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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Is it a deal breaker in MO to not have your bio-kids up-to-date to become foster parents? That'd be a shame because FP'ing has really been on my heart lately.

My kids are two and my doc is less-than-pleased with our decision so a medical exemption is not probable.
post #2 of 24
I don't know but my foster kid isn't vaxed.
post #3 of 24
Are your medical forms online? In NC, all the forms are. Vaccinations aren't mentioned on our medical forms here.
post #4 of 24
I'm in MI and it wasnt an issue for me at all. Usually, they allow you to make whatever decisions you want for your bio kids, and adopted kids after finalization.

Katherine
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
Anyone specifically know about MO? When I looked at the most recent news letter, having everyone in the house up to date with vaxes was one of the new changes. I was just wondering if there's any way out of that.

http://www.dss.mo.gov/cd/adopt/newsletter/v6_3_07.pdf pg 10
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by wendyjoe View Post
Anyone specifically know about MO? When I looked at the most recent news letter, having everyone in the house up to date with vaxes was one of the new changes. I was just wondering if there's any way out of that.

http://www.dss.mo.gov/cd/adopt/newsletter/v6_3_07.pdf pg 10
Do you know what the vax exemption requirements are for your state? Such as for entering public school or daycares? I doubt they can require you to vax, if your state does not require it in other situations....you might have to fill out an exemption form or have your dr include a notation on your physical form (for example, our dr wrote "no vax due to parental choice" on my son's form)...i think they *may* look at it differently *choosing* not to vax (for medical/personal/religious reasons), and "not being up to date" on vaccinations...those are two separate things.


Katherine
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
MO has an easily obtainable religious exemption. That's what I was thinking we'd be able to use - - I didn't know if they *have* to take the exemption, KWIM?
post #8 of 24
They might not HAVE to take it. If it's something that directly affects "their" children, then they probably can circumvent the exemptions. That's not necessarily my opinion, but could be one that they use. Or not.
post #9 of 24
Our state (not MO) requires all children to be vaxed. I submitted the states religious exemption form, and they also required that we take our unvaxed child for a physical. Easy peasy.
post #10 of 24
It's interesting, though, that vaccinations are actually mentioned on that list of requirements. So, it sounds like it's really important to the state, although I guess they wouldn't tell people that they could get an exemption if they wanted.
post #11 of 24
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It's interesting, though, that vaccinations are actually mentioned on that list of requirements. So, it sounds like it's really important to the state, although I guess they wouldn't tell people that they could get an exemption if they wanted.
IME states really like to keep exemptions a secret if they can help it. We would get the public school district newsletter in the mail and each sept there would be a big page about the "required" vaccinations, no where did they state you can get an exemption only that "vaccinations are required for entrance into public school"...i found it really irritating, as MI has VERY easy vax regs. This year i noticed they added a line stating an exemption is acceptable, so someone must have asked them to include that. And when i went to enroll my son in school the first time (he went for a few days in third grade then didnt go back until sixth grade) she tried to get me to sign the state exemption form (which basically states that you acknowledge you are putting your child at risk of serious disease by not vaxing, uh no i'm not signing that!)..luckily i found an easy form on our state antivax group site that i could print out and sign.

What i've found is that you dont find out exceptions to the rules unless you dig. Someone told me you could HS a child placed for adoption here (child is not considered a foster child), even before finalization, but my agency said no, they didnt think so. I asked my worker to please speak with her supervisor to find out for sure, and to find me the specific regulation section. turns out she was wrong, i was right. So sometimes its worth following up to be sure you're getting accurate info and not just what the worker "thinks" is right.


Katherine
post #12 of 24
My state foster licensing requires my pets to be vaccinated, but not my kids.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by wendyjoe View Post
Is it a deal breaker in MO to not have your bio-kids up-to-date to become foster parents? That'd be a shame because FP'ing has really been on my heart lately.

My kids are two and my doc is less-than-pleased with our decision so a medical exemption is not probable.


Hi there,

Don't let your doctor make you feel that there is no way out. You can get an exemption based on moral, philosophical, or religious reasons. Many times, doctors, the courts, the system, as well as the school want you to feel that it is an obligation and that it is the law. Failure to comply will result in extinguishment of parental rights. Don't fall for this. It is not true. You can go against the grain.

Get a new doctor if you have to. Don't sign any of their waver forms, as they are supplied by the APA and the wording in those forms can be used to undermine parental rights down the line. Be very careful what you sign. I'd suggest not signing anything unless it is looked over by a lawyer.

Check out the first link in my sig. This organization is nation wide and is devoted to fighting for the rights of parents who do not wish to vaccinate their children. What's more, there is a ton of information the site has to offer. There is a lot of reading but it is worth it. Keep in touch, and if I can help further, let me know.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by queenjane View Post
Do you know what the vax exemption requirements are for your state? Such as for entering public school or daycares? I doubt they can require you to vax, if your state does not require it in other situations....you might have to fill out an exemption form or have your dr include a notation on your physical form (for example, our dr wrote "no vax due to parental choice" on my son's form)...i think they *may* look at it differently *choosing* not to vax (for medical/personal/religious reasons), and "not being up to date" on vaccinations...those are two separate things.


Katherine

I agree. If it is acceptable to forgo the vacs in school and daycare, this situation should not be any different. What I've found is that thes lawmakers will try to impose these laws on you telling you that you have no choice: but, the reality is, you DO have a choice. There are ways out.

The first site in my sig, Vaccination Liberation Organization, will tell you all the laws state by stat, as well as give you forms you can fill out to protect yourself and your children. If there is something you do not understand, contact them and they'll help you through. They make it their aim to protect parents that prefer the alternative. For added security, get a good lawyer, one that is strong and not afraid to fight the courts, as some are not strong enough or they are afraid. (I'm working on a law degree for civil rights so I can protect and defend for thisvery reason. I have no fear fighting against them once I have the knowledge of the law on my side.)

I hope all goes well. Let me know if you need anything more.
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by BethNC View Post
It's interesting, though, that vaccinations are actually mentioned on that list of requirements. So, it sounds like it's really important to the state, although I guess they wouldn't tell people that they could get an exemption if they wanted.

Of course not. They never tell you. Not even the doctors. You are kind of on your own on this one. Of course, if you have a supportive community like this one, and information that is helpful, you can succeed. But, they will never tell you. They want you to believe you have no way out. I do, however, hope that the site in my sig points you in the right direction. Hope all goes well. Keep us posted.
post #16 of 24
waldorf pc, i would agree with everything you wrote if we were just talking about a parent feeling forced to vax by their dr or to enroll in school....but we're talking about becoming licensed as a FP. Really, they can choose to deny you a license for any reason, and make it sound "reasonable"...they could simply say they dont feel you are ready to foster at this time (even if the "real" reason is something else, like vax status, or you cosleep, or you homeschool or whatever)....legally, you dont have to provide your kids with their own bed, or have a window in a bedroom, and you can stick your kids in the basement to sleep...but *to foster* you cannot generally do these things...to *foster* you often have to follow whatever they say, because they are basically "the parent" to those foster kids. Some foster regs get very specific (and IMO somewhat ridiculous) even specifying what type of bedding and mattress you must have. I mean, i had to sign a form agreeing to very very specific sleep measures for infants (like a blanket can only be pulled up so far, so as to not risk covering the face, an infant who cannot roll over put flips onto his stomach must be replaced onto his back, etc.)

I dont vax my pets either, but relented and got the rabies shot for the cats (who are indoor and at zero risk of getting rabies), that wasnt my hill to die on. If they would have tried to force me to get vax for cat-specific diseases i think i would have raised a stink over it (since it really has nothing to do with the safety/health of a foster child)....

Another problem is, if you rock the boat TOO much, you risk either getting denied, or if they DO license you, getting "blacklisted" and not getting any kids sent your way anyway. So its not as simple as just asserting your rights.


Katherine
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by queenjane View Post
waldorf pc, i would agree with everything you wrote if we were just talking about a parent feeling forced to vax by their dr or to enroll in school....but we're talking about becoming licensed as a FP. Really, they can choose to deny you a license for any reason, and make it sound "reasonable"...they could simply say they dont feel you are ready to foster at this time (even if the "real" reason is something else, like vax status, or you cosleep, or you homeschool or whatever)....legally, you dont have to provide your kids with their own bed, or have a window in a bedroom, and you can stick your kids in the basement to sleep...but *to foster* you cannot generally do these things...to *foster* you often have to follow whatever they say, because they are basically "the parent" to those foster kids. Some foster regs get very specific (and IMO somewhat ridiculous) even specifying what type of bedding and mattress you must have. I mean, i had to sign a form agreeing to very very specific sleep measures for infants (like a blanket can only be pulled up so far, so as to not risk covering the face, an infant who cannot roll over put flips onto his stomach must be replaced onto his back, etc.)

I dont vax my pets either, but relented and got the rabies shot for the cats (who are indoor and at zero risk of getting rabies), that wasnt my hill to die on. If they would have tried to force me to get vax for cat-specific diseases i think i would have raised a stink over it (since it really has nothing to do with the safety/health of a foster child)....

Another problem is, if you rock the boat TOO much, you risk either getting denied, or if they DO license you, getting "blacklisted" and not getting any kids sent your way anyway. So its not as simple as just asserting your rights.


Katherine



Oh, I do know what you are saying. I know how DSS can be. They can say that something is the law when it really is not, hence making up their own laws. At least this is what has been experienced by people i know and from what I've seen. I've pretty much had very negative experiences with them except for one. The only positive experience i ever had was when I reported my friend--now ex friend--for horridly abusing her infant. The social worker was nice and really did her job well. I was pleased. I wish I had had more positive experiences like this.

Did you know, the reason I'm now completely blind is due to the fact I lost my sight due to the neglegance of a social worker? For this reason, i really dislike them. i actually belong to www.fightcps.com since I've seen so much negative things go on in the organization. Needless to say, that social worker left his job and fled the state after my losing my sight, as he had a guilty concience because he had no business doing to me what he did.

one more thing:

Isn't it dangerous for a baby to sleep on his back? I asked that because i almost died that way because i was choking on my puke in my sleep when I was an infant. My mother caught me just in time. Thankfully.

For those who gave me feedback about the site not working in my sig, I went back and fixed the sig and the link now works. Go ahead and press the link under this post, and you will be taken to the Vaccination Liberation Site. Sorry for the previous inconvenience.
post #18 of 24
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Did you know, the reason I'm now completely blind is due to the fact I lost my sight due to the neglegance of a social worker? For this reason, i really dislike them. .
You dislike all social workers because one was incompetent? But what about the one that helped your friend's baby? I dont see the benefit in lumping all of one profession into one group...there are many types of social workers, working in many different capacities. DHS/CPS workers arent the only place you'll find sw's.

I'm not sure this is the best forum to tout the evils of cps....if it werent for them, i wouldnt have my son. Many people in this forum have adopted children removed from their abusive birthfamilies, by CPS. And many of us are foster parents who work closely with social workers, and see on a daily basis the difficult--and much needed---job they do.

Surely there are "bad apples" in any profession,and like many other professions the job of CPS social worker may give an unstable/overworked/biased individual the power to really harm families in a way that say a pissed off waitress does not. And i doubt you'll have much dissent here in this forum if you say the system itself needs a major overhaul. But i've seen firsthand the good CPS does, i see how my child did not have the chance to be abused like his siblings. I see how many workers bend over backwards trying to help birthparents get their kids back (and of course, some workers do not), etc.


Katherine
post #19 of 24
That's my experience as well. In my two years as a foster parent, I've worked with the most amazing team of social workers and support staff. I truly believe that they save many lives and work hard to see that the children in their care are well taken care of and get the services that they need.
post #20 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thank you everyone. I guess the message here is to just try. I saw a sweet little girl tonight being treated like garbage and it solidified my desire to become a foster parent. I just really pray that vax status does not become an issue.
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