who originally decided that eatings lots of fruits & veggies was healthy? - Page 2

[Koalamom]

Another example of liviong old with veggies:

The Delany sister lived to be I think 109 and 106? In their book, they said that they took cod liver oil first thing in the morning with a clove of raw garlic, ate a big breakfast of oatmeal, bread, fruit, eggs, and for lunch, meat, and ate a dairy dinner. They said that their rule is to eat 7 diffderent types of veggies every day, and did. They also ate lots of fruit, (and even a little wine). But they did get enough other foods as required in the previous email. They were also very active and did yoga every day (except Sundays).
I thin k that without the fruits and veggies, they couldn't have lived as long, butI think that all the othet food intakes counted. We need to be balanced.

[Brisen]

Originally Posted by Gale Force

I wonder if it's that people didn't eat them or if Price didn't really focus on them in his study. They are less nutrient dense by weight, but are more so by calorie for some nutrients.

I feel healthiest in late summer when I am eating tons of produce from my garden, along with my meats and other foods.

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Originally Posted by LoMaH

Sorry, I don't have the answer to the original question.

However, I hope that I’m being helpful by providing some links and excerpts to clarify the common misconception that Dr. Price advocated a high protein, low carb diet, excluding fruit and vegetables... which he didn’t.

I was going to post along these lines, but your info was much more comprehensive. Dr. Price said that the equivalent of an egg was as much animal protein that was needed each day. The way I've read N&PD and NT is that properly prepared vegetables are as important to good health as good fats & animal protein.

[Viola]

Originally Posted by mamadelbosque

I think traditionally, people gorged themselves in the spring/summer/fall on fresh fruits & veggies, and preserved what they could (drying for example) for the winter, but basicly over the winter subsisted on meat, grains, dairy, etc, and then re-gorged themselves in the spring d coming back up and being available again.

Since we don't have that cycle of gorging and abstaining anymore, we recommend a "5 a day" to average it all out. But thats just my opinion.

That was my thought as well.

I also think that with the rise of modern farming methods where we couldn't get as many nutrients from meat or milk because of the way animals were kept/fed, getting vitamins from other sources was necessary.

[godusjourney]

Just adding my two cents. I was raised with massive amounts of raw veggies and small amounts of raw fruits (mostly apples and such), and then spent 3 years as a raw vegan. I don't think I need to tell you just how much of my diet was fruits and veggies! It was a LOT. Now I'm interested in Anthropological Nutrition - so that means a Paleolithic Diet and Weston A. Price's findings.

From what I've read/watched/etc. it seems like a healthy combination of loads of minimally prepared veggies (and small amounts of fruits) - so that could mean fermented, gentley cooked, or raw - and a equal amount of fats and proteins - meat, animal fat, small amounts of plant-based fats, and raw dairy if it is in your ancestry - appears to be pretty evolutionarily sound. I'm still on the fence over grains (mostly because my body hates them), but I think that really depends on a person's ancestry, environmental, and current health situation.

It seems to me that we spent a great deal of our evolutionary time in tropical climates, where plant foods are in abundance year-round. But, animal foods and fat are definitely more energy-dense foods - which is why we most likely gravitated towards them. But with the plant foods surrounding them, I can't imagine them not eating them - especially when animal foods weren't 100% guaranteed. I also agree with the pp(s) that suggest that those who lived in northern climates most likely ate massive amounts of fruits and veggies during the summer/autumn, stored up what they could for winter, and then ate what they could during the cold-time. I think you could get a general sense of this from looking at the festivals that were so important to them (they usually were all about food and feasting, or looking forward to that time).

As far as the 5-a-day slogan promoted by the FDA, well, good intentions or not, I think most of us could agree that most things promoted by the food-division of the government is not necessarily healthy and probably based on money. So I tend to just disregard any advice they might have nearly altogether, and seek for my own personal balance based on my own research.

Personally, as far as colon function goes - I did a little experiment a while back. I drank green smoothies for breakfast for a couple months (no fat), then I did a coconut milk-based smoothie with loads of coconut oil, other fats, greens, berries, and such. The fat-laden smoothie improved my bowel function much, much more than the fat-absent green smoothie did. It was quite eye opening for me.

So, for me, it's all about that fine tuned personal balance!

[LoMaH]

Originally Posted by godusjourney

Just adding my two cents. I was raised with massive amounts of raw veggies and small amounts of raw fruits (mostly apples and such), and then spent 3 years as a raw vegan. I don't think I need to tell you just how much of my diet was fruits and veggies! It was a LOT. ...<snip>......
I'm still on the fence over grains (mostly because my body hates them), but I think that really depends on a person's ancestry, environmental, and current health situation.

godusjourney
I also would like to add that when you omit specific food groups from your diet for long periods of time, you lose the flora in your gut that help you digest those particular foods. So, in order to rebuild the army of good bacteria that help you digest certain foods, some people have had success by eating the fermented type of that food group.
For ex.- introducing kefir, yogurt for those having difficulty with dairy.
Body Ecology (Grain & Salt society- I have absolutely no affiliation to neither) has a fermented drink made with grains that has helped some people to reintroduce grains into their diet. They either drink the product directly or they soak their grains overnight with it.
It may work for you.
Here's the link
https://shop.bodyecology.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GF002

[godusjourney]

Originally Posted by LoMaH

godusjourney
I also would like to add that when you omit specific food groups from your diet for long periods of time, you lose the flora in your gut that help you digest those particular foods. So, in order to rebuild the army of good bacteria that help you digest certain foods, some people have had success by eating the fermented type of that food group.
For ex.- introducing kefir, yogurt for those having difficulty with dairy.
Body Ecology (Grain & Salt society- I have absolutely no affiliation to neither) has a fermented drink made with grains that has helped some people to reintroduce grains into their diet. They either drink the product directly or they soak their grains overnight with it.
It may work for you.
Here's the link
https://shop.bodyecology.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GF002

Thanks I'll check into that! It would make sense since I ate grains so little as a child (we were mostly raw vegan). Maybe I've never really had the gut flora to digest them, because of my lack of eating them. They make my tummy hurt and cause me to gain weight like there is no tomorrow! I guess I worry that that will never go away. I'll have to look into that drink more...hmmm... Thanks!