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post #1 of 9
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Yesterday my dd had her 15 month well baby visit. At first, my husband and I had discussed selective and delayed vaxes. I was scared into doing DTaP by her pediatrician. She had the shot twice- 4 and 6 months. Then I started researching and reading more. It never felt right for us. We were using all natural food-grade shampoo, lotion and diaper rash cream. When she hit 6 months I was steaming and pureeing all of her organic fruits and vegetables; yet we allowed her to have two needles full of chemicals and toxins injected into her tiny little body. Didn't make sense so we stopped.

She has never been sick. The only time she sees the doctor is for her wb visits. I really do like and respect her doctor. At the end of each visit though I am always made to feel awkward, because she'll ask which vaccines I am allowing at that visit and I always say were not doing any. At least not for now. She gets visibly irritated and throws in some little tid bit about this disease or that and how dd needs to be protected from it.

Yesterday at her 15 month appt the doc asked if I had planned on any vaccines for that visit and I said no, that we weren't considering any until sometime after 2. (Which isn't a complete lie. We're not 100 percent sure yet that we will never allow her to get any. Definitely not now though). Anyway, she interrupted me and cut me off and said, "You know what, at this point I'm just going to have you sign a waiver!" She threw up her hands and marched out of the office to get a waiver. She brought it back. It was a paper from the AAP that she had checked off all of the vaccines that she had recommended and I refused. It stated that she had suggested and explained these vaccines and I was responsible if my child developed a vpd and/or infected any other person! I was so caught off guard and I'm not a confrontational person. Is that normal? Have any of you been asked to sign something like that?

She left the room for me to look over it. When she came back in she said, "I just want you to know that I hope to continue to see your glorious little girl as my patient." She also said, "Keep an eye on the news. There have been some measles outbreaks and some children are now blind or retarded because their parents decided not to vaccinate!" She also said that I was needlessly worrying about the toxins and chemicals when I should be worried about the disease. It was strange. I don't know if I should look for a different doctor or keep seeing her, but skip out on wb visits since there are no problems and she's not getting any vaccines?

I do have a few questions that I don't feel like I can ask her and feel confident that most of you on this forum would be more knowledgeable than her about anyway.

- If you're not vaccinating for certain diseases (i.e. measels, chickenpox) that used to be a normal part of childhood, but are now rare, what do you intend to do if your child hasn't caught them by their late teens? Do you talk it over with your child and decide to get/or not get the vaccine at that time. I know things like measels and chicken pox can be much more serious for adults than for children so I want to know if she doesn't happen upon the virus naturally, is there ever a "good" time to vaccinate? I've heard about chicken pox and measels parties too, but I'm still wondering what if she doesn't get these naturally...

I still get nervous as to whether or not we've made the right decisions for her sometimes, but I feel more empowered when I have a few minutes and can jump on this forum and read the things that all of you have to say. I appreciate your comments and advice.
post #2 of 9
Sounds like you're being "fired" from her practice unless you sign and/or start vaxing. I'd be really wary if my doctor used a word like retarded when discussing her other patients. I'd also be totally affronted that she's putting the blame for VPDs on non-vaxing parents rather than on the disease itself. That would make me really defensive any time I had to bring a sick kid to her for help. It would make me uncomfortable, like she's going to report me for whatever my kid has contracted rather than helping us come up with a treatment plan that works for our family.

Your questions:
No, we're not vaxing during the teenage years. I'm kind of into the vax research, though, so I assume things could always change 10 years from now when the vax ingredients change, the general state of US healthcare changes, and we know more about the long-term effects of those particular shots. Right now I can't imagine picking the shots at any time.
post #3 of 9
I'm sure she needs protection from law suits, which is why she asked for the waiver. What if a child did contract a VPD and as a result became handicapped or died? The parent could sue the ped, saying the ped hadn't explained the dangers. She has to protect herself. I don't think that's at all unreasonable (and may even be required by her insurance company, for all I know).

It sounds like she's happy to remain your ped. I'd sign and go on.
post #4 of 9
You can discuss a modified form. I signed that one when I was a new mother, on one of our only two visits to the doc. I regret it, and I wouldn't do it again.

Do you really like this woman? I would not be comfortable continuing a professional client/provider relationship with someone who treated me like that.

As for her liability, when I see the medical community take genuine and honest responsibility for the risks to these shots, then their river of tears will have more weight.
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for the info. I have a lot to think about. I'm not comfortable with her using the word "retarded" either.

I just want the best for my baby...
post #6 of 9
I went through that a few times...i kept looking for another PED

I found a family practitioner....

I would NEVER EVER use a pediatrician again...i think they are the most corrupt and untrustworthy in the entire medical field....

If there were no vaccinations most of them would need to find another field to practice in...thier career revolves around vaccinations, they'd be broke without the mandates.... they have extreme conflict of interest, the fact that they don't and won't acknowledge the damage the vaccine program is and has done to our children...is inhumane... they don't report reactions, they won't acknowledge there is a problem....that is enough for me to say this is the last person i would trust near my child....i don't believe any kids in any of the recent outbreaks has suffered any permanent or disableing problems from the measles....measles was once a common disease that ran it's course and noone blinked an eye...but when the vaccines came out...they all of a sudden became crippling death defying plagues.
post #7 of 9
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Thank you all for the info. I have a lot to think about. I'm not comfortable with her using the word "retarded" either.

I just want the best for my baby...
There is nothing wrong with the word retarded when used in a medical/developmental sense. My son has special needs, and while it's too early to determine now, many children with his syndrome have at least mild mental retardation. I am not offended by the term at all, as long as it is used appropriately. (i.e. if you call someone a 'retard' or 'tard' who is not mentally retarded, it is probably being used in a rude/offensive way. But my son is grouped in with all children who have mental retardation and/or developmental disabilities)

There actually was a thread recently in the Special Needs forum about this. None of us are offended by the word when used appropriately.

As for the refusal form, my ped did eventually ask me to sign one, and I fully understand that it is for audit purposes. They are required by the AAP to offer vaccines to their patients, so they have to prove that they have offered them. I do not agree with the wording of the form, so I edited it. I crossed out the parts I did not agree with, and I added information I felt was missing (i.e. the risks of the vaccines, my son's particular medical issues I felt contraindicated vaccination, etc) My ped had no problem with that.
post #8 of 9
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Originally Posted by cupcake'smom View Post

- If you're not vaccinating for certain diseases (i.e. measels, chickenpox) that used to be a normal part of childhood, but are now rare, what do you intend to do if your child hasn't caught them by their late teens?
Even if the child were vaccinated for those diseases, by late teen years they are no longer immune anyway. So all teens are in the same situation.
Besides, we never know for certain when a child has had a childhood disease in a way where you can not tell from the symptoms. Happens quite a bit. My own son-in-law never had chicken pox and when he got tested to enter med school, he showed immunity.



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Do you talk it over with your child and decide to get/or not get the vaccine at that time.
In my opinion that's not for a child to decide. And no, we will not vaccinate at any time.


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I've heard about chicken pox and measels parties too, but I'm still wondering what if she doesn't get these naturally...
We have had no luck with chicken pox parties and figured there must be already enough immunity present.


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I still get nervous as to whether or not we've made the right decisions for her sometimes, but I feel more empowered when I have a few minutes and can jump on this forum and read the things that all of you have to say.
imo, you made the right decision. It was the only choice.

Just read more and learn more. Eventually you'll see that vaccines are very damaging and create patients for life for big pHARMa. It is truly a racket.
post #9 of 9
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My own son-in-law never had chicken pox and when he got tested to enter med school, he showed immunity.
Similar to me, I never had cp but when I was pg I was tested for immunity (titer, I suppose?) and was found immune to it. You could have your dd tested too.
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