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post #41 of 81
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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
So is it limited to the Fall 07 line or not? The rest have fairly large labels as well, the ones we have have a box around the whole number. I wonder if I should call.

Crap, now I know why people spend the money on Hanna Andersson...I think it's time we had less clothes but ones that are not toxic!!

What about other companies? Pretty much all the kids' clothes is tagless now.
True Blue -

From the reports that we've received from our readers, the problem doesn't seem to be limited to Carters. So far, we've had reports that children have possibly reacted to Baby Gap, Circo, Gerber, and Carters tagless clothes though certainly Carters seems to be the brand with the most incidents. We're still trying to get answers from Carters on what exactly is in the tagless labels so we'll update as soon as we can.

We have also received a few reports from parents whose children have had reactions to clothes outside of the Fall 2007 line but the majority seem to be coming from that larger label.

HTH!

Best,

ZMom
post #42 of 81
The woman I spoke with said that if my son showed any reaction to any other Carter's clothing even with the other style tags that I could send them back for a refund. She said that the clothes that are returned are going to be tested at a lab. Not sure exactly what that means, but she was super nice.

Oh, and I received my mailers today! She FedEx'd them overnight and I sent them out today. Super speedy! She sent DS a super cute teddy bear too. I am happy with their response so far.
post #43 of 81
My son frequently has some red bumps and scratches on the back of his neck. I actually chaulked it up to tags, not tagless! He has plenty of those tagless ones. I called and they were very nice. I'll be sending back the baby's stuff too even the stuff she never used! Like someone else said I'm not going to try it out on her! I'm not putting any of the stuff back on to figure out which tags(less) they are. It's all going back!
post #44 of 81
DD1 has a nice little patch of red bumps. I just figured it was tag irritation--from regular tags. Adding something else to my Monday to-do list.
post #45 of 81

Ok...

so is it a chemical reaction (burn) or a skin reaction to the plastic-printed tag rubbing on sensitive skin?

If your baby has a postage-stamp sized block of red/irritated/crusty skin right where the tag is, THAT is a chemical burn. Hard to miss, but equally hard to figure out how it's happening. Wash the clothing to remove any residue from the stamping process. Some skin needs unimpeded airflow to breathe and gets irritated when that doesn't happen (due to a bandaid or clothing tag).

If your baby has minor redness, a pimple or heat rash in the area, that's a skin reaction and it's not Carter's fault. Your kid's skin just doesn't agree with tagless clothing. Buy different suff, but don't blame Carter's.

Returning clothing because it *might* cause an issue for your baby is a waste and a fraudulent use of Carter's consumer protection policies. Returning old clothing that you don't use anymore, washed a zillion times, is stained or wrecked... that's just wrong. Your baby wore those clothes and didn't have any issues... why return it now?
post #46 of 81
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Originally Posted by dadinblue View Post
Returning clothing because it *might* cause an issue for your baby is a waste and a fraudulent use of Carter's consumer protection policies.
Isn't it much the same as if you brought a toy back that was recalled because it a piece *might* break off and present a choking hazard? Most recalls are not done with the clause that it has to have happened to you personally to be able to participate - the recall is done so that it takes potentially dangerous items off the market and/or fixes them. A lot of these moms save clothes for the next baby, myself included, and there is no way of knowing if the clothes will affect the next child. Just saying.
post #47 of 81
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Originally Posted by kalamos23 View Post
Isn't it much the same as if you brought a toy back that was recalled because it a piece *might* break off and present a choking hazard? Most recalls are not done with the clause that it has to have happened to you personally to be able to participate - the recall is done so that it takes potentially dangerous items off the market and/or fixes them. A lot of these moms save clothes for the next baby, myself included, and there is no way of knowing if the clothes will affect the next child. Just saying.
No, not the same at all.

A choking hazard could kill your kid -- a tag reaction likely won't (the 1 in a trillion kid who is deathly allergic to everything excepted...).

Choking hazards become mandatory recalls. From the OP, this isn't a mandatory recall, it's Carter's trying to keep people happy. If this were to become a mandatory recall, as in the government required Carters to recall all tagless clothing, then I would agree with returning the almost-worn-out clothing.

As it is, if one child got a few months of wear out of a $6 shirt from Carters, I still consider it wrong to return it to Carter's for their full refund. $1-2 maybe... but it's worn, washed and didn't cause your kid any issues. To claim otherwise would be fraudulent.

It's an integrity issue.
post #48 of 81
This is not my chance to return a bunch of clothes to get money back like I won the lottery. I am retuning 6 onesies that I know he had a reaction to and 6 onesies that she might.

I also didn't expect to get a full refund for my clothes. AND also hope they can figure out what's going on. Perhaps my clothes will help them do that.

Had I realized what was causing the burn/ irritation at the time I would have returned them to the store. Is that a fraudulent use of their return policy?

I don't think it is any reflection of my integrity to return clothes that caused my DS harm or might cause my DD harm. You're right he didn't choke or lose an eye, but it hurt him enough to tell me about it. So I will get rid of them. Yes I could just throw them out, but Carter's will take them back so why not.
post #49 of 81
Can I also add to this debate the fact that they are testing all the tags that are returned because a child DID have a reaction? My child DID have a reaction, and it was an allergic one. He had a terrible rash and couldn't sleep more than twenty or thirty minutes without squirming and fussing and he SCREAMED in the car. He ended up in Urgent Care and was given Allegra (Benadryl was doing nothing) and within two hours it was 90% gone. I didn't know WHY this rash all over his upper middle back was there, didn't connect it to a brand new pack of onesies from the outlet. He would get the rash back, what seemed like randomly, and I'd give a dose of Allegra and it'd be gone.

When he grew out of the onesies and I put them away, the rash ceased. So for the PP who is so sure that anyone sending them back is looking for a refund on cheap clothes... You might be wrong. Trust me, I certainly don't need a 12 dollar check from Carter's. They told ME they wanted to test them and I don't want such an item in our bin of hand-me-downs and clothes to save for our next baby. Or even to go on to another baby via Goodwill or something.
post #50 of 81
well if your child had a reaction then you are not who dadinblue is talking about. Those people should return the clothes. People like me, who did not have an issue, should not.
It's a shame this is happening to the kids. I hope in the future they get this figured out.
post #51 of 81
My child had a reaction and because not all of her clothes were Carter's it came & went and I did not figure out that it was from the Carter's stuff. I tried all sorts of other things (like make sure her clothes were washed in expensive non-allergenic soap etc); I remember even telling the Ped about it and she told me it was probably eczema but she wasn't sure. It makes me mad that I couldn't figure it out. It makes me mad that I wasn't contacted (I'm on their mailing list) or that there was no recall...when did they find out about this? I would have returned or thrown out all her Carter's stuff asap! So yeah, I sent all of her old clothes to them. Why do they not test before selling? How else are you going to change a company's standards? IMO you need to hurt their bottom line for them to REALLY take notice. How do I know that this toxic stuff didn't get into her system, does it have long term effects? How can they know? Not happy!
post #52 of 81
I think the PP brings up an interesting point. However, why should I use my child as a guinea pig for Carter's testing? I specifically buy Carter's because of their quality and durability, but I don't think it's fair for the company to NOT take back clothes that are defective. If nothing else, if they do not act, it will damage the reputation of the brand irreversably.
post #53 of 81
post #54 of 81
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Originally Posted by cherimoya View Post
My child had a reaction and because not all of her clothes were Carter's it came & went and I did not figure out that it was from the Carter's stuff. I tried all sorts of other things (like make sure her clothes were washed in expensive non-allergenic soap etc); I remember even telling the Ped about it and she told me it was probably eczema but she wasn't sure. It makes me mad that I couldn't figure it out. It makes me mad that I wasn't contacted (I'm on their mailing list) or that there was no recall...when did they find out about this? I would have returned or thrown out all her Carter's stuff asap! So yeah, I sent all of her old clothes to them. Why do they not test before selling? How else are you going to change a company's standards? IMO you need to hurt their bottom line for them to REALLY take notice. How do I know that this toxic stuff didn't get into her system, does it have long term effects? How can they know? Not happy!
I did the same thing, took foods out of his diet, changed detergent, etc... but it was so odd that it was only on his upper back! It all makes sense now.
post #55 of 81
For what it's worth, even if there's no rash, skin is a main transmission point for phthalates in general. They are used in lots of lotions, shampoos, etc...

I'm so bothered by this whole issue.
post #56 of 81
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Originally Posted by dadinblue View Post
No, not the same at all.

A choking hazard could kill your kid -- a tag reaction likely won't (the 1 in a trillion kid who is deathly allergic to everything excepted...).

Choking hazards become mandatory recalls. From the OP, this isn't a mandatory recall, it's Carter's trying to keep people happy. If this were to become a mandatory recall, as in the government required Carters to recall all tagless clothing, then I would agree with returning the almost-worn-out clothing.

As it is, if one child got a few months of wear out of a $6 shirt from Carters, I still consider it wrong to return it to Carter's for their full refund. $1-2 maybe... but it's worn, washed and didn't cause your kid any issues. To claim otherwise would be fraudulent.

It's an integrity issue.

I completely agree. My DD has a bunch of Carter's stuff but I would never think of returning it after she's worn it successfully for over a year now. I would feel like I was stealing if I sent in the stuff she's outgrown just to get the full value back. Sounds to me like they already have PLENTY of clothing coming back to "test." I will use it as cleaning rags now.

I am SHOCKED to see how many of you have children who have suffered from the tags. I wonder what the percentage is? If it's as high in the "real world" as it is here, I can't imagine why it hasn't been more publicized? I guess it's possible that all it needs is time...

I do hope that all of you who have little ones who suffered from their clothing are better now that you've found the cause!
post #57 of 81
well, i never buy Carters. but we were gift MANY outfits last week and i reteurned them ALL b/c i am not going to use my kids for experimental purposes. I dont like Carter's clothing anyway (yeh, it was cute stuff but my kids have sensitive skin) so it wasnt too hard to return it for me.

and i will make sure not to get any Carter's clothing in the future.

I think this issue should be advertised by Carters. just reading this thread, there are many kids who had reactions and whose moms went through alot trying to figure it all out.

i think thats an integrity issue for Carters.
post #58 of 81
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Originally Posted by PassionateWriter View Post
well, i never buy Carters. but we were gift MANY outfits last week and i reteurned them ALL b/c i am not going to use my kids for experimental purposes. I dont like Carter's clothing anyway (yeh, it was cute stuff but my kids have sensitive skin) so it wasnt too hard to return it for me.

and i will make sure not to get any Carter's clothing in the future.

I think this issue should be advertised by Carters. just reading this thread, there are many kids who had reactions and whose moms went through alot trying to figure it all out.

i think thats an integrity issue for Carters.
Sheesh! DEFINATELY return the dang things if you just got them! I wouldn't knowingly use my kid as a test subject, either! I hope you're able to use the money to find some more cute things! I'm a huge fan of Babystyle, myself. Their cotton is SOOOOO soft and less expensive than Hanna Andersson!
post #59 of 81
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Originally Posted by MyZoeJane View Post
I completely agree. My DD has a bunch of Carter's stuff but I would never think of returning it after she's worn it successfully for over a year now. I would feel like I was stealing if I sent in the stuff she's outgrown just to get the full value back. Sounds to me like they already have PLENTY of clothing coming back to "test." I will use it as cleaning rags now.

I am SHOCKED to see how many of you have children who have suffered from the tags. I wonder what the percentage is? If it's as high in the "real world" as it is here, I can't imagine why it hasn't been more publicized? I guess it's possible that all it needs is time...

I do hope that all of you who have little ones who suffered from their clothing are better now that you've found the cause!
maybe in the "real" world there are moms who just sort of don't care about the kids' rash? i've seen diaper rashes on babies in changing rooms like target, etc and been SHOCKED that the moms don't seem to think much of it. I would have had my kid at the ped in a minute.

MDC moms are, IMO, the most observant, aware and concerned moms I've met. We all worry about rashes because we worry about chemicals and allergies. Lots of moms are like "if they use it in a product, i'm sure it's fine"....
post #60 of 81
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Originally Posted by gretelmom View Post
maybe in the "real" world there are moms who just sort of don't care about the kids' rash? i've seen diaper rashes on babies in changing rooms like target, etc and been SHOCKED that the moms don't seem to think much of it. I would have had my kid at the ped in a minute.

MDC moms are, IMO, the most observant, aware and concerned moms I've met. We all worry about rashes because we worry about chemicals and allergies. Lots of moms are like "if they use it in a product, i'm sure it's fine"....
Believe me, I certainly don't mean to minimize the degree to which most MDC moms will scrutinize every aspect of their child's wellbeing. I mean no disrespect, and I certainly admire you for being so devoted to making sure every detail of your child's life is the very best it can be. I'm sure your ped appreciates it, too! LOL I think I've done the same, mostly... but I do it without all the worrying that you mentioned.

I AM curious how you can see a diaper rash on a child at Target and assume that the mother doesn't think anything of it, though? Is it because she's not fretting and worrying out loud so you can hear her? Mighty presumptive of you, don't you think? My poor DD suffered from thrush rashes several times and I got some weird stares from folks who wondered why her butt was purple. I wonder if I should have been wearing a t shirt that read "It's gentian violet, dummy" so those who assumed the worst would know?

But to stick to the topic at hand... my observation was simply intended to provoke some thought about why this hasn't made the news, or why Carter's hasn't publicized it more? Recalls are an interesting topic to me. I sometimes can't help but wonder how companies stay in business when they face lawsuits that pertain to situations that seem to me to be little more than flukes, you know? (I am not saying that the Carter's tags were a fluke, it seems like there's enough people here on MDC alone to warrant an investigation!) But if one child gets their finger stuck in something by some freak accident, it costs a company millions. Obviously, lead paint and chemical burns are a different story...

I guess I shouldn't feel bad for the companies, though, should I? I suppose that is all built into their bottom line and the cost of the toys is a reflection of the cost of "doing business"... and that business includes giving money to customers who "worry" to the nth degree. I pay more for our toys so the company can cover their bums when Suzie Q sues Mattell because Freddie Q got his big toe stuck in the play vaccuum cleaner...

But this is about Carters, isn't it? Sorry... a little OT there. I'm just curious what people think about the extent of "issues" that recalls will cover...
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