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We had our 2 month check-up this week, and after much researching and discussion, DH and I decided that DS would just get the HiB at this visit. I told the ped that we were not planning to do Prevnar and were undecided on RotaTeq. (We also are not doing Polio, and are not doing Hep B in childhood). I also said we were planning to do DTaP at a later visit, but were feeling uncomfortable about the aluminum and possible reactions to the shot.

Then, of course, our ped tried to talk up all the positives of the vaxes and tried to dismiss some of my concerns (the neighborhood that I live in, which this ped office serves, is very "crunchy" and there are most likely many non-vaxing or s/d-vaxing parents...) I wouldn't say she tried to "force" me to change my mind...more that she was trying to share her viewpoint. She gave me some handouts that another doc in the practice had gotten together for "parents with concerns" - none of which really addressed my concerns - one was an article by Offit.

Anyway, here's my Prevnar question. We decided to not do this one because my understanding was that the 7 strains currently covered are no longer the most common ones (not to mention the aluminum). Do I have that right? Or is it that those strains are still as common, but not the ones causing doc visits/hospitalizations because of the success of Prevnar? I read something that said the 7 strains covered are the 7 most likely to cause meningitis? Is that true? Do the other Pc strains not cause meningitis? I read the Pink Book and other stuff, but don't feel clear on this. The main reason we got the HiB for our EBF, stay-at-home baby was because he will be around a great-grandmother from time to time who lives in an assisted-living facility, as well as with the grandparents who visit great-grandma every day. Ped said that would be a good enough reason to go ahead with the Prevnar, too...since both HiB and Pc may be more prevalent in the assisted-living community.

Also, she suggested that DS is at risk for infectious diseases when I take him to New Mom Support Group and LLL meetings because we're with a bunch of other babies. I was wondering about this. At this point he just is on my lap, often in his sling, throughout the meeting. He's not playing on the floor, grabbing things, putting things in mouth yet. When he's old enough for that stuff, we'll bring our own toys. I know going to daycare or being part of a big playgroup is a risk, but sitting in a meeting with other moms and babies (and sometimes toddlers)....is that a risk?
post #2 of 9
Here's an article on Prevnar, with the links

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...-vaccines-iii/

There is also one on Hib.

HTH/
post #3 of 9
NAK

Hopefully someone will add to this but I don't believe Hib is a concern at all if you're nursing.

I never thought about my daughter being more at risk LLL.
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post #5 of 9
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Thanks for the replies. I had read the Pc/HiB "blogs" ar Inside Vaccines, but I read them again today.

Help me out, though...cuz I'm not sure I found answers to all my questions. It sounds like acute ear infections are just as much of a risk, if not more so, if we do Prevnar, but I'm not clear on the meningitis risk.

Is it true that the 7 strains covered in Prevnar are the 7 Pc strains most commonly causing meningitis? Do other strains/serotypes cause meningitis too? Is the meningitis risk reduced any by using Prevnar?
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It sounds like acute ear infections are just as much of a risk, if not more so, if we do Prevnar, but I'm not clear on the meningitis risk.
Ear infections as well as meningitis can be caused by a lot of bacteria. If you vaccinate for three or four of the bacteria that have up to now caused most of the problem, other bacteria come in and do the same damage or worse. And they are not covered by any vaccine.

That is a trick they use: Vaccines work because we found that the strains that used to cause meningitis is no longer a problem.

What they don't tell you: Meningitis has gone up since the vaccine because of other bacteria being the cause.



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Is it true that the 7 strains covered in Prevnar are the 7 Pc strains most commonly causing meningitis? Do other strains/serotypes cause meningitis too? Is the meningitis risk reduced any by using Prevnar?
There are lots of bacteria or viruses that can and do cause meningitis. The 7 strains covered by Prevnar are no longer a problem. But the risk of meningitis has not been reduced nor has the amount of kids seen with meningitis.

It is all a balancing act and they are messing with that big time. There is too much money involved to admit that the CDC made a terrible mistake when they accepted vaccines against certain bacteria. Because they are totally getting out of hand in vaccinated kids. There is no end to vaccines now because a new bacteria is evolving after every vaccine.

Vaccines are nothing more than guess work and I'm guessing they don't belong in our body. Mother Nature is retaliating. Our kids are sicker than they have ever been previously in history.
post #7 of 9
There are certainly other bacteria that cause meningitis, as it is just an inflammation of the meninges. Mamakay is much more expert than I am (I just knew there were a few things at iv about it). This quote is from the Lancet article cited:
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“FINDINGS: We noted no reduction of AOM episodes in the pneumococcal vaccine group compared with controls (intention-to-treat analysis: rate ratio 1.25, 95% CI 0.99-1.57). Although nasopharyngeal carriage of pneumococci of serotypes included in the conjugate-vaccine was greatly reduced after pneumococcal vaccinations, immediate and complete replacement by non-vaccine pneumococcal serotypes took place.”
So, this makes explicit that non-vaccine strains are jumping in to fill the gap. As for the strains implicated in meningitis, I'll have to do a little research. My logic would suggest that, if the shift to non-vax strains hasn't taken place yet, statistically, it will. But I don't know.
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Unfortunately, some of the graphs are no longer available, but here is the surveillance.:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/abcs/survreports.htm

Yes, as far as I know, Prevnar only addresses the 7 strains that WERE most prevalant prior to the vaccination.
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