or Connect
Mothering › Mothering Forums › Childhood and Beyond › Education › Learning at Home and Beyond › Unschooling › What would you do if CPS showed up at your door?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

What would you do if CPS showed up at your door?

post #1 of 50
Thread Starter 
The hotlined thread has me thinking. I do no know what i would do if someone called CPS on us. I know for a fact that a lot of our family does not agree with unschooling and thinks we are neglecting the kids off all things possible in regards to school, socialization, and education. Because you know busses and recess are so important.

Anyway what would you do? OP in the other thread did wonderfully but I can just picture myself freaking out in the situation, shutting the door in their face, and calling DH balling my eyes out to ask what to do. (He is a social worker) My house is always a disaster. I mean we have 6 people who are always in the middle of some project or game and its scattered about, I can never keep up on the laundry, etc. So while its clean its cluttered and looks like a disaster.
post #2 of 50
I'll have to go read the other thread....

But, in this particular case I'd simply tell them that we are homeschoolers legally registered with the state. We are fortunate to have an umbrella school that the state recognizes -- and the umbrella school deeply respects unschooling.

Before the move here to Maryland, we lived in Indiana, where there was no legal requirement to register or do anything in particular.

In that case I would have said that my children were homeschooled and that the state of Indiana recognizes homeschools as equal to private schools.

Thankfully it has never happened, though, and after I tried very hard to say the 'right' things -- I'm sure I'd be shaking and ready to loose it when they were gone...
post #3 of 50
Well, I would direct them to my school board/facilitator if they had any questions about her education. As for the state of my house - well, what can I say. At least it SMELLS clean!
post #4 of 50
If they didn't call ahead of time, I wouldn't open the door. I don't open the door for people I don't know. Period. I don't care who they are.
post #5 of 50
I'd call a lawyer
post #6 of 50
Man it's a tough question. I'm completely torn between thinking I'd say they are welcome to call me and make an appointment and in the mean time I'd contact a lawyer, and letting them in because I have nothing to 'hide'.
post #7 of 50
Oops, I thought this was in TAO (we're not unschoolers).
post #8 of 50
When CPS comes calling, there is no good answer.

If you let them in, they consider you waiving your fourth amendment rights. Anything they see can be misconstrued to fit their expectations.

If you refuse to let them in, they will return with a police officer who will try to persuade you.

You can refuse to let BOTH of them in, in which case they will have to prove their case before a judge and obtain a search warrant. If they return with a warrant, it is now a criminal case and they probably lied and exaggerated the facts to get the warrant.

My personal experience is that you have more rights in a criminal proceeding than a "family court" hearing.

But most people on these forums think if you have nothing to hide, let them in.

I suggest that you video and audio tape them if you let them since they should have nothing to hide either. And make sure you have plenty of tough looking relatives to witness the situation. And no matter what they say, they do not have the right to talk to your children without you there.

You have not been convicted of anything.

You have the right to face your accuser.
post #9 of 50
We had CPS show up at our door once (my son, who was 3 at the time, was running around outside with no pants on and that offended someone driving by). I walked her through our house--in the front door and out the back door, so that she could see that our house wasn't a pit of squalor or something. I insisted that we speak outside in our gazebo under the guise of having fresh air but it was really because I didn't want her poking around in my house.

When we got outside I pretty much controlled the conversation. I'm not a rude or assertive person in general but I've heard enough about CPS harassing homeschoolers/non vaxxers/homebirthers/people like us that I wasn't going to give her a chance to ask questions that were none of her business to ask.
post #10 of 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by mary3mama View Post
We are fortunate to have an umbrella school that the state recognizes -- and the umbrella school deeply respects unschooling.
Are you with MPNL? Or is there another unschooling-friendly umbrella in MD? :

Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
I'd call a lawyer
Yep. Me too.

And I should just say a big : to Applejuice.
I'm really bad with authority figures anyway, so I'm bound to be confrontational, and start spouting off my rights and yelling at them to get the hell off my property. Maybe I'd remember to get a business card from them first.
I'd definitely rather deal with court, where I (supposedly) have to be found guilty, than CPS where I have to be found innocent.
post #11 of 50
I have been told that it's never a good idea to let CPS enter the house w/o a warrant. A friend of mine was visited by CPS for homeschooling and she called HSLDA. They advised her not to allow the sw inside the house. You might have nothing to hide, but an sw who has no understanding of homeschooling may find a reason to pursue the case. If the sw has already been let in, I don't think you can stop them from coming in again. I personally would not let an sw in w/o a warrant. I'm thinking of joining HSLDA to have access to protection (though hopefully we never need it). I've heard they're not very supportive of unschooling through.
post #12 of 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by milehighmonkeys View Post
If they didn't call ahead of time, I wouldn't open the door. I don't open the door for people I don't know. Period. I don't care who they are.

I'm not well versed in CPS issues, but I agree with the above sentiment.
post #13 of 50
They couldn't come in my house without a warrant. I would be willing to bring my son to the door so they could see that he was fine, but that's it. Then I'd call an attorney.

I have nothing to hide, but I wouldn't chance it. I think suspicion from CPS is a major deal and not to be taken lightly. I would be worried that we'd have an agent that was aggressive and would interrogate us over things they personally didn't like, rather than things that were abusive, neglectful, or against the law. I absolutely would want to make sure my family's rights were protected in every step.
post #14 of 50
I would not let them in the house. I would talk to them outside - perhaps.

You never know whether it is a reasonable worker visiting - or not. I am not willing to take that chance.

If they want to get inside - well let the burden of getting a warrant fall to them.

At least it will give me a chance to clean up, lol!

kathy
post #15 of 50
I would call my lawyer and hand the phone through the door. I would NEVER let them through the door or allow them to talk to my children. EVER!!!
post #16 of 50
i'd never let anyone, cops or CPS in my home without a warrant. if asked, i'd let them see casi and say "hi" but not ask him questions, mostly because it could be emotionally troubling for him... or any kid. i wouldn't sign anything from CPS without legal advice and, without an attorney, i would only answer oral questions that i was extremely comfortable with.


i think it's disgusting that, as soon as we become parents, anyone who disagrees with our methods/lifestyle has this nifty card they can pull anytime they want to start trouble. i think CPS needs to get a lot more sh*t in line before knocking on doors and scaring the kids they're supposedly trying to protect. :
post #17 of 50
I don't open the door, either, unless I see a UPS truck out front.

We have doors where you can't see who is out there before opening. You have to look out a window of an adjacent room. Friends never stop by without calling. We had our door busted open by a man with a knife a few years ago, a shooting murder 3 blocks away last week, a little old lady a few blocks away in the other direction beaten to death in March. I'm not paranoid.

I'm not actually worried about CPS, though, even though our place is frequently really messy. I'm pretty sure case workers around here know what true neglect is. I'm sure not being hung over, drunk, or strung out would go far in my favor.
post #18 of 50
i used to be a lawyer for cps so this is an interesting question. the range of case workers is phenominal from fully and greatly competent to "oh geez, how the he!! did you get a job." i wouldn't sign anything and i would make an appointment for them to see my house. but i would be VERY nice about it. pissing off a casework can create so many problems. a sad fact, but true. however, in my office there were two other homebirthing mamas and a non-vaxing mom so if the case ever got legs, i know that some attorneys would be able to shine some light (sort of like how the senate is supposed to slow down the house).
post #19 of 50
I really wouldn't be worried about a CPS visit. My house is always reasonably clean, we have a pediatrician who we see fairly regularly, I'm clearly well-versed in my child's medical history because of a defect he was born with, and our unschooling is completely legit with the state. I come off really well to people in positions of authority, generally, and have never had a problem appearing normal/intelligent/reasonable.

So to that end, I'd probably do much as the OP in the other thread did - discuss the issue at the door and decide from there depending on the level of hostility. I wouldn't expect much hostility though. I'm lucky enough to have the benefits and privileges of being white, middle class, and well-educated. That goes pretty far in America, sad to say.

I suppose ultimately the level of hositility would likely depend on the complaint as well. No one we know openly opposes our unschooling though (everyone knows we unschool, not just homeschool), so if CPS were called, I don't think that'd be the reason.
post #20 of 50
How would you feel about a caseworker walking through your immaculate home, talking to your beautiful, healthy children in your absence, casting doubt on your venerable pediatrician, and outright lying? Do you think it does not happen?

It has happened to me and it has happened more than once.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Unschooling
Mothering › Mothering Forums › Childhood and Beyond › Education › Learning at Home and Beyond › Unschooling › What would you do if CPS showed up at your door?