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post #41 of 52
9/22/08 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by anewmama View Post
No, you show me the proof they don't work.

You made that statement as if you have proof. Please provide it.

Otherwise, stop spreading mis-information.
It seems to me that people have already done that for you, right in this very thread. I assumed you'd read it. For reference:

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...73&postcount=2
http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...4&postcount=12
http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...9&postcount=26

All three of those posts reference peer-reviewed studies and the final post is direct from the CDC. What else do you need?
post #42 of 52
9/22/08 at 2:05pm
Thread Starter 
Not one of those references state or draw the conclusion that the pertussis vaccine has a 100% failure rate.

This is just pertussis.

So where is the rest of your evidence that ALL vaccines don't work?
post #43 of 52
9/22/08 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by anewmama View Post
Not one of those references state or draw the conclusion that the pertussis vaccine has a 100% failure rate.

This is just pertussis.

So where is the rest of your evidence that ALL vaccines don't work?
I never said ALL vaccines don't work ALL of the time. You seem to be pulling this statement out of your hat.

If something is effective 1% of the time, and ineffective the other 99% of the time, would you say it works? If your answer is yes, then you are coming from a far more literal place than I and the source of our misunderstanding is revealed. If your answer is no, then maybe you see where I'm coming from.

Most people, in my experience, would answer no to that question.
post #44 of 52
9/22/08 at 2:13pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by peainthepod View Post
Except most of those statements are true. Vaccines don't work, .
This is what you said. You even italicized it. So I have no more to say on this issue. You say they don't work. I say that some do to some extent.

Let's leave it at that.
post #45 of 52
9/22/08 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by anewmama View Post
This is what you said. You even italicized it. So I have no more to say on this issue. You say they don't work. I say that some do to some extent.

Let's leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by peainthepod View Post
Vaccines don't work,
v.

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ALL vaccines don't work ALL of the time.
You added the "all", actually. But sure...
post #46 of 52
9/22/08 at 3:04pm
Thread Starter 
"Vaccines don't work" is inclusive of all vaccines. You had no qualifier to "vaccines" such as "some", "many", "a few", "alot", etc.

If you want to try to wiggle out of that, sure, go ahead.
post #47 of 52
9/22/08 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by anewmama View Post
"Vaccines don't work" is inclusive of all vaccines. You had no qualifier to "vaccines" such as "some", "many", "a few", "alot", etc.

If you want to try to wiggle out of that, sure, go ahead.
You're attempting to get me to defend a statement I didn't make and don't believe. I'm not biting.

Besides, I thought you wanted to leave it at that?
post #48 of 52
9/22/08 at 4:33pm
Thread Starter 
You in fact did make that statement, that vaccines don't work then you challenged me to prove they work but other than a few links to someone else's information about pertussis, you have provided no information to back your statement that they don't work.

You are right, I will leave it at this. It's just not worth it to argue over this point, not when it's clear as day to me that you in fact did say that vaccines don't work. It's written in the previous page.

If you had clarified it to say that you meant to say that some of them sort of work some of the time, or something to that degree, then I would have backed down.

But by point blank saying they don't work is spreading mis-information.

Which sort of brings the discussion back to how it got off on this tangent. That some treatments for illness or preventions work some of the time for some people and nothing is cut and dry. SA sometimes works for some kids. CLA sometimes works for some kids. vaccines work for some kids. sometimes they are effective.

Should doctors be forcing them on kids? that's a whole other topic.
post #49 of 52
9/22/08 at 4:44pm
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Should doctors be forcing them on kids? that's a whole other topic.
With the health laws written the way they are and the way they are enforced, that is the ONLY topic for me.
post #50 of 52
9/22/08 at 4:50pm
Thread Starter 
I actually would love to start a thread on this topic. One that does not go off on the tangent of whether vaccines work or not but on whether doctors should have the right to force vaccines on the individual. But it would be so hard to discuss without debating about whether vaccines are effective enough to warrant forcing on the public to protect the public.
post #51 of 52
9/22/08 at 5:45pm
I do not think any one has the right to force any treatment/prophyllaxis/remedy/panacea on any one else. I do believe that is the basis for Roe versus Wade which so many want to preserve, yet few want to use for its full potential in cases like this.

We have the right to privacy. It is up to us to enforce it.

I could not care less if any vaccine was 1% or 100% effective, I do not want it injected into my body.
post #52 of 52
9/22/08 at 8:26pm
Since we do not host discussions regarding the merits of mandatory vaccination & this thread is about DTaP, not all vaccines, lets remember to stay on topic here regarding whether/how DTaP impacts B. pertussis transmission.
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