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post #41 of 172
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Originally Posted by limabean View Post
I'd just be up-front with them -- say something like, "The kids are excited to play again, but it'll have to wait until this lice thing is under control because they were a big pain to get rid of. I came across some tips that seemed to work pretty well -- do you want me to pass them on to you?"

Although it was rude of them not to inform you about the lice in the first place, it doesn't have to be an uncomfortable situation at this point -- just approach it from the standpoint of working together to solve the problem.
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I wouldn't let them play til the neighbors get rid of the lice.
post #42 of 172
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Originally Posted by dubfam View Post
I am planning to try and help them by offering suggestions and help, but I am worried that these people are just kinda okay with having it. Does no one else think it's a problem that these kids are going to school with it too???
I just cannot relate to this AT ALL.
Actually, most of the health organizations are no longer recommending absence from school for head lice.
post #43 of 172

Unforgiveable in my opinion

I think that by not telling you that their children had lice, letting their kids come into your home and inviting your son into their's when they knew that they had lice, that the friendship would be over. I would simply tell them that you thought that you all were friends and a true friend would never do that to friend. Their judgement can't be trusted and they wouldn't ever be welcome in my home again. I certainly wouldn't let my kids in their home.

If the kids are going to school with lice, I would call the school. Once they know about it, they won't let the kids back until all the lice and eggs are gone and will check. I guess that will encourage them to try a little harder to kill the bugs.

That may sound harsh, but my son brought lice home in kindergarten and we all got it. Anyone who does that to someone else - on purpose - is lazy at best, evil at worst. No friend of mine!
post #44 of 172
Yes nits are irritating but I think some of the posters are a little over dramatic in their response.

A louse is a parasite and totally dependent on its host. It feeds from your scalp several times a day to stay alive. It cannot jump off your head and fall on a couch, it doesn't want to fall off your head either or it will starve which is why it has grippy claws. If one were to fall off the head it is probably dead and has lived its 30 days and if one gets wrenched off the head (!) how long do you think it takes a louse to crawl off the sofa on to some part of you and up to your head? the eggs are so sticky that they don't even fall off the hair shaft when they are empty.

Seriously, I think the general reaction of such disgust because our modern society is so ultra-clean and ultra-controlled and lice are so out of control and 'like other lice' by which I presume the poster meant the sexually transmitted kind.

I am also slightly shocked that on a Natural Family Living forum people would be so ready to put these chemicals on their families heads: I'd rather shave their hear really short than expose them to that kind of thing.

Put your revulsion in a jar and just deal with combing the kid's hair without making all sorts of judgements on the other family. Good people can have nits too you know.
post #45 of 172
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orangefoot Yes nits are irritating but I think some of the posters are a little over dramatic in their response.

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Seriously, I think the general reaction of such disgust because our modern society is so ultra-clean and ultra-controlled and lice are so out of control and 'like other lice' by which I presume the poster meant the sexually transmitted kind.

I am also slightly shocked that on a Natural Family Living forum people would be so ready to put these chemicals on their families heads I'd rather shave their hear really short than expose them to that kind of thing.

Put your revulsion in a jar and just deal with combing the kid's hair without making all sorts of judgements on the other family. Good people can have nits too you know.
They are more than irritating. My son's head was BLEEDING from scratching it...and that was only a couple days of itching. He keeps thanking me today and saying how much better he feels without the lice. This has NOTHING to do with "revulsion" and EVERYTHING to do with my child being comfortable and healthy.

Also, I may have missed it but where did anyone advocate for using chemicals? I have seen tons of natural ideas...

Where have I judged the other family for having lice? I am upset that they didn't TELL US they had lice. big difference. Obviously I don't think that we are above getting it. Geez!!
post #46 of 172
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Originally Posted by Breathless Wonder View Post
Actually, most of the health organizations are no longer recommending absence from school for head lice.
That is alarming. It was treated like the plague at school when I was a kid.
I wonder what changed?
post #47 of 172
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Originally Posted by dubfam View Post
That is alarming. It was treated like the plague at school when I was a kid.
I wonder what changed?
Schools loose federal and state funding for a student who is absent more than X days.
post #48 of 172
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Originally Posted by dubfam View Post
I wonder what changed?
Disclaimer. I'm a school admin and not a health expert! Seems to me that there are three reasons I've seen/heard mentioned for the change in lice policies.

1) Lice is not a public safety issue. Very unpleasant and annoying, but they aren't likely to land anyone in the hospital.
2) They truly *are* very unlikely to spread unless a hat, comb, pillow, etc.
3) Our schools (and therefore state health agencies) are catching up with demographics are are creating regulations that provide more support for dual-income families.

FYI - public schools must follow public policy. Private schools don't. We still have a "no nit" policy at my work-school, while our state allows kids back in school. I'm guessing we're still sending kids home with lice for the same reasons most posters were horrified at the thought of being around someone with lice. No one wants that and parents have more "say" in policy in private school settings.
post #49 of 172
You could just only let them play outdoors together for a while. No going into each others houses. Think about it this way if you're sure your DS only got lice about a week ago then he's been around the other kids for months with out getting lice, so it's not like it was easy for him to have gotten them.
post #50 of 172
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They are also sending all of the kids to school etc so who knows HOW many other families will get infected.
That's pretty messed up too. Lice are something that you're not allowed to send kids to school with here, and I'd assume it's the same policy most places.

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Put your revulsion in a jar and just deal with combing the kid's hair without making all sorts of judgements on the other family. Good people can have nits too you know.
My kids were extremely upset when they got lice. They were 6 and 3 and freaked out about bugs on their head, upset when they couldn't make the itching, weird feeling stop. Hated having their hair combed out for the amount of time that took. For some children it's not just an inconvenience, it can be hard on them.
post #51 of 172
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Originally Posted by eepster View Post
You could just only let them play outdoors together for a while. No going into each others houses. Think about it this way if you're sure your DS only got lice about a week ago then he's been around the other kids for months with out getting lice, so it's not like it was easy for him to have gotten them.
He has only been playing with these kids for about 6 weeks at the most.

I think that he had lice for a couple weeks but just started itching a week ago.

Playing outside is fine for now but we live in a really rainy place so fall, winter and spring we have lots of indoor things going on.

The whole thing is so awkward "Hi kids...did your parents delouse you yet? No? Well, sorry, you can't come in today..."
I would say it nicer but I feel like that is how it will sound. And these kids are really sweet so it makes it that much harder. I don;t want to embarrass them.

Ugghhh!! Hopefully I can help them get this resolved and our kids can be playing together again soon
post #52 of 172
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Originally Posted by phathui5 View Post
My kids were extremely upset when they got lice. They were 6 and 3 and freaked out about bugs on their head, upset when they couldn't make the itching, weird feeling stop. Hated having their hair combed out for the amount of time that took. For some children it's not just an inconvenience, it can be hard on them.
EXACTLY. We have spent HOURS combing Owen's hair and it STILL has nits in it (I am gonna do it again in a few minutes). To do it thoroughly takes several hours. This will be the 4th time...that will prob equal about 12 hours spent combing his hair in 3 days.

Poor kid

And he was FREAKING OUT about how itchy he was getting. I remember when I got it as a kid the itching would wake me up because it was so uncomfortable.

Only on MDC would my crunchiness be challenged because I don't like lice. I Love this place


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post #53 of 172
All I am saying is that yes, lice are irritating but in the grand scheme of things there are worse things a neighbour could deliberately expose you to and worse things your children could suffer from which cause them upset.

The nits will go and the grand varmint drama will be another family tale to tell.

I may be looking at this from a totally different place though as over here we even let our kids catch chickenpox
post #54 of 172
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Originally Posted by orangefoot View Post
All I am saying is that yes, lice are irritating but in the grand scheme of things there are worse things a neighbour could deliberately expose you to and worse things your children could suffer from which cause them upset.
Sure, the plague and ebola come to mind.

However, a "friend" doesn't deliberately expose you to something that is annoying, and yes, disgusting.

Nobody has said these aren't "good" people, but in my book they are inconsiderate people.
post #55 of 172
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Originally Posted by EFmom View Post
Nobody has said these aren't "good" people, but in my book they are inconsiderate people.
Okay ... I do agree that they should have said something. But it seemed to me that the OP was asking where to go from here. Some are saying she should end the friendship over it, or at the very least not allow the kids to play together 'til the neighbors' kids are lice-free.

I'm not sure how long it would take to know if they're lice-free. In my book, it would be so precious to have a next-door neighbor with children close to my children's ages, who my children loved playing with, that I wouldn't be so quick to call this incident a deal-breaker.

I'd use the tea-tree-oil, and/or possibly coat my child's hair with olive-oil, and talk with my child about the increased risk of getting lice through sharing hair accessories and brushes and hats and pillows -- basically anything that goes on someone else's head ... and I wouldn't just focus on the neighbors, but talk about how anyone can have lice, and it's just a good idea to take some simple precautions.

Since the OP's son was obviously traumatized by the lice, it sounds like he'll listen and take these suggestions to heart. And if he wanted to keep playing with his friends, I wouldn't stop him. I'd just do what I could to make it less likely for him to get lice, and, as others have suggested, go through his hair frequently.

Ultimately, it's up to the OP to do what she feels is best for her family and child. I don't fault her for not enjoying lice -- we didn't enjoy them either, though I wouldn't exactly say that the only things worse would be the plague or ebola (now I need to go look up ebola ...

Okay, just looked it up ... hemorrhagic fever and can cause death, huh? ... yeah, I stand by my previous assertion that there are lots of things worse than lice, that would be less severe than the plague or ebola ... i.e. tooth decay, severe teen acne, 2 hours of homework every night as young as age 12, etcetera, etcetera).
post #56 of 172
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Originally Posted by mammal_mama View Post
but though American lice are now chemical resistant
Not all of them are.

I think more than anything, consistency is the key. It takes about 7 days for an egg to hatch, and then it's another 8 days before the louse can lay more eggs. So two treatments 8 days apart, plus combing every few days (with a lice comb, not a regular comb) should get rid of them all - but you have to find them ALL. It is hard to get kids (esp those with long hair) to sit still for an hour while you comb, and if this family has a lot of kids, I could see how it would be difficult to eradicate lice. Three or four treatments is probably safer, and then some sort of preventive (tea tree products are good for that).

As for why the neighbors didn't say anything, I imagine they were embarrassed. Having lice is considered really gross by a lot of people. People link it with poor hygiene, etc., even though it has nothing to do with that.
post #57 of 172
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Originally Posted by mammal_mama View Post
I stand by my previous assertion that there are lots of things worse than lice, that would be less severe than the plague or ebola ... i.e. tooth decay, severe teen acne, 2 hours of homework every night as young as age 12, etcetera, etcetera).
Yes, all these and ... having parents who just let you live long-term with an infestation of parasites on your head.
post #58 of 172
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Originally Posted by limabean View Post
Yes, all these and ... having parents who just let you live long-term with an infestation of parasites on your head.
Right -- but I don't think the OP's son has that kind of parent!
post #59 of 172
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Originally Posted by mammal_mama View Post
Right -- but I don't think the OP's son has that kind of parent!

I think that if you let your kids play continually with lice-infested neighbors, what you end up with is a long-term infestation of parasites on your head.
post #60 of 172
this is what i used

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ull/114/3/e275

blow drier and cetaphil face cleanser once a week for 3 weeks on all of us. not just my daugh. i didnt comb out the nits (when she got it over the holidays) and only put my bed stuff (either drier or HOT wash) and washed the combs.

i just found out about tea tree oil so i now tie my daughs hair in a ponytail and spray tto and water on her hair before she goes to school to avoid reinfestation.

to me it is pointless to spend so much of my time getting the nits. esp. since you dont have to do it. (i did have to do the next time since of the schools 'no nit' policy).

OP if ur neighbours are still struggling then i would just go to the doctor and get the prescription medicine (it works but it is expensive) and use it on everyone in the family.

the KEY with the above treatment is to do it regularly once a week (same day each week) for 3 weeks with EVERYONE in the family.
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