Another question for roman catholics ... - Page 2

[StacyL]

Originally Posted by Liquesce

Are all other statements open to debate? Or are there other "levels" of indisputability?

All matters of faith and morals that are part of Catholic doctrine are binding upon all Catholics under pain of mortal sin, even if the doctrine has not been explicitly defined as Dogma in a Infallible Council or in a ex cathedra statement.

The issue of Papal authority and infallibilty is one that many groups have apostasized (left the Church) over for many years, starting in the 1050's.

[1littlebit]

Originally Posted by StacyL

All matters of faith and morals that are part of Catholic doctrine are binding upon all Catholics under pain of mortal sin, even if the doctrine has not been explicitly defined as Dogma in a Infallible Council or in a ex cathedra statement.

The issue of Papal authority and infallibilty is one that many groups have apostasized (left the Church) over for many years, starting in the 1050's.

just a thought on this. I thought the majority of sins were venial sins and while still bad are not cause for someone to burn in eternal torment (though a few years in purgatory before heaven would probably be in order). Where as Mortal sins are those that are most serious and, if not absolved through confession or last rites, would potentially mean said sinner would spend eternity in hell. I totally understand i could be completely wrong, i think this is what i was taught but i couldn't swear to it.

[StacyL]

Mortal sin can be anything, but it has three requirements:

1. It must be of grave matter. Ex: stealing a piece of candy is not, stealing billions from taxpayers under fraudulent business practices is.

2. It must be done with sufficent reflection. You must have had time to consider your actions beforehand.

3. It must be committed with full consent of your will, i.e. not under duress or something.

Here's a link to some discussion with examples:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14004b.htm


http://www.saintaquinas.com/mortal_sin.html


http://www.trosch.org/the/mortal-sin.html

[1littlebit]

yeah thats basically what i was trying to understand. have you ever read any thing by bud macfarlane? sort of OT but i love his books.. and they are Catholic so its only sorta OT lol

[spero]

Originally Posted by StacyL

Please read the Catholic Encylopedia article on this. The charism of infallibilty is given only to the Pope.

No matter what the Catholic Encyclopedia says, anyone with a brain and free will to use it can see that the concept of "papal infallibility" had dubious beginnings at best. The fact is, the majority of bishops knew better than to say yes to such an idea ... and they were ignored.

The Pope is singular in His authority. The man who sits in the Chair of Peter is the visible head of the Church, who is responsible and has Supreme authority in Christ's stead here on earth.

So ... what about all the corrupt popes, who willfully abused that authority? Are we just supposed to forget about them? Who's to say that we'll never have another?

The Pope is the first among bishops. They are supposed to work together, with the Pope as the head, to feed the flock and uphold the Faith.

[CharlieBrown]

I was under the impression that Traditionalists don't support the current Pope? Is that true, StacyL? Who is "in charge of the Church"?

[Arduinna]

Originally Posted by StacyL

The purpose is solely to repeat and explicitly define what has already ALWAYS been taught by the Church. In other words, an infallible statement cannot be anything "new" as the Deposit of Faith was completed upon the death of the last Apostle. Papal Infallibility as dogma was itself explicitly defined in 1870 at Vatical Council I.

Here's a link to a good article that explains it:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm#IIIB

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How did I miss the bolded part before? Now I have to go research that more.

Originally Posted by CharlieBrown

I was under the impression that Traditionalists don't support the current Pope? Is that true, StacyL? Who is "in charge of the Church"?

Only the sedevacantist groups like SSPV ( not the SSPX ) believe the Papal office is currently vacant. It's pretty clear which ones are Sedes, they are pretty forthcoming on their websites and in their literature.