Charting to Avoid October, November, December 2008 - Page 40

[luvmi2kids]

Yep!!

Ya we are so I am glad you see it that way!!!

[CanidFL]

Originally Posted by luvmi2kids

Wow I really don't want to say.. But the first word is Butt..Fing Ya I don't tend to go there either but I was trying to figure it out.. Really I am Ashamed I even went there. :

that is so funny. I was wondering why you reacted strongly to that. Don't worry, my mind is in the gutter a lot too.

[luvmi2kids]

Lol

[momongeon]

Originally Posted by luvmi2kids

Wow I really don't want to say.. But the first word is Butt..Fing Ya I don't tend to go there either but I was trying to figure it out.. Really I am Ashamed I even went there. :

Well either way we are all done BFing here. :nana: I have a hard time with some of the short hand too. I have to laugh at myself sometimes when my mind goes where no one dares to go

[Arwyn]

BM always equals "bowel movement" to me the first time I read it. Makes some threads look really funny.


And in other news, we started! : We've been saying we're going to start charting for months now, and last week I pulled out the BBT, but this morning Gary actually remembered, and we have a temp! :

Ok, so it's not much, but it's a start, right? A journey of a thousand "deeds" begins with one early morning temp.

[MarineWife]

Yeah, I know it's user failure and not method failure. However, I've never actually "known" anyone who got pg while using condoms or the pill or any other form of bc except FAM. In just the 4 or 5 months I've been in this group there have been at least 4 people who got pg accidentally while using this method. I'm not knocking the method. I'd still recommend over anything else. I just find all the oopses interesting.

luvmi2kids ~ I'm not sure where you're getting the 8 day lp stuff from. Yes, it is possible to get a + hpt at 8dpo but that's not the same as having an 8 day lp. An 8 day lp would almost certainly not sustain a pg. If you are saying you would have an 8 day lp because of when you think AF should show based on your past cycles, you can't predict when your AF will show if you haven't even Oed yet. Not sure how much of that makes sense but I hope some of it does.

I've never even thought about my thermometer being cold. I keep mine under my pillow so it's easy to get to. Before I had babies in the bed, and therefore a bedrail, I kept it in the nightstand drawer. I never noticed that it was particularly cold. I don't think that should matter.

Yay, Arwyn!

[MarineMommy]

Thanks ladies for looking at my chart. I guess I am not worried about my temps as much as the symptoms I had. I was sure with the cramping during my fertile fluid time that I was going to O, which is why I was asking if DS picking up the frequency of nursing could cause O to not happen. Anyway, thanks!!

[Laggie]

About the thermometer giving different temps - I had a fever thermometer at first and I found it would do that. If I took my temperature over and over, each one would be 0.2 degrees higher until it eventually would give me a correct temp and stop rising. I think it just didn't wait long enough, because it always beeped after about 30 seconds, whereas the new BBT one I got takes a lot longer. I'm not sure if I explained that clearly, but... my temperatures are more in the 'normal' range now, whereas with the first thermometer they seemed really low.

As for it being difficult to resist in the heat of the moment - I have to make sure that DP knows beforehand whether it is a 'safe' day or not. Otherwise it's very, very hard to resist temptation, and counting on ME to have to say stop is... not smart. If I make sure he knows beforehand, then it's both of our responsibility. We're also being overly cautious and using condoms from day 6 to 3 DPO, and withdrawal on the 'safe' days.

[luvmi2kids]

Oh I see...

Marine--- oh I see ya I based that info off of Charts that have gotten a Positive in 8 days after they Oed so I thought that could be that same as in Haveing O and having your Period 8 days later. i just thought that it Proved that if someone did ovulate 8 days Prior to Period that it could be able to be A sticky baby.

Ok I really need to get a book,, But if you all can answer this one too, even though you have Fertial CM(look Im using short hand) doesn't mean that you have O ed.. Is that right..? I really think I did O this month but not sure when I was screwing with the temps, and I am not sure about two of them.. So that could be why there is no O... I am just learning how to Chart the first month was fine.. It is just this month it is so crazy cold.. :

Thanks

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by MarineMommy

I was sure with the cramping during my fertile fluid time that I was going to O, which is why I was asking if DS picking up the frequency of nursing could cause O to not happen.

Nursing frequency can definitely affect your hormones, which can affect your cycles. I've never come across any very specific info about exactly how O is delayed, like if you could be on the brink of Oing and then have something really stressful happen that would stop it or if you have to be under a great deal of stress for an extended time before it would affect your cycles. I've read that stress and illness can delay O but, personally, I think it probably has to be pretty extreme stress or illness. I doubt a common cold or a little extra stress over a special event would delay O. I don't really know that, though. That's just my common sense guess based on what I've read and what I know about how hormones work.

Your question is a perfect example of how temping can be helpful. Going by just CF and how you feel cannot definitively confirm O so that's how accidents can happen.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by luvmi2kids

Marine--- oh I see ya I based that info off of Charts that have gotten a Positive in 8 days after they Oed so I thought that could be that same as in Haveing O and having your Period 8 days later. i just thought that it Proved that if someone did ovulate 8 days Prior to Period that it could be able to be A sticky baby.

If you normally only have 8 days between O and AF, that most likely would not support a pregnancy. You need a minimum of a 10 day LP but even that is borderline.

Originally Posted by luvmi2kids

Ok I really need to get a book,, But if you all can answer this one too, even though you have Fertial CM(look Im using short hand) doesn't mean that you have O ed.. Is that right..? I really think I did O this month but not sure when I was screwing with the temps, and I am not sure about two of them.. So that could be why there is no O... I am just learning how to Chart the first month was fine.. It is just this month it is so crazy cold.. :

Thanks

Right, fertile CF and other signs of impending O like pains and spotting do not definitively confirm O. Aside from blood tests and/or ultrasounds the only thing that can definitively confirm O is temping.

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Nursing frequency can definitely affect your hormones, which can affect your cycles. I've never come across any very specific info about exactly how O is delayed, like if you could be on the brink of Oing and then have something really stressful happen that would stop it or if you have to be under a great deal of stress for an extended time before it would affect your cycles. I've read that stress and illness can delay O but, personally, I think it probably has to be pretty extreme stress or illness. I doubt a common cold or a little extra stress over a special event would delay O. I don't really know that, though. That's just my common sense guess based on what I've read and what I know about how hormones work.

Your question is a perfect example of how temping can be helpful. Going by just CF and how you feel cannot definitively confirm O so that's how accidents can happen.

I had similar thought patterns as you, Marinewife, until a couple of cycles ago. I had started having EWCM and then I got a cold, not a bad cold but just a regular cold. It pushed back my O for a week. The whole time I had EWCM. So I had a longer cycle that time because I didn't O until CD 22.

[mommy2two babes]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Yeah, I know it's user failure and not method failure. However, I've never actually "known" anyone who got pg while using condoms or the pill or any other form of bc except FAM. In just the 4 or 5 months I've been in this group there have been at least 4 people who got pg accidentally while using this method. I'm not knocking the method. I'd still recommend over anything else. I just find all the oopses interesting.

I just find this funny because I have one of each pill and condoms.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

I had similar thought patterns as you, Marinewife, until a couple of cycles ago. I had started having EWCM and then I got a cold, not a bad cold but just a regular cold. It pushed back my O for a week. The whole time I had EWCM. So I had a longer cycle that time because I didn't O until CD 22.

Interesting. Do you usually O around the same time every cycle otherwise? Since my cycles are so irregular and I can sometimes have weeks of fertile CF before O, I don't think I could tell if illness or stress caused delayed O.

Originally Posted by mommy2two babes

I just find this funny because I have one of each pill and condoms.

Now I know of someone this happened to. I was thinking about this more. Until now, I had never even known of someone who got pg while using bc other than FAM.

[CanidFL]

Originally Posted by mommy2two babes

I just find this funny because I have one of each pill and condoms.

It obviously can happen since nothing is fool proof. But I have to agree with Marinewife on this. In our little group of what 20-30 women, we have had 4-6 ooops pregnancies in the past few months. That is a rather large number compared to people like you who got pregnant on the pill or with a condom. I must say....you are very fertile to have 2 BC babies

Originally Posted by luvmi2kids

Ok I really need to get a book,, But if you all can answer this one too, even though you have Fertial CM(look Im using short hand) doesn't mean that you have O ed.. Is that right..? I really think I did O this month but not sure when I was screwing with the temps, and I am not sure about two of them.. So that could be why there is no O... I am just learning how to Chart the first month was fine.. It is just this month it is so crazy cold.. :

Yes, you can have EWCM and not O. Check out some of my charts. You need to confirm O with a temp shift.

Originally Posted by Laggie

As for it being difficult to resist in the heat of the moment - I have to make sure that DP knows beforehand whether it is a 'safe' day or not. Otherwise it's very, very hard to resist temptation, and counting on ME to have to say stop is... not smart. If I make sure he knows beforehand, then it's both of our responsibility. We're also being overly cautious and using condoms from day 6 to 3 DPO, and withdrawal on the 'safe' days.

That is great when you are both actively TTA. It's harder for me since DH wanted another one for so long so I always had to be the one to say no

Originally Posted by MarineMommy

Thanks ladies for looking at my chart. I guess I am not worried about my temps as much as the symptoms I had. I was sure with the cramping during my fertile fluid time that I was going to O, which is why I was asking if DS picking up the frequency of nursing could cause O to not happen. Anyway, thanks!!

Yep, frequent nursing could supress O.

[mommy2two babes]

Originally Posted by CanidFL

It obviously can happen since nothing is fool proof. But I have to agree with Marinewife on this. In our little group of what 20-30 women, we have had 4-6 ooops pregnancies in the past few months. That is a rather large number compared to people like you who got pregnant on the pill or with a condom. I must say....you are very fertile to have 2 BC babies

Thats why I figured charting was my best bet. On the pill I had nasty side effects at a higher dose and the lower one caused breakthrough bleeding and my DD. DS was just a fluke condom failure.

[Arwyn]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Now I know of someone this happened to. I was thinking about this more. Until now, I had never even known of someone who got pg while using bc other than FAM.

My brother was an IUD baby. I got pregnant (and miscarried) at 17 using condoms. Ny mom's receptionist got pregnant using condoms, then pills, then condom AND pills. My friend got pregnant using Plan B.

So there ya go.

[Laggie]

Originally Posted by CanidFL

That is great when you are both actively TTA. It's harder for me since DH wanted another one for so long so I always had to be the one to say no

Ah... I wish... Nope, I'm not 'allowed' any babies. I'm the one hoping for an oops. Actually it was very weird for me to recently realize that the thought of getting pregnant had gone from total turn-off to total turn-ON for me. which makes it very, very difficult to say stop. Although the word babydance still makes me hurl. It irritates me that it says BD on fertility friend.

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Interesting. Do you usually O around the same time every cycle otherwise? Since my cycles are so irregular and I can sometimes have weeks of fertile CF before O, I don't think I could tell if illness or stress caused delayed O.



Now I know of someone this happened to. I was thinking about this more. Until now, I had never even known of someone who got pg while using bc other than FAM.

I do normally O around CD 12-15. So it was pretty noticable to me when I hadn't O'd by CD 17. I had a slight fever around CD 12-14 of that cycle so I think that is what pushed it back. Who knows though?

[SusieRain]

I am working on charting through my first cycle PPD. My daughter is 16 months old and I AFed for the first time. I am on cycle day 14 now and am having very definite signs of fertility.

I was wondering for some experience on cervix location/softness. Mine is definitely high and very soft. I know that CM can be there and O not happen. But what about cervix station and softness? If it is high and soft and open, is O bound to happen soon? Or can the cervix go up, open and be soft and O be suspended? Anyone have any experience to share on this?

If I don't conceive this month, I plan on joining your next thread. I was wondering if anyone has any experience in this for me this month though.

Thanks!