes down to a fundamental disagreement about the nature of TV. Is it neutral to beneficial? Or is it neutral to dangerous? Is it like cookies, or is it like alcohol? We each get to make a decision about that, and from that decision, any position from total TV-free-dom to total TV-freedom can make complete sense.

For me, it is like alcohol; it is not something to deliberately expose my child to. We just don't have TV in the house, so there's no power struggle over it, just like we don't have chocolate in the house, because I'm allergic to it. In a decade, we can have discussions about personal choices and negotiate over the issue if he really wants access to TV at that point, but for now, I am not denying him anything, only avoiding exposing him to something that, to me, is simply not appropriate for children, or for regular consumption by adults. Others have a fundamentally different view of TV, and thus they make perfectly understandable and reasonable decisions that appear radically different from mine.
post #22 of 33
amen, alexsam
post #23 of 33
Except the difference, Arwyn, is that there is legitimate and mounting research that supports the fact that TV is NOT harmless or "neutral to beneficial". People may believe that it is (or might look for only the "good" in it and convince themselves that there is benefit in it, or somehow decide that the small benefits outweigh the "bad"), but that belief is not really rooted in evidence. I understand the drive to be gentle in regards to those who do turn on the TV, but somehow lending validity to the idea that TV itself neutral or even beneficial is not reinforced by the most current research or even the most conservative large health and education organizations.

There are many, many things that we (collective) did not believe were harmful and have come to find out are (and some we have mourned their "loss" because they felt good ). It is not a judgement on the people that did them- people just didn't know. Sunbathing, for one. We used to throw everything away, now we recycle. When I was a kid, seatbelts were like a foreign idea. Doctors told women formula was better than breastmilk and to put babies to sleep on their tummies. For goodness sakes- only recently have people really been able to PROVE that smoking causes cancer. Even recently, things we (moms here including myself) have probably done because we (collective as all people) just didn't know- how many of us have given babies or small children cold medicine thinking we are helping a stuffy little one breathe easier? Now we come to find out that not only that it doesn't work, but that it may be harmful or even dangerous and now is not advised at all.

HOW bad is TV? We don't know. And the effects are hard to see and there are certainly lots of people who don't seem to be effected at all. But that doesn't mean its NOT bad. Those that hold that TV is good or at least neutral are either ignoring (or are innocently ignorant to) mounting evidence to the contrary for personal reasons or have decided the marginal benefits are more important than the big picture.

I guess what I've taken this long to say is- call a spade a spade. If we turn on the TV, we should aknowledge that we are endulging in something that is not an entirely neutral or healthy choice and we should be prepared by knowing what we can and making choices based on that. If we turn on the TV, we should know what kind of choice we are making and decide accordingly and not sugar coat it. It's OK to enjoy "naughty" things once in a while. But I don't tell myself its something its not.
post #24 of 33
My house is not TV free, so take this FWIW. I watch TV news for 15 min or so in the morning while I get ready. I watch LOST. Other than that, I very rarely turn the TV on when I'm the only one home. DD sometimes watches DVDs (currently she's into How The Grinch Stole Christmas (the cartoon version) but usually she's a Sesame Street girl). She almost never watches real TV, and when she does, it's PBS. We don't have cable and neither one of us is bothered by a TV that's turned off.

I don't really think that TV is particularily beneficial but I see it as a fun treat. It's not a replacement for building fairy houses or cooking pretend birthday dinners and she'd be fine without it. But an occasional 45 minutes of Sesame Street? We could make much "naughtier" choices, IMO.
post #25 of 33
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But an occasional 45 minutes of Sesame Street? We could make much "naughtier" choices, IMO.
True... but what happens when it's not Sesame Street anymore? What happens when it's Hannah Montana. Or the kids down the street are talking about the Bratz movies?

I'm not picking on you () I'm noting a trend... I think we feel "OK" with the pre-school shows. They are cute, not total drivel, we ourselves have fond memories of them, nothing objectionable in them, and pre-schoolers are still young and flexible and manageable enough to be OK when the TV goes off to find other ways of entertaining themselves... So we begin a pattern of TV (or, at least we are saying to ourselves "This isn't so bad!"). Then, before we know it, the shows have changed. The kids are less tolerant of "TV rules". We've come to accept the TV's presence and so we maybe let it stay on longer, more often. Soon Sesame Street will be out of favor. What happens next?

In short, to me it seems like a slippery slope...
post #26 of 33
We are very new to the TV-free lifestyle, so take this FWIW. I don't think it needs to be all or nothing, but I do believe very strongly that the only purpose of a television show is to get you to watch more television! And it is all about the ad dollars, not just for commercials, but product placement, and the characters themselves. If a young child is in the habit of "only" watching a couple of PBS shows, they will quickly become older children that think those shows are too "baby" for them and will move on to bigger, and more aggressive things. I've seen this happen with my 8yr-old-"why don't we watch spongebob? I'm too big for curious george!" I wasn't ready for that, so we pulled the plug (on cable), and then our antenna "broke".
post #27 of 33
Until my dd1 turned 5, we were completely TV free when the kids were awake. I will confess to a DVD with DP here and there in the evenings, but we have been without channels of any kind for more than a decade now. I saw no need to introduce television watching to my girls for the same reasons that are posted above.

However, at age 5, my eldest asked if she could see a movie every now and then. Being unschoolers, I didn't immediately say no, but I asked her how she thought we should work it out: how can we enjoy movies without spending too much time watching? She said that she is always tired after swimming (we hit the pool once a week) and that it seemed like a good time to watch a movie. So, we gave it a month's trial to see if we could keep viewing under control. A year later, this is still our pattern.

For us, this works well. The girls are able to see some good films, to see watching as a treat, and to keep it very limited. YMMV.
post #28 of 33
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Originally Posted by alexsam View Post
True... but what happens when it's not Sesame Street anymore? What happens when it's Hannah Montana. Or the kids down the street are talking about the Bratz movies?
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In short, to me it seems like a slippery slope...
Great question, and it's one I've asked myself. But then I remember that I'm nursing and co-sleeping with a two year old and I have no fears of having to move into her dorm when she does off to college. That's because I have confidence that I'll be able to adapt as a mom as she grows as a child. Our lives and our (limited) TV viewing will certainly be different when she's, say, six years old or twelve years old. But that doesn't mean I won't continue to monitor her activities and her TV viewing and guide her through life as I do now.

Anna will almost certainly be exposed to Hannah Montana since her father doesn't agree with my TV stance. So I'll be forced to use HM (or whoever the cool preteen idol is in a few years) as a teaching tool. It's not ideal on the surface but after a lot of reflection, I'm actually grateful for the opportunity to get to do round one of "damage control" on something so benign as a mildly-objectionable pre-teen pop star. I don't intend to vilify HM but I do plan to use her (and especially the extreme commercialism of her "brand") to teach my daughter some important lessons.

Now I'm not suggesting that you marry, have a kid, and then divorce a mostly decent guy just for the opportunity to teach the same lesson. My point is that even in the absolute perfect child-rearing scenario, at some point your child will become an adult and will be able to make choices for himself re: TV viewing and everything else. And I'm sure that you're confident that the foundation you're laying by implementing a TV-free home will enable your grown children to continue to make responsible choices. But, just the same, I'm similarly confident that my daughter will also view TV for what it is by the time she's grown. Two different approaches that will (hopefully) lead to two similar, excellent end results.
post #29 of 33
Hey everyone, just thought I'd throw in that I grew up t.v. free for about 4 years as a child. When my parents did finally get a t.v. again when I was 15 we lived way out in the middle of nowhere and didn't have an antenna or anything so all we watched on the thing was movies on a VCR. It was difficult for my parents to get us off the "sauce", they bribed us with a dollar a day for the first month they took it away. Saying if we could make it a month we would have $30 (huge amount to an 11 y.o. in the 80s) and just never gave the T.V. back. The upside of all of it was that by the time I was in 8th grade I was reading college level books, I had a far broader vocabulary than most kids my age and I was excelling in most other subjects in school. I am not T.V. free currently, I have gone back and forth with it all my adult life. I find when I am T.V. free, I read more, ride my bike more, hike more, think clearer, have less mood swings, feel less stressed I could go on and on about it. Finally I really just don't feel that attached to it, I can do with or without and even though I own a T.V. now I can leave the thing off for days and not miss it at all.
post #30 of 33
We are not TV free, we are more tv lite. We lead a very active life, so books that we can take on the go are a big part of our entertainment. TV for us is more of the icing on the cake. We do get netflix, and we get a couple of local channels. So we do watch a few movies a week and a ball game on the weekends. I enjoy watching the evening news as well. For us TV in this amount works. When we had cable I swear it was like one giant infommercial. I really dont miss it. So for us being cable free is more important than being TV free.
post #31 of 33
I really, honestly, do feel that the vast majority of what is on TV is mindless drivel or complete trash. So I think it's better for my family to be on the "nothing" side.

It's kind of the way I feel about Cosmo magazine. Sure, there might be a decent article in it, now and then. But that doesn't mean I'm going to subscribe to it.
post #32 of 33
We haven't had a TV signal in 20 years, but have a small TV and watch videos or DVDs. We go through phases where the kids watch a lot of DVDs- like two or three a week, and then none for awhile. They didn't see any TV as toddlers.
post #33 of 33
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Originally Posted by Arwyn View Post
I think TV is a whole lot like alcohol. Best for older people (I would really strongly caution against TV for under-2), potentially beneficial in small or moderate amounts, arguably bad for a society as a whole, impossible to prohibit for all, and highly addictive for those of us vulnerable to it.
Love this.

TV is a tyrant. Look at how we're obsessed with it. How did we manage without for all of human history till 60 years ago? Look at how we regularly compare it to an addiction. Look at how we have to struggle mightily to manage it reasonably. Look at how MDC has created a whole tribe for people who have proudly gone tv-free. Look at how we agonize about it and discuss it endlessly. It shouldn't be that big a deal. It isn't a big deal for a very few people. I think if you have talk about it all the time with your kids about how they feel about it and about making good choices and so on, then it IS a big deal. There's no kidding yourself, tv is huge and has forever changed humans all over the freakin' world.
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