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post #1 of 16
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My daughter is nearly 3. My dh has pressured me to put her in a part time preschool (Waldorf) to help her separate from me and "give me time" to do other things. By which he means work (I do freelance but have a hard time working with dd awake--which is almost all the time!).

I succumbed. Its been 2 days and I don't like it at all. I am an AP mom--so I don't think she needs to separate from me at this point, but that's another issue but will be part of the argument I will encounter when its time to talk about school in earnest. That it is a weakness for my dd to be too connected to me.

Anyway, I've read Dumbing Us Down by John Taylor Gatto, and have many of my own stories about school. So, I am convinced about homeschooling/unschooling. But, how do I begin the long and arduous uphill both ways journey in making this a reality with the firm disagreement of dh? Getting him to read a book about it is not likely, so I'll have to build my case for a verbal argument. I'm not good at that, so any suggestions on how to lay the foundation over time would be useful.

BTW he's against, because its different. He is from a conservative traditional background with 2 aunts and many close friends who are lifelong educators, and committed to "the system."

Does anyone have any experience with a dh who never got on board?

Is anyone able to home school and also work or have a home-based business?
post #2 of 16
My DH and I both work from home and homeschool. Our children have attended preschool and school outside the home at times, although for the most part we have homeschooled over the years. Hopefully my children will not set foot in another school again, but I never say never because I don't know what circumstances might arise.

Homeschooling and running a business from home can be tough but over time you tend to get in to a routine and find what times of the day are best to do school and what times are not. I like the flexibility. My job consists mainly of answering the telephone so the kids have to be quiet and now that they are all old enough to understand that I can easily sit on the phone and talk while a child is right beside me doing an assignment. So it really depends on the type of work you will be doing.

I would suggest finding as many books and materials about the pros of HS that you can and share those with your DH. Thankfully, my DH has always been on board with HS and anytime our kids have attended a school outside the home it was due to situations going on in our family life that warranted the need to put them in a school. My DH and I always agreed on it. However, I'm always able to make the final decision regarding HS since I'm the one that is doing the majority of it.
post #3 of 16
Hugs.

It seems to me that convincing DH's is a constant struggle around here.

I too, had the same problem. We fought, we cried, we (I think) even hated eachother for a few days. But, then I learned that the whole 'going to school' mentality is so engrained in our psychy that it is really hard to convince someone otherwise. So, it took a year but I slowly started to educate my hubby in a non-confrontational manner whenever the opportunity arose. Was it sneaky and under-handed? Maybe. But I also realize that most husbands aren't really opposing the notion but rather don't understand it or fear it. And we all know that most fear is based on a lack of knowledge.

Hang in there. If you do it right you can bring him around. Just remember that he has view and opinions too and forcing him to accept anything contrary will only work against you. Be gentle and patient.
post #4 of 16
Are you a lifelong learner? I know I am. I am reading, studying and picking up bits and pieces of information all the time. I enjoy learning and don't omagine I will ever stop. If we only learn while in an institution or organized activity, then I suppose I can agree with your husband that children should go to school to learn. We know this is not true, in fact there was an article in my local paper discussing how colleges are finding that because homeschooled children are a higher % than in the past, that the college has needed to make course changes/requirements to meet these young peoples needs, because they have higher expectations.

it's hard to let go. its hard to do things that are different.
post #5 of 16
Sounds like you've got a few different disagreements going on. As you stated, it's not just the school thing it's also the separation. But you've also got your DH thinking you need to spend more time working. It seems to me that your DH has it all planned out and now wants you to follow his plan. A lot of DHs do this, so I'm not saying your DH is the biggest control freak and to run far away or anything, but it does help to see this stuff for what it is and to know that he doesn't get to decide everything.

I got a fair amount of pressure (though not from DH) when my DS was tiny to put him in some type of daycare so he could get used to being away from me.
Then the summer he turned 3 he was "supposed" to start school (this was in France where just about every kid goes off to the local school at this age) DH joined in the pressure.

I think his family really started worrying him about it. They used DS' speech as a reason that he needed to go to school so he could speak better. I thought just the opposite--that his difficulty communicating was a reason to keep him home as he wouldn't have been able to tell me if something bad happened.

It was during this period that things were really tough. There was a lot of tension in our marriage, though we had some other issues too and were working through those so it was a rough time but we did get a lot of things out in the open and are better for it.

DS did not enter school and for awhile we still had occasional disagreements about it but by the time he was 4 my DH started to come around a little. By the time he was 5 he was pretty much on board. He also comes from a family who is very socialist leaning, believes in the "schools of the Republique", his mom and sister both have Ph.Ds (though his sister & her husband are business owners that have nothing to do with her ph.d), he was always pushed hard to excel in school and did. It took him time but now he sees that in today's world, the school model is far from ideal.
post #6 of 16
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We know this is not true, in fact there was an article in my local paper discussing how colleges are finding that because homeschooled children are a higher % than in the past, that the college has needed to make course changes/requirements to meet these young peoples needs, because they have higher expectations.
Cool! Do you mind giving the name of the paper? I'd love to read that article.
post #7 of 16
I would tell him that a huge percentage of the pioneer homeschoolers were public school teachers. They weren't happy with the system, and felt they could do better for their kids. It's not a betrayal of education to homeschool, it is embracing education for your children, and sometimes making sacrifices to do what you believe is best for their academic and moral education!
But I'm biased; I was homeschooled K-12 and very thankful that's the choice my parents (both teachers) made. Good luck.
post #8 of 16
I am 95% there with my DH

I went to the state dept of Ed website adn got all the stats for our local district (we are rural) and the 2 districts we could realistically transport to.

I figured up how much time and gas a wee / a month I'd spend transporting to the best district of the 3 (the fartherst away it truned out)

hard cold numbers

Aimee
post #9 of 16
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I too, had the same problem. We fought, we cried, we (I think) even hated eachother for a few days. But, then I learned that the whole 'going to school' mentality is so engrained in our psychy that it is really hard to convince someone otherwise. So, it took a year but I slowly started to educate my hubby in a non-confrontational manner whenever the opportunity arose. Was it sneaky and under-handed? Maybe. But I also realize that most husbands aren't really opposing the notion but rather don't understand it or fear it. And we all know that most fear is based on a lack of knowledge.
Ditto everything melissabb said. My dh and I had one of our worst fights ever because of my nagging (i.e., mentioning one time that I'd like to talk about it) about hs'ing. Mama bear kicked in and I stood my ground and told him he didn't need to agree with me (right away) but he did need to be open enough to hear/read what I wanted to share. My dh was also from a very traditional frame of mind, and his mother is/was a lifelong public school k teacher, who suprised us both by agreeing hs'ing was the best for our family.

What helped my dh come around (once I was 'allowed' to talk about hs'ing ) was to very slowly come to understand exactly what he was afraid of, and then present small bits of evidence to counter that fear. So, when he said "what about socialization" as they all do, I asked what he meant, and had him describe in detail what he thought ds would get in school and what might happen without that...then I sent him online articles (a couple a week, not all at once), providing 'evidience about the bad at school and the good in hs'ing. He never once read a book about hs'ing, but did at least skim articles enough to get the gist of things.

I think the clincher for convincing him was he mentioned hs'ing at work, and it so happened that one of his colleages, who seems very normal and my dh respects, said that they homeschool. That did a lot to shatter my dh's stereotypical image of hs'ers as weird in either a religious cult way or a hippie goat farmer way; he saw that you could be somewhere in the middle and be a homeschooler and come off as 'normal' (that was very important to him; I like being weird )
post #10 of 16
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I think the clincher for convincing him was he mentioned hs'ing at work, and it so happened that one of his colleages, who seems very normal and my dh respects, said that they homeschool. That did a lot to shatter my dh's stereotypical image of hs'ers as weird in either a religious cult way or a hippie goat farmer way; he saw that you could be somewhere in the middle and be a homeschooler and come off as 'normal' (that was very important to him; I like being weird )
Ha ha ha - you made me laught this morning, especially about liking being weird!! Me too - its one of my goals in life - I want to die a happy eccentric!

It helped so much when my dh found out that his STOCKBROKER was hsing their daughter!!!

Janice
post #11 of 16
Here's a thread that leads to lots of others where these issues have been discussed - lots of stories, book and article suggestions, tips, etc.
How to teach dh about homeschooling

It seems that the biggest issue with your husband might be the one of getting you back on track in your work - and I suppose he also feels that going to school is your daughter's work. A place for everything, and everything in it's place ... But if he can gradually start to get a picture of how beneficial homeschooling can be in the big long term picture of all your lives, he might begin to shift priorities until it makes more sense to him at some point. Can't happen overnight, obviously - but you never know.

Meanwhile, here are some articles on the preschool/kindergarten years that may help.

And here's some good reading about homeschooling and college concerns, although that doesn't seem to be the main issue here...

Lillian
post #12 of 16
I have been working on DH for a while.

The test scores of the local schools helps

the gas money and time to transoprt helps

one thing also -- i have gotten a TON of homeschool catologes and chosen ones i like -- no my son is not even 3 yet -- and shown them to him ... so DH can see they are complete and they are "real".

I have put together a loose plan / time line ... starting wtih PK3 for Dh to see ... really is is stuff we just do (morning devoitonal, DEAR time, lib group ....) but I structure it and tag it (reading, faith, etc) with core subject titles so that Dh can see how much "education" the boys alrady get....and my loose plan / time line shows where i want to go (adding Theo's own dveotional, doing more art with letters, and so on) again tagged as core subjects DH can relate to.

My loose plan goes up to Kindergarden -- and I have a area of notes on things i want to add in gradeschool and "as age / dev level approptie" such as studying art by learning the Masters and tieing in reading / Lit by reading about the Master we are studying in art and tieing in Histopry to look at that historal tiem period and how that effects their life and art ....or teaching music theory and also the lives of great composers (again tieing in reading / lit and history). THAT is the kind of stuff that "hits the right buttons" for DH -- and I spell it out (the reading / history tie and so on) so it is "in his face" and clear.

I think DH does want to be supportive -- he needs the inorfmation to allow him to be, and permission to be. he knows him mom and his brother (and high school teacher at teh school DH went to) will give him grief -- he is looking to me for the ammo to fight them (just like when we chose a family bed, or nursed past 1).

I find, and this is me and my DH, spelling it out, making a hard (kinda ) plan and putting it in writting really helped DH.

A
post #13 of 16
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Thank you for all your great suggestions

All your observations have been astute. Thank you. Its nice to have resonance. I'm sure I'll have more to ask as pot begins to boil around here.
post #14 of 16
I forgot to address the work at home & homeschool issue. When I started hs'ing I didn't have a job, but added a WAH job over this past summer; it's work I can do at any hour of the day, so I find I can get a few hours in each night when I need to; so if I have a project due that takes 10-12 hours, I plan to spend ~3 hours a night and a few minutes here and there thoughout each day (when the kids are playing on their own.) I don't work more than ~12 hours a week right now, but feel I could increase if needed. I does take dh being on board though, to pitch in more with the kids at bedtime, and not be whining about me working instead of watching tv with him.
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...It does take dh being on board though, to pitch in more...
Ah, yes.
post #16 of 16
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Lillian, Great links here. Thank you.
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