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post #1 of 21
9/11/08 at 9:17am
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Did anyone see NBC's vaccine segment this morning?

I particularly liked the Pediatrician who said that she wouldn't see unvaccinated children "I just can't risk being responsible for a child getting polio." Um, because that's just happening every day in the US.

And the mom whose vaccinated child contracted pertussis from an unvaccinated child. Why be mad at the unvaccinated child? I'd be pissed off that I vaccinated my child and the vaccine didn't work...

Basically, it was all scaremongering and no information whatsoever. I guess I don't know why I expected better though...
post #2 of 21
9/11/08 at 11:33am
The video segment is online:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21839940 and click on Measles outbreak worries doctors

Dr. Snyderman totally tows the party line when it comes to vaxes. Near the beginning of the segment, it mentions something about '....not getting through to parents'. How condescending!

Dr. Jane Seward from the CDC, I believe she quoted recently that thimerosal was completely removed in 2001. So they have higher-up spokespersons who can't even get their facts straight and it's really sad that the general public buys all of it.

At least they had a parent on who said she thought the risk of the vaccine were greater than the disease itself. Too bad they won't elaborate more on that. Instead, they go on and on about getting the flu shot.
post #3 of 21
9/11/08 at 11:52am
And the mom whose vaccinated child contracted pertussis from an unvaccinated child. Why be mad at the unvaccinated child? I'd be pissed off that I vaccinated my child and the vaccine didn't work...

EXACTLY!
post #4 of 21
9/11/08 at 12:22pm
Oh for the love of...

136 cases...out of a population of roughly 300 MILLION? anyone care to do the math there...

And WTF? Autism and Allergies? Allergies? Seriously?
post #5 of 21
9/11/08 at 12:34pm
I'm not so sure the general public is buying it (as much) anymore, or else they wouldn't feel the need to do all these scare tatic stories.


I loved the part about polio, and yeah if my vaxed kid gets pertussis from an unvaxed kid I'm going to be pi$$ed that I injected them and they got it anyway.
post #6 of 21
9/11/08 at 1:15pm


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And the mom whose vaccinated child contracted pertussis from an unvaccinated child. Why be mad at the unvaccinated child? I'd be pissed off that I vaccinated my child and the vaccine didn't work...
Funny how that goes unnoticed.
post #7 of 21
9/11/08 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by akwifeandmomma View Post




Funny how that goes unnoticed.
And since vaccination with pertussis vax doesn't prevent transmission, how many people did that sick vaxed baby expose?

Round and round this insane merry go round we go.
post #8 of 21
9/11/08 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by JamesMama View Post
Oh for the love of...

136 cases...out of a population of roughly 300 MILLION? anyone care to do the math there...

And WTF? Autism and Allergies? Allergies? Seriously?
What did they say about vaccination and allergies?
post #9 of 21
9/11/08 at 2:53pm
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They said that parents are skipping vaccines out of "fear of autism and allergies". As though those are our only two concerns...
post #10 of 21
9/11/08 at 2:56pm
The fact that there is SO much money being funneled into scaremongering programming like this just reinforces my recent decision not to vaccinate our son. Why are they being so pushy if vaccines are the miracle drugs they claim? Shouldn't the results sell themselves?
post #11 of 21
9/11/08 at 3:12pm
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They said that parents are skipping vaccines out of "fear of autism and allergies". As though those are our only two concerns...
Hey, at least they've added something to autism!

I do want to say, as a mom to a severely food allergic (but unvaxed) child, that I do think the link between allergies and vaccine/environmental toxins really needs to be studied.
post #12 of 21
9/11/08 at 3:56pm
I was just going to log on to rant about that segment. It was beyond nauseating. That ped totally pissed me off. Especially b/c she used polio as an example...I thought that there hasn't been a wt case of polio in the Western Hem for like 30 years...despite the fact that "foreiners" aren't always vaccinated. The only cases of polio have been from the oral vax. Hmmm...wonder how she'd look that child in the face that got polio from a vax. Grrr. Got to love a physician who respects informed consent.

I get so tired of the f'ing autism argument. Yes, I do believe that vax can be a major factor in developing autism...but that's not the only freakin reason ppl choose not to vax. Sheesh, can't these ppl credit us w/ a little bit of intelligence. All the non vax'ers I personally know have done far, far more research and agonized about their decision far more than all the vax'ers I know. So often, vax'ing is done just b/c that's the routine at the ped's office and "everybody" does it and won't they die of some horrible, crippling disease if they don't get vaxed? Ugh. Some vax'ers do research, of course...but I have to wonder where they get their research...only from the pharma companies and doc w/ a vested interest.

I was also annoyed at the whole "before the vax, millions were affected by the disease and hundred a year died." Hmm...they never get around to admitting that even nonvax preventable diseases have also declined at the same fricken rate and that the decline began waaaaay before the vax was introduced. And I wonder how many kids and adults now suffer chronic autoimmune disorders and cancers, not to mention autism and allergies. Perhaps we'll never definitively tie vax to major health issues b/c the effects are too subtle and far reaching for the current methods of research to detect...then again we may find out in a few decades that the pharm comapanies have known for decades that vax cause health problems and have covered it up like big tobacco.
post #13 of 21
9/11/08 at 4:03pm
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They said that parents are skipping vaccines out of "fear of autism and allergies". As though those are our only two concerns...
Looks like the letter posted at our ped's office the other day, "it has come to our attention that more and more families are choosing to not vaccinate their children after much media attention has focused on autism being caused by vaccines". "Current research does not support this theory.Choosing to not have your children immunized puts them at risk of death. Immunization is probably the most important health measure we promote". yada yada,yada.
post #14 of 21
9/11/08 at 5:06pm
I was just at the Kaiser doctor the other day and they had a flyer up about vaccinating your child for measles because of the epidemics. HA!
post #15 of 21
9/11/08 at 5:34pm
Really if you look at it... the media and fear is pretty much all they have going for them! I felt like looking into the CDC website, the tests done, and studies shown etc. etc. caused more damage to more people than contracting the actual disease. So all it takes is someone doing their homework and getting over fear that comes to the dec. to not vax. Truth spreads like wildfire... It was a simple answer for me, once I got over the what ifs?

Numbers of parents not vaccinating, and word spreading must be scaring the vaccination industry, or we wouldn't be seeing all this fear mongering to keep vaccinating, and a blame on a small percentage of parents who don't vaccinate. I think they are afraid of people waking up, and losing money, not on measles breaking out or other disease because of unvaccinated people. Money money money... greed greed greed, and they are afraid!

In a way, this makes me feel like now is the moment that is the most important as far as talking to people and opening the eyes of friends around you by asking them questions. No debates, just ask a simple question that will make that person start looking, and go from there. I am more passionate because I found stuff out for myself.

So what is the best way to get friends and family looking?
post #16 of 21
9/12/08 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by NYCVeg View Post
Hey, at least they've added something to autism!

I do want to say, as a mom to a severely food allergic (but unvaxed) child, that I do think the link between allergies and vaccine/environmental toxins really needs to be studied.
Well, Dr Sears says that you should reconsider the Measles vax if your family has a history of autoimmune disease, and allergies are an autoimmune disease. I have Celiac Disease and my ped sent me to a ped. immunologist before she would do the measles vax (though we didn't go, didn't do the shot, it just shows that there IS that link somewhere though i have yet to find it).


So that seems to feed into what you're saying here.
post #17 of 21
9/12/08 at 1:00pm
I didn't see this piece but last week on my local news they had some Dr. say something along the lines of "We are starting to get there but still have a lot of work to do, and a lot of educating to do". That just irritated the heck out of me. I feel very well educated on this manner thank you very much.
post #18 of 21
9/13/08 at 8:12pm
And who did they say infected the unvaccinated child?

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Originally Posted by MommytoHHH View Post
Did anyone see NBC's vaccine segment this morning?

I particularly liked the Pediatrician who said that she wouldn't see unvaccinated children "I just can't risk being responsible for a child getting polio." Um, because that's just happening every day in the US.

And the mom whose vaccinated child contracted pertussis from an unvaccinated child. Why be mad at the unvaccinated child? I'd be pissed off that I vaccinated my child and the vaccine didn't work...

Basically, it was all scaremongering and no information whatsoever. I guess I don't know why I expected better though...
post #19 of 21
9/13/08 at 8:18pm
They need to wake up to the fact that every single time they put out a story like this, of an outraged mom of a vaccinated child who had contracted the disease, it actually reduces the confidence that the public has in vaccines and their efficacy.
post #20 of 21
9/14/08 at 7:22am
I e-mailed her.
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