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post #21 of 37
9/28/08 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by stayo22 View Post
So last night on our local news there was story how a middle school suspended children who weren't up to date on vax's! I'm not even sure that is legal???!!! They said it was due to many children not having DTAP and an outbreak of the whooping cough. If you had religious exemption - would it not be illegal for them to suspend you?
No, it is legal. The law where I'm at says that if a VPD breaks out, then you will be asked to keep your unvaxed child home. It's supposedly to keep your child safe. I think they suspended them to keep them home, but that's pretty strong verbage, and the wrong way to put it, imo.

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post #22 of 37
10/4/08 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by Panthira View Post
No, it is legal. The law where I'm at says that if a VPD breaks out, then you will be asked to keep your unvaxed child home. It's supposedly to keep your child safe. I think they suspended them to keep them home, but that's pretty strong verbage, and the wrong way to put it, imo.
No, it's not the same. A child may be "excluded" during an outbreak (which the law allows), but a suspension is a punitive action, which is not part of the law.
post #23 of 37
10/4/08 at 3:20pm
They'd have to catch us first.
post #24 of 37
10/4/08 at 10:18pm
I read on Dr. Mercola's site, that the waivers are there to cover the Gov't. butt.
if they werent there and a kid had a reaction, they would be 100% liable, but b/c we have waivers they can say, "well, if you thought it might be dangerous you should have opted out"
post #25 of 37
10/6/08 at 2:08am
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Originally Posted by 3lilpunkins View Post
I read on Dr. Mercola's site, that the waivers are there to cover the Gov't. butt.
if they werent there and a kid had a reaction, they would be 100% liable, but b/c we have waivers they can say, "well, if you thought it might be dangerous you should have opted out"

We don't have a religious or philosphical exemption option (MS.) Why isn't the MS gov't worried about liability?
post #26 of 37
10/6/08 at 2:42am
i think it's entirely possible. But I would do anything in my power to NOT vaccinate as it's against my ethical and religious beliefs. I've been thinking about this too. I hold other religious beliefs the government disagrees with... oh well.
post #27 of 37
10/13/08 at 12:24am
Don't know how much stock you all take in astrology . . . but in my (admittedly limited) reading about the times we are in, there is the belief that in the U.S. there will be an atmosphere of conformity where everything and everyone who doesn't conform will basically have a hell of a time. I wonder about that. Because, truly, if it came down to it and I couldn't send my kids to school because they are not vaxed, I'd figure out how I could homeschool. But it they tried to take my kids away or put me in jail for not vax-ing . . . I can't say I'd be so "rebellious" as to take that risk. I mean, how do you choose between two (awful) risks (imprisonment/having your kids removed and vaccination)?
post #28 of 37
10/13/08 at 9:29am
I have no doubt that, not only can they do this, machinations are in place to make it very easy. If you study the history of social legislation in the US, it becomes quite clear that what we think of as our inalienable rights are things the government views as privileges that it grants at its convenience. Subconsciously, most people accept this. They accept the abrogation of our labor (income tax), our property (property tax), our kids (compulsive attendance, CPS), our health (compulsive vaccination), etc. The latter two are still subject to exemptions, which makes the mandate the default.
post #29 of 37
10/13/08 at 9:36pm
Yeah, they could...really, think of the Patriot Act and all the legislation regarding bio-terriosim. I can't figure there would be much of a fight among congress if they wanted to tack on a 'mass vaccination' mandate to 'protect' us from OBL or whatever.

In Iowa I'm required to submit exemption before homeschooling, if it ever came to forced vaccinations I dunno what we'd do...flee the country maybe? Live off the grid in Mexico.

Although, I don't know how much of a fight I'd put up if they said "We are taking your children. You will vaccinate or never see them again." I can't say I'd allow my children to spend one second in state custody if it was within my power to stop it. And I know darn well DH would have them vaccinated no matter what I said if it came to that...
post #30 of 37
10/14/08 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by JamesMama View Post
Although, I don't know how much of a fight I'd put up if they said "We are taking your children. You will vaccinate or never see them again." I can't say I'd allow my children to spend one second in state custody if it was within my power to stop it. And I know darn well DH would have them vaccinated no matter what I said if it came to that...
My MIL and several of her siblings were taken fifty years ago in Arkansas for not vaccinating. There was a long and ugly court case, and it turned out that some of the children WERE vaccinated by the court. Their father (my dh's grandfather) said that if they were vaccinated, it wasn't at his hands and that was the battle. Now, in this day and age, I don't know that I'd trust any sort of foster care...even to put the onus of the government rather than myself.
post #31 of 37
10/14/08 at 5:08pm

suspension from school.

Are you talking about NC? If you are, then yes, they DID suspend hundreds of kids, would not allow them to come back to school without the proof saying they were vaxed. The thing was, almost all of these kids did NOT have religious exemption. The parents didn't get them up to date in time to return to school for Fall.
I just so happened to have a check up for DD the day of the deadline. You should have seen the drs office. It was jam packed with kids getting their shots!!! Broke my heart!
I secretly wanted to go around to all the moms and tell them about their options...but, ya know.
Also, for homeschooling here, we have to either have a vax record or the exemption on file in case anyone from the NCDNPE every decides to check on us
post #32 of 37
10/17/08 at 4:18pm
"So last night on our local news there was story how a middle school suspended children who weren't up to date on vax's! I'm not even sure that is legal???!!! They said it was due to many children not having DTAP and an outbreak of the whooping cough. If you had religious exemption - would it not be illegal for them to suspend you?"



Not sure where you are but in my state if you have a religious exemption on file, if there is an outbreak of a "VPD" such as WC, then they can keep your unvaccinated kid out of school until the "outbreak" is over. They can't however force vaccination on your child.
post #33 of 37
10/17/08 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by paquerette View Post
On the homeschooling thing, do any other states besides PA require an exemption for homeschooling as well? Or are we just special here? :
Are you joking? Some states require exemptions for homeschooling or be up to date on vaxes?? What sense does that make? That is about the dumbest thing Ive ever heard!!
post #34 of 37
10/17/08 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post
Are you joking? Some states require exemptions for homeschooling or be up to date on vaxes?? What sense does that make? That is about the dumbest thing Ive ever heard!!
[tinfoil hat on] They do that on purpose just to get back at all the homeschoolers who are homeschooling mainly for the non-vaccination issue. [tinfoil hat off]
post #35 of 37
10/18/08 at 5:46pm
This very much scares me too! I can definitly see it happening. I just hope ds is older. My mom and i have that discussion too, that if they say they are going to take your child if you don't vax, what will you do? I have to say i am very very much against vaxing but i could not bear my child being taken away. and they would just vax him anyway. but i'm with others about just making a break for mexico (of course how long till it's mandatedt there as well) or heading for the woods. but ya know, winters coming! hopefully the world can wait to unravel till spring!
post #36 of 37
10/18/08 at 6:02pm
If a vaccine against AIDS will be manufactored there will sure be forced vaccinations without question.
post #37 of 37
10/18/08 at 6:19pm
I dont' understand how they could take religious exemption away - our country was founded on our freedom, and on religion, so this makes me curious.

Also, how would 'they' make religious exemption hard to come by? How DO you single out those who are using it just as an exemption and those who truley believe in it?
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