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post #141 of 172
Yeah, but we tried suggesting that upthread and I got shot down in flames
post #142 of 172
This is completely OT and tell me to start another thread if you wish but can you tell me that if we shouldn't be using tto for our kids, can we use rosemary oil as a prevention as I would have with tto (i.e. a couple of drops in shampoo or in a spray oil to put in hair)? Yes we've just got them ... again ... and I find 4-5 hours of combing just impossible for a 6 year old with long curly fine hair which these little creatures love, do you do the combing even after putting oil in the hair overnight?

On a social issue if you know a child at school is not being treated, the parents do not collect/take to and from school would you inform the school saying that the child is infested (she really is) poor thing, and she really is a lovely child I and my kids like her very much but it's just not fair on everyone if she is continually infecting everyone else - it's getting to be a bit of a dilemma for us.
post #143 of 172
ewe+lamb -- the olive oil should kill all the live bugs, then if you do it again 8 days later it should kill all the babies that have hatched, before they mature enough to lay eggs. Then you wouldn't have to nit-comb.

I guess the main concern would be the nits that hatched between the first treatment and the second -- that they could infect other kids. Of course, that's no problem if you live in an area where kids are not stigmatized for having lice, meaning you could tell everyone and all the other parents could do their treatments at the same time you were doing yours, so all the hatchlings would get killed before maturing.

In my area, where there is a stigma, I'd probably nit-comb following both treatments, just to be on the safe-side. At least the oil makes combing a little easier.
post #144 of 172
Or, to avoid the nit-combing -- how about keeping the hair oiled for the full 8 days?
post #145 of 172
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Originally Posted by flapjack View Post
OP, given that your child's head is crawling with them, the chances are just as good that your kid passed it to the neighbouring family and picked it up at homeschooling group. Lice are nothing to be snobby about, y'know? Certainly the chances are that the reason the family next door couldn't clear them is because your kid kept reinfecting them.
I agree. They probably got it just how your kid got it- kids playing with other kids that have lice.
post #146 of 172
Two things:

I was under the impression that the primary way that olive oil works isn't b by killing them outright but by making it easier to do the combing that is the truly effective method. I'd always heard that finecombing over and over is the only way to get all the nits.

That said:

Everyone is assuming that the Liceridden Family in the OP is just not taking care of the situation. But as I was contemplating "what would we do if..." i asked myself "Okay, after I fine-comb both kids, WHO is going to do the same for me? I'd have to get DH to do it, right? What if he were travelling for work and not around? What if he were working late every night? Would he even have the Madd Haircombing Skillz needed? I'm thinking that my regular hairdresser would NOT welcome me showing up with a bottle of oil and a nitcomb and asking HER to do it.

So I wonder - people treat the heck out of their kids to get them back into school. I read all these stories about "Oh, I spent hours every night combing and washing and bagging bedding," but they never say how the parents treated thmselves or each other! Are the adults not able to treat themselves, and THEY are reinfecting the kids?
post #147 of 172
I know I said I wasn't going to post again

but

Please can it be referred to as INFESTING?

Lice are not inFECTous and carry no diseases and the people who have them in their hair er not infectious either.
post #148 of 172
ewe+lamb, I believe in combing, and I'm really sceptical that pouring olive oil on the head is an effective treatment if you don't couple it with combing. After all, with insecticide shampoos you smother the head and it tends to miss a few, I don't see how olive oil is going to have a 100% hit rate.

Savithny, that's why I'm so vigilant. When we had our Big Infestation, I had waistlength hair. It took 9 hours that first night to clear my head, three hours three days later, another three hours three days later... I have masses of fine hair which tangles easily, and the little blighters were not only down at the roots but also living at shoulder-height. It was grim It took longer to clear me than anyone else and I'm fairly sure I reinfected my kids once or twice, but if we hadn't been checking them so carefully, we'd never have known.
Oh, and this is how you know you have a True Mummy Friend. You know what the nicest thing you can say when your friend tells you their kid has nits? "When you're done with the kids, would you like me to check you over?" It happened once to me, and it's up there with bringing food during a three-month-old growth spurt or cleaning the house for someone whose kid is in the throes of separation anxiety.
post #149 of 172
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Oh, and this is how you know you have a True Mummy Friend. You know what the nicest thing you can say when your friend tells you their kid has nits? "When you're done with the kids, would you like me to check you over?"
So true! What a wonderful idea!

I haven't taken the time to read the whole thread (so sorry in advance for butting in!) but having just spent the past 3 months dealing with this, I am *convinced* that the manual method (combing & picking) is best. It just always came down to that for our family. I now have a routine that involves sitting with the kids on the front steps of our house (sunlight is great for finding the critters!), combing them thoroughly. The kids complain a bit, because it takes a long time, but it has truly been the one and only routine that eventually rid our family of this infestation!

By the way, I am extremely short-sighted, and I do all my combing without glasses or contacts, with my face just inches from the kids heads. I'm sure I look just like a mama monkey grooming my kids, but it works!!
post #150 of 172
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Originally Posted by flapjack View Post
ewe+lamb, I believe in combing, and I'm really sceptical that pouring olive oil on the head is an effective treatment if you don't couple it with combing. After all, with insecticide shampoos you smother the head and it tends to miss a few, I don't see how olive oil is going to have a 100% hit rate.
Yeah, we actually did tie plastic bags on our heads over the olive oil.

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Oh, and this is how you know you have a True Mummy Friend. You know what the nicest thing you can say when your friend tells you their kid has nits? "When you're done with the kids, would you like me to check you over?" It happened once to me, and it's up there with bringing food during a three-month-old growth spurt or cleaning the house for someone whose kid is in the throes of separation anxiety.
Yes, one of my friends went through my hair for me -- and it was just wonderful!
post #151 of 172
The idea of the olive oil (or mayonaise, conditioner, etc) isn't that it out right kills them like the poison in the insecticide shampoo. The idea is that the bugs drown in the oil. Supposedly they can only hold their breath for 4 hours.

Since the treatment is harmless to humans, it can be repeated more frequently than the every 8 days and can be left on longer than 4 hours. With toxic shampoos one wants to follow the 8 day rule carefully to avoid over exposure, but one can do oil treatments every night for weeks if they want to. Many people leave the oil treatment on over night while sleeping.
post #152 of 172
OK so what I did last night was oil my hair and my kids, dh doesn't have any , then wrapped the head in clingfilm and clipped tight with barettes, put towels over the pillows and fine combed the kids and then myself this morning (although I have short hair - thanks to my son but that's another thread completely) do I therefore have to repeat the process again tonight, I'm thinking I'm just going to get some rosemary oil, mix with sweet almond oil and put it in our hair for a week - I'll still nit comb (but it takes HOURS with my dd - 5 hours this morning poor thing) I can't imagine doing that every night for 8 days!!!
post #153 of 172
The main reason for smothering them again in 8 days, is that I think a nit hatches within about 6 days of being laid (but isn't mature enough to lay eggs 'til about 21 days old) -- so if you smother all the live bugs, no more nits can get laid, so you wait 8 days for all the remaining nits to hatch, then smother all those new bugs -- and then there should be nothing left.

But we did always combine the oil with nit-combing.
post #154 of 172
I had no idea that lice were so common. I've never had them, nor did any of my brothers or childhood friends. My mom says she got lice once from a girl in grade school who sat at the desk in front of hers; she would flip her hair back all the time, smacking my mom in the face.

Then again, I was raised Muslim and the girls generally wore little head scarves. I wonder if lice spread faster in longer hair, too?
post #155 of 172
Oh yeah I think we can trace dd's neurotic excoriation (picking her head) straight back to those "just bugs." She's 15 and has not had them since she was 6 and when she is anxious Guess what she does? That was probably the only time she ever had unbearable anxiety. When she found out lice were bugs on her head.

It's hard not to panic when your head is teeming with them. I know cuz I was trying really hard not to freak out and pick them off of her. Cuz yeah I'm the mom and it's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it.

I'd rather go thru the "Major Task" we had the resistant kind and I'm telling you just combing the the nits out HAHA. No you don't just pluck them off and they are gone. It's VERY hard to get all the little buggers once and for all. Or atleast the strain of them that we had. If you've had them and got rid of them fairly easily good for you count yourself lucky, but if you've had the resistant kind...yeah it's a major PITA but you don't complain cuz it's worth it not to have a head full of 'em.

I think it's both the stigma and the alternative view that they are no big deal that causes ppl to let their kids play with other kids and share head gear and spread them.
post #156 of 172
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Originally Posted by ewe+lamb View Post
This is completely OT and tell me to start another thread if you wish but can you tell me that if we shouldn't be using tto for our kids, can we use rosemary oil as a prevention as I would have with tto (i.e. a couple of drops in shampoo or in a spray oil to put in hair)? Yes we've just got them ... again ... and I find 4-5 hours of combing just impossible for a 6 year old with long curly fine hair which these little creatures love, do you do the combing even after putting oil in the hair overnight?

On a social issue if you know a child at school is not being treated, the parents do not collect/take to and from school would you inform the school saying that the child is infested (she really is) poor thing, and she really is a lovely child I and my kids like her very much but it's just not fair on everyone if she is continually infecting everyone else - it's getting to be a bit of a dilemma for us.
It is my understanding that there are several oils that will repel them, but tto and lavender have been linked to hormonal disturbance, so you can use the others.


peppermint, neem, eucalyptus, rosemary and I think I saw citronella mentioned on one site, but it was mixed with some of the other oils.
post #157 of 172
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Originally Posted by Labbemama View Post
I think it's both the stigma and the alternative view that they are no big deal that causes ppl to let their kids play with other kids and share head gear and spread them.
Well, at least I don't think anyone on this thread has said lice is "no big deal." Everyone seems to be in favor of dealing with them swiftly and proactively.
post #158 of 172
http://www.licebusters.ca/

And there are companies that will come to your house and can do each person in about half an hour - we had them come here for a foster child once, after dfd got them from visits home at least once a month for 5 months. It was awesome. I think it was these people http://www.licesquad.com
post #159 of 172
Labbemama, we're not arguing that they're no big deal. We're actually just arguing for an evidence-based approach to lice, focusing upon early detection, rigorous combing, the use of insecticides both natural and chemical as desired, and sod all panic. I feel for your daughter- I have trichotillomania and have done since I was a child (I'm sure I had lice at least once, don't remember any trauma) and the Big Infestation freaked me out.
hsofia, I think it's easier for lice to walk from long hair to long hair. I had them down biting my shoulders when my adorable children brought them home to me, so that would definitely be a risk for transmission.
post #160 of 172
Yeah - tie long hair back - that's what we've always been told with dds hair - but she really loves to have it untied and long so that she can feel it down her back so we tend to do it only on school days, and in the holidays leave it loose anyway I'm off to do more combing!!
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