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post #121 of 172
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Originally Posted by limabean
I meant that since the OP seems to be from a culture in which having lice is considered something highly unusual that must be swiftly dealt with, judging her from the perspective of someone living in a culture in which it's thought of as something that is just going to happen from time to time and it's not a big deal isn't totally relevant.
See I find my life the opposite. My hubby is born and bred wiltshirian(from wiltshire, in england) and I am american.

My son got lice a few weeks ago and i pretty much expected it to happen. there was an outbreak. i checked his head daily, dealt with it, its gone.

i did freak out because he had only been in school two weeks and got it, but the lice thing..eh no big deal.

whereas my british hubby freaked out. he was disgusted, etc.

i did tell people, hey , my son has lice lets not play etc, even though i knew he had been treated and stuff, i didnt mind telling people.

youre right, our culture thinks our crap dont stink and when it does they bury their head in the toilet.
post #122 of 172
Headlice are a constant issue for us here in tropical Australia. I have lost track of the number of times we have had them. In fact, three out of the four of us have a slight case of them right now, & I treat just about continuously when the kids are in school (I use natural oils, no chemicals, & lots & lots of conditioner with a nit comb). So really, they don't even slightly gross me out anymore.... I just deal with it because I have to & suffice to say I have a lot of experience with controlling/managing infestations.

Believe it or not, the local university has spent money & time into researching control of headlice in the school system, & they got some really interesting results which you all might be interested in. Their research cleared up a lot of myths & wrong ideas I had about headlice, & made my life a lot easier when it came to dealing with the problem.

http://www.health.qld.gov.au/headlice/about/default.asp

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Myth: Facts
Head lice only live in dirty hair: Head lice have no preference for dirty or clean hair. As long as the scalp is warm and moist and you have blood (their food source), you're a good home... that's all of us!

Head lice jump and fly: Head lice do not have wings or grasshopper legs. They have six strong claws, which they use to swing from hair-to-hair.

Head lice are effectively treated after one treatment session: Neither chemical or non-chemical treatment kills or removes all the eggs. So young lice will hatch from the eggs after the initial treatment. It is necessary to have more then one treatment to remove the young immature lice before they breed. In this way you can break the head lice lifecycle.

Head lice live and breed in the house/classroom: The lifecycle of the lice must be completed on the human head. They die very rapidly off the head from dehydration. The eggs need the warmth and moisture of the scalp to hatch. The lice need the warmth, moisture and food source of the head to live and breed.

Head lice carry disease and viruses: Head lice do not carry or transmit disease. They are a nuisance to humans not a health hazard.

http://www.jcu.edu.au/school/phtm/PH...ce/hlinfo1.htm

This webpage is a really good resource. It is a good place to go when you despair of ever being able to eliminate the dreaded nitties.

My favourite part is this:
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DO I NEED TO SPRING CLEAN THE HOUSE?
Definately not! Head lice die if they leave the head. The only way head lice can get water and food is by sucking blood from the scalp. A head louse not on the head is a head louse in a desperate situation! Head lice will dehydrate when off the head. The rate at which this occurs depends on the amount of water vapour in the air. We searched the floors of 118 primary school classroom carpets for head lice while the pupils were out of the classroom. We also checked the children's heads. We found no lice (ZERO!) on the floors and 14,033 lice on the heads of the 2000 or so children using those classrooms. To treat head lice concentrate on the head!
A small number of lice do move down to pillow slips at night. So change the pillow slip when you are treating your child, or heat it up (hot wash, iron, hot dryer) to kill any head lice that may have walked across to the pillow slip. However, focus your main efforts on the head, not on the environment. The head is where the action is!

post #123 of 172
I am posting a solution that is used to help prevent headlice here in our little bit of heaven. I started working as a kindergarten assistant four years ago at the local elementary school where my daughter attended. It seemed that lice was very prevelent here and had been for over 30 years! The teacher that I was assigned to suggested that I add Tea Trea oil to my shampoo to discourage "head boarders", and after I discovered that I needed to treat our household first (We had already succumbed to the parasites) I have used TTO relgiously. You need to get used to the odor, which is strong, but it does seem to work. After the initial outbreak, we have never had a problem while using it. You can even purchase a commercial shampoo that already contains TTO with a pleasant aroma. I am diligent in it's use, since I regularly hae 60+ Kindergarteners hurling themselves at me daily.
post #124 of 172
aussiemum, that's great information! I'm going to save it and hand it out to friends who need to deal with lice.

This whole thread has devolved a little. The OP was upset, justifiably, because her neighbor failed to inform her that neighbor's kids had lice. Substitute "the flu" and you get the picture.

I've had to stop playdates for over a month due to lice because I wasn't willing to risk infecting another kid. It's common courtesy. Like staying home from work or school when you're sick.
post #125 of 172
aussiemum, that sounds like such a great site, and I'll definitely use it if we ever have an infestation in future.

Now I realize I was actually doing the "scientific thing," back when I decided to just focus on our heads and not the whole house. I just did it that way because I was feeling lazy, and then a friend said, "You really don't need to do all that stuff!" -- and I was, like, "Well, I won't! And I'll just be really vigilant to make sure that what I'm doing solves the problem." And it did!

But the "scientific" information I had at that time, basically said you have to treat your whole house. It's good to have this backup.

But, miss_sonja, I don't think the thread has really devolved. When you consider that the stigma is what causes some to violate common courtesy by not telling everyone, and this stigma is primarily caused by all the misinformation we've heard about what a Major Task it is to get rid of headlice -- then it makes sense to get the word out that it doesn't have to be such a Major Task.
post #126 of 172
Isn't anyone worried about the reports that TTO is actually harmful to the hormonal development of young boys? Regular use of TTO has been found to cause breast development in boys.

They're just bugs. They don't pass on diseases, they aren't a sign of poor hygiene. They're just bugs that live on us, and have lived on us for millennia.

For the record, I've never had them, my kids haven't yet had them, and I don't live in Europe. The policy in my school and in every school around us is that you do not have to be nit-free-- just walking-louse-free - to return to school, and that's pretty common. A poster on another board with me is a school nurse (at a private school, I believe) and has repeatedly said that the "Freak out and boil/poison everything" method of dealing with lice is antiquated and has shown not to be particularly effective, and that making kids stay home for weeks at a time is also not effective (and adds to the shame thing that another poster above described).

They're just bugs.

If we do get them, by the way, no TTO for us. I'm trying the Cetaphil treatment, which has a lot of supporters.
post #127 of 172
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A poster on another board with me is a school nurse (at a private school, I believe) and has repeatedly said that the "Freak out and boil/poison everything" method of dealing with lice is antiquated and has shown not to be particularly effective,
It's good to know that more professionals are starting to practice good science!

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and that making kids stay home for weeks at a time is also not effective (and adds to the shame thing that another poster above described).
So true!

Thanks for the heads-up about the TTO!
post #128 of 172
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Isn't anyone worried about the reports that TTO is actually harmful to the hormonal development of young boys? Regular use of TTO has been found to cause breast development in boys.
I'm less concerned about the occasional exposure to TTO than I am about having an itchy head.
post #129 of 172
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Originally Posted by phathui5 View Post
I'm less concerned about the occasional exposure to TTO than I am about having an itchy head.
That's why I'm glad ds keeps his hair short. I think we'd have to go with rosemary or peppermint alone if it became a regular problem or he had long hair.

We got rid of all soy products to stave off the signs of early puberty in my dsd, and I think starting the tto shampoo because of a big lice problem at school may be what stirred things back up. As it is, we still managed to slow things way down. 10 is way better than 6.
post #130 of 172
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Originally Posted by bigeyes View Post
That's why I'm glad ds keeps his hair short. I think we'd have to go with rosemary or peppermint alone if it became a regular problem or he had long hair.

We got rid of all soy products to stave off the signs of early puberty in my dsd, and I think starting the tto shampoo because of a big lice problem at school may be what stirred things back up. As it is, we still managed to slow things way down. 10 is way better than 6.


Yeah, when Savithny mentioned about TTO causing breast-development in boys -- I wondered if it might not be harmful to girls, too. I mean, I'm guessing it must stimulate estrogen-production -- and don't high levels of estrogen, especially when they cause puberty to occur early, increase girls' risk for various cancers in later life?

Since I know from experience that an "itchy head" can be totally cured without TTO, I see no reason, now that I know the risk, to set my girls up for possible health-problems later on.
post #131 of 172
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Originally Posted by savithny View Post
They're just bugs.
Such great wisdom bears repeating.
post #132 of 172
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Originally Posted by savithny View Post
Isn't anyone worried about the reports that TTO is actually harmful to the hormonal development of young boys? Regular use of TTO has been found to cause breast development in boys.

They're just bugs. They don't pass on diseases, they aren't a sign of poor hygiene. They're just bugs that live on us, and have lived on us for millennia.

For the record, I've never had them, my kids haven't yet had them, and I don't live in Europe. The policy in my school and in every school around us is that you do not have to be nit-free-- just walking-louse-free - to return to school, and that's pretty common. A poster on another board with me is a school nurse (at a private school, I believe) and has repeatedly said that the "Freak out and boil/poison everything" method of dealing with lice is antiquated and has shown not to be particularly effective, and that making kids stay home for weeks at a time is also not effective (and adds to the shame thing that another poster above described).

They're just bugs.

If we do get them, by the way, no TTO for us. I'm trying the Cetaphil treatment, which has a lot of supporters.
Try having lice on your head, it's extremely uncomortable to say the least. Lice are nocturnal so they inhibit the ability to sleep and you itch, and then you bleed and then you itch and then you bleed and then you itch and then you bleed.... you get the point. Severe cases can cause anemia as well.
FWIW, my kids and I had lice and I tried many things. The cetaphil/nuvo method is the one thing that finally worked.
post #133 of 172
I guess when we had lice we started feeling better as soon as we'd smothered them with the olive oil -- which we did as soon as we realized we had them -- so by that night we weren't getting bit any more.
post #134 of 172
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Originally Posted by mammal_mama View Post


Yeah, when Savithny mentioned about TTO causing breast-development in boys -- I wondered if it might not be harmful to girls, too. I mean, I'm guessing it must stimulate estrogen-production -- and don't high levels of estrogen, especially when they cause puberty to occur early, increase girls' risk for various cancers in later life?

Since I know from experience that an "itchy head" can be totally cured without TTO, I see no reason, now that I know the risk, to set my girls up for possible health-problems later on.
I wonder too, how much it takes to do this? I react strongly to soy and to estrogen pills (some UAV doc gave me estrogen in error once and I had daily migraines) but the shampoo didn't bother me at all. However, dsd overuses everything, so she may have been exposed to much more tto than I was simply because she uses so much shampoo, and may not have been rinsing as well. I'm going to google, but in the meantime I may look into just adding peppermint and rosemary oils to regular shampoo and skip the tto altogether from now on.

I've been so careful with her diet and had no idea about the tto and hormones. :
post #135 of 172
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Originally Posted by wytchywoman View Post
Try having lice on your head, it's extremely uncomortable to say the least. Lice are nocturnal so they inhibit the ability to sleep and you itch, and then you bleed and then you itch and then you bleed and then you itch and then you bleed.... you get the point. Severe cases can cause anemia as well.
FWIW, my kids and I had lice and I tried many things. The cetaphil/nuvo method is the one thing that finally worked.
Yeah, we tried everything until we got to the tto, and it was absolutely miserable. The itching was ungodly, and once I'd seen the damn things, every little brush or itch made me think I had things crawling all over me. Dsd has so much hair it was nearly impossible to get all the eggs out, and even though logically you know you aren't dirty, psychologically it's just awful after a couple of months when you can't get rid of them. I think we had them for 4 months before we finally completely got rid of them. I would rather be physically ill than have a parasite for 4 months. ugh.

Dsd had scabs where she had scratched and scratched. She's self conscious almost to the point of being neurotic anyway, and having lice for a long period of time did not help.
post #136 of 172
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Originally Posted by bigeyes View Post
However, dsd overuses everything, so she may have been exposed to much more tto than I was simply because she uses so much shampoo, and may not have been rinsing as well.
That seems likely: I remember how I used to slather stuff on my hair and body when I was a kid! And don't blame yourself -- how could you have known? I was planning on using the TTO again soon, too (we'd used it for a little while after our last infestation 3 years ago).

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I've been so careful with her diet and had no idea about the tto and hormones. :
post #137 of 172
Well, at least I know now. Lavender has done the same thing, apparently, so peppermint and rosemary are the way to go.

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/prod...derteatree.htm


And look!

http://www.walgreens.com/store/produ...sku=sku3790485

http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/...0001&langId=-1

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp80683_33...g_rosemary.htm

http://www.vitacost.com/Avalon-Organ...mizing-Shampoo

http://www.vitacost.com/Avalon-Organ...poo-Peppermint


Avalon organics is what we buy anyway, and they make peppermint and rosemary without the TTO! woot! :
post #138 of 172
Thanks for the links!
post #139 of 172
yw

post #140 of 172
You know, I had absolutely no idea the tea tree oil could cause hormone disruption- no idea at all. : So I am going to look into that, & maybe change my treatment protocol.

Here, once you get rid of headlice, a lot of people just comb with conditioner once a week just to make sure the kids stay nit free (it's usually Friday night- end of school week kind of thing).
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