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post #1 of 9
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My DD (A) is almost 3.5, bright, articulate, and often sweet and loving.

But when she is tired, sick or under stress she lashes out at other kids.

She's had a lot of change lately....became a big sister at the end of March, we moved to a new house in June and she started a new bilingual preschool about a week and a half ago. Lots of big stuff, and its understandable that she's under stress. She can be very, well, THREE at times...ignoring us, laughing at requests, running away etc, which is frustrating, but most of that is anticipatable/preventable. And ultimately we're her parents and can deal with it. (We're both home most of the time right now and despite having moments of exhaustion etc. we have a lot of resources & time).

But...what I find to be the most difficult of her behaviours is how she lashes out at random kids.

If you're still with me, I'll give some examples of recent incidents and how we handled them (because I think we could be doing a lot better).

1) First day of preschool...in retrospect, we overdid it, going out for an errand afterwards. We ran into some friends at the mall, a mom and her daughter age 4, I'll call her T. We are chatting with the mom and she seems to playing happily with T, who she`s met once before. They are laughing, running around, when all of a sudden, I spot A trying to push T off the bench. I say `be gentle A' at which point A looks at me, grins and smacks T hard across the stomach. I freak out, go over and pick A up and put her on my lap telling her we don't do this to people, and forcing her to apologize. She is very mad, and doesn't want to apologize, eventually she goes over to T who looks very upset & perplexed and shouts an angry 'sorry' at her.

In retrospect, my own furious reaction didn't help, nor did forcing an apology. But how could I have handled this better

2) Last Thursday, I wasn`t there, but dw took dd and baby dd to the park to play, and had to leave within 20 min. because dd was going around poking random children.

3) Today, we are at a local kids farm, a fun outing after a rough morning at home (we had fun baking and playing, but we are both grumpy and getting over colds). We had the place mostly to ourselves, and dd was having fun. Until two incidents:
a) a little girl (also about 3) comes up to dd and I while I am reading her a story. Dd says, do you think she wants to listen too? And I say, maybe, and invite the little girl to listen. She smiles. A then moves to block the entire bench we are sitting on, preventing her from joining us. She then says I don't want her to listen, I want her to go away. And moves to push her. I intervene and immediately take dd and leave the area. Little girl is obviously hurt by the interaction.
b) Dd is the only kid on the playground at the farm and playing happily. Another little boy, 2.5 or 3 comes along and starts playing happily in a different area. Dd runs at him roaring. I intervene, as I can see this escalating. I pick her up and carry her over to the bench to sit with me. I explain that I think she's had enough and that we need to go. And that she needs to be kind to other kids. I go over to dw who is sitting nursing and say that it's time for us to go. We get up to go, dd darts away finds the little boy and roughly shoves him in the chest before I can get to her. I carry her out of the farm. We decide to cancel her swimming lessons and a playdate planned for the day (she has had trouble with this friend in the past) and have a quiet family dinner out instead. She tells us that she will try to be nice if we go ahead with the plans, but we say that we think that a change of plans is better for all of us.
When asked about her behaviour her explanations include:"I'm having an angry at children day" and "I wanted to be the only one at the farm". Well, okay, but that's not an okay way to express these feelings. And of course, she's not quite 3.5.



These are a few incidents of a larger number....but I don't want to suggest she's like this most of the time....maybe 25% or less....we have many many good days, weeks etc. We spend LOTS of time playing one on one together fostering a strong, positive connection, and generally we delight in our funny, fun, loving kid. Also dd is a great big sister. 95% is great with the new baby (aside from screaming to wake her up...another thread). But these incidents really really disturb/worry me. I'm just at a loss...she has never been aggressive until she turns 3. Also, I know that for me hurting/being mean to other kids is the number one thing that pushes my buttons the hardest. I'm a nice person (too much so sometimes) and really value that...

help!
post #2 of 9
My ds, now a little over 4, went through the same thing. We also had a new baby when he was 3.5. He was aggressive in much the same way you describe your dd being. Now, it seems that we have turned a corner and things are MUCH better. Part of it is him growing past that difficult 3.5 age and part of it is him settling into his big brother role. But, there were some things I did along the way to help. (Honestly, I don't know if they helped or not, maybe it's just the fact that he's matured some.)

I had to get VERY active in parenting him when we were around other kids. In your example with the little boy at the farm, I would have had to be very sure I was one step behind him and could get to him before he had a chance to push the other kid. So, I really had to train myself to expect that he would act like that and be ready for it to come out of nowhere. It was hard, but I think it may have helped him break the habit.

I also realized that he did not do well around younger kids, even if they were just a half a year younger. Somehow, he was better around older kids. So, if we were out and there were younger kids, I would steer him away from them before he had a chance to act out.

I realized that he was working through jealousy feelings about the baby already and those were being transferred to the other kids. If I was in the position you were with the child listening to the story you were reading, I would not have invited her to join us. Even still as my ds is growing out of his aggressive streak, I wouldn't do that. I'm not sure my ds is ready to share me in that way with other kids. Actually, I even make sure that our reading time at home is just me and him. Dh takes the baby so I can focus on ds for that time.

3.5 is a tough age anyway and it's doubly tough when there is a new sibling. But, just keep plugging along. It has gradually gotten better for us and I'm sure it will for you too!
post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thanks two cool boys...everything you are saying makes sense.
I can totally see how this could be transference of her jealously about our new dd, and I do need to be sure to shadow her...a lesson I've already learned to some degree, but clearly not well enough!
And you're right about not inviting the girl over...I thought that was what dd wanted, only she didn't have the social scripting to do it herself, but clearly I should have left well enough alone.

Thanks for the encouraging post
post #4 of 9
She seems extremely intelligent. The "I'm having an angry at other children day" comment is just well wow. Very expressive.

You say you also had planned on this day aside from the farm a swimming lesson AND a playdate, do you think maybe your over doing the out and about stuff? That seems like an awful lot of intense go-go-go action.

Just a thought. And I also agree with misplaced sibling jealousy.
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
very true about possible overplanning, PI. amd yes she is very articulate

Another question--other than preventi9on, how should I respond if she does something like this? How do I give attention to the other child, for ex, while physically restraining a kicking dd ?
post #6 of 9
I'm going through a similar situation and I am hoping someone could help me as well.

I have a 3 1/2 year old. He's been scratching and shoving other kids. It seems like he is doing it to get their attention, or possibly get them to chase him.

We have recently moved into a new place, and we've only been here a week. He also started a new preschool.

This afternoon we were out and a woman brought her 1 year old out. My son went over to see him and everything was fine. Then out of the blue he shoved the child and it fell over on the concrete. The little boy got a scratch on his lip and it bled. I felt absolutely horrible and brought my son in immediately after making sure the little boy didn't have a serious injury.

I could tell that the parents were extremely ticked. I waited about a half hour and went back over to check on the little boy. I was treated like the worst type of person that ever lived. When I came back in my place, I almost started crying myself.

They did tell me that the little boy's gum was bleeding around the tooth and his lower lip was scratched up.

There have been times in the past that a toddler or preschooler has pushed or bumped one of my children. The parents usually apologize and I understand that these things happen. The parents of this little boy seemed mad enough to take it to small claims.

I guess I would like to know how other moms would have handled the situation. Both with the parents and with their child. I explained to him that we don't hit and push and removed him from the situation immediately. Could I have done something differently? Thanks to much for your help. I'm really so sad over this.
post #7 of 9
When my first child went through this, I felt much more angst, but I have to say that now that I'm going through it with my third, I'm MUCH more relaxed. ALL kids go through stages like this, they're kids and they are in the process of learning how to interact. We as a society need to lighten up a lot.

I was at a farm a few weeks ago and my son was so excited to see another toddler, he ran over with a huge grin to give her a big hug/tackle to the ground. I kind of grabbed the girl before she hit the pavement to prevent her from getting hurt, and apologized to them saying, "sorry, my son can get very exuberant in his hugs" and carried him off so that he could play something else. I was laughing later, though, as the mother very much reacted like, "oh my gosh, what kind of monster is your toddler that he would touch my precious little baby" and I realized that I was rather empathetic towards her.....soon enough her precious little baby will be tackling others too, it's the way of toddlers. And then she'll realize that it's not just that I'm the worst mother in the world!

So anyways, I guess I now feel that most of this will pass over time. There's no need to give big lectures or punishments really, they will outgrow it. I would definitely address some of the issues (ie many high protein snacks throughout the day, enough sleep, less busy-ness, less time with other kids for a while,etc), I would shadow closely as #1 priority is to prevent kids from getting hurt, and then if something happens I would apologize on my own behalf (ie "I'm sorry my daughter/son hurt you/your child, are you okay?" or something like that) and model empathy, then take my child away to prevent further incidence and/or figure out what is going on for him/her. Away from that situation, I would read lots of books about empathy, not hurting, etc I would talk about how it feels when others hurt us, things we can do when we're frustrated, etc - but not in the situation.
I would also try to remove other people's judgements from the picture, that's usually when the worst parenting happens, when we get caught up in what everyone else is thinking. Perhaps we can change their perspective by modelling a different way to react?!
post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 
s to you ams2009 --It is really hard isn't it? I also find it hard to manage my own emotions around a situation (embarassment, annoyance with other parents) without transferring those emotions onto dd. Who is still little & learning. We are slooowly getting better at anticipating these things and giving her words (they often happen when someone is saying goodbye/leaving) which she finds hard. And we are trying to minimize our interaction with other kids for the moment, especially ones we know are challenging. Sigh. 3 is haaaaaard.
post #9 of 9
Thanks so much for both of your encouraging posts. That's something I need to work on.... Worrying about what other people will think. Thanks again for your responses.
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