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post #1 of 31
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I hope this is the right place to post this.

I recently joined a gym that has a child watch program. So you can place your child in their care for 1.5 hours a day while you work out.

I'm trying to take advantage of this as much as possible. I really need to get in shape and I really could use the "alone" time, even if the alone time involves working out!

I have a DD who just turned 2.5 years old, and has never been in any daycare setting let alone been left with anyone else, except her dad, and a couple times my sister when she was visiting. She's very independent and outgoing and is at the point where she can go with my husband for a couple hours occasionally and be away from me, but not much more than that. I figured she'd do O.K. at the gym.

She's been there 5 times so far and she really dislikes me leaving her there. I didn't expect her to adjust immediately and I know it's normal. I go at different times and there's almost never the same teachers there, so she can't even learn to attach to one person there. I feel such immense guilt, but I know she's old enough to process it all and spend an hour alone without mommy. She is seriously protesting the whole process.

But here's the biggest problem in my opinion: the area is set up into two rooms, one for infants-3 years old and the other room for 3-5. But the problem is that the room that she's supposed to be in is SO baby-ish. It even has a sign in it that says "Welcome to the baby room." Now I don't think my child is a genius by any means but she is very skilled at creative play, she is VERY verbal (has been speaking in long full sentences for a long time now) and loves to do things like read books, do puzzles (she can put together a 60 piece puzzle almost by herself), crafts, and play with toys/games that involve little parts, etc... And the room she's in barely has any of that.

Now if she was very comfortable she's the kind of kid who could entertain herself with two sticks. But the fact is she's not at all comfortable and I feel that the other room, which has creative/pretend play props, lots of puzzles, books, crafts, etc would suit her SO much better and engage her to be happy sooner - not to mention that there'd be kids who could interact with her on her level there!

The one time I made a mention that maybe she'd like to paint in that room, they immediately asked her age and when I told them they said that she obviously needed to be 3 in that room.

I just don't know - should I make a fuss over this, and if so, how do I go about it? Or should I get let it go and hope that she eventually feels comfortable enough to entertain herself in the baby room? I feel so much guilt - I spent two and a half years with her barely leaving my side and while she is a brilliant well-adjusted child I don't want to rush her into this unhappily, especially when I could possibly make the arrangement better for her. On one hand, an average of 6 hours a week doesn't seem like much, but on the other hand, it seems like an eternity to me when I know she's spending every second in that room waiting for me to come back. I especially hate to think of her being "held back" when she could be doing the things she enjoys instead.

Any advice or encouragement is much appreciated!
post #2 of 31
Can you lie? : I know it sounds terrible, but this is not a big deal... If possible (like, if you haven't put her birthday on any paperwork or anything), just tell them she's 3! It's not worth stressing over .
post #3 of 31
Our gym has a similar situation, but they had no problem letting DD go to the big kid room once they got to know her. I would talk with the director, or like someone else just fib and say she is 3, she is closer to 3 than 2 right?
post #4 of 31
You know, I think you need to give her some consistency to start. When I started my DS in the gym daycare we went same time every day. Same people. And I did not expect an hour out of him at first. Some days it was 10 minutes. But we slowly increased the time and now he's great. Though if we walk in and there's a new person he hasn't seen before he needs a little time to warm up. Which I think is totally normal!
post #5 of 31
I agree with pp, I would try to go at the same hour, so she has the chance to get to know the caregivers...
One thing it helped my dd when she was about your dd's age was to give her time clues. They don't have the sense of time very developed at that age. She started daycare at about that age, so the teachers told her the routine they had planned for that day, and exactly when in the routine I would come and pick her. You could give her a watch with a sticker marking at what time you will be back, so she can check for herself and be sure you will be back soon...


If they don't know her, they may not allow her into the big kids room unless you lie about her age. They don't know if she would put small things in her mouth, etc, so they may not be willing to risk an accident. I guess that is the main reason for the age cutoff...
As for lying, I don't think I would do it, because you should tell your dd to lie about her age too, and lying is something I wouldn't want to teach my kids. I remember when my mother used to tell me to lie about my age, how uncomfortable I felt, and how odd it felt to have unconsistent messages from her (lying is bad, but we do it when it suits us).
post #6 of 31
I suspect that there are insurance and liability issues if they allow her in a room that is for a different age range. They might let you lie about it, but I doubt they'll allow you to break the rules. But starting by going the same time and letting her build up a bit of a routine would be a good place to start.
post #7 of 31
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So we went to the gym today, not to drop her off in child care but to attend a different class together. Afterward, I happened to speak with some moms with children of the same age as my daughter, and they told me that they had tried to get their kids moved over, too, but that they are pretty strict about it now (they use to be a little bit lax, I guess) and they agreed that the baby room was, well, baby-ish. Their kids seem to have been going there for a long time though so they are ok with being in the younger kid's room.

I was a little frustrated to hear this, and I guess it dawned on me that if they don't move her I'm just going to have to insist they let her bring over toys that she enjoys (puzzles, books, etc) and do it at a separate table in the baby room. If they don't like that maybe they'll be inclined to make an exception.

I already filled out the paperwork and I just don't feel comfortable lying about her age at this point.

And by the way I have gone at similar times three of the times. There just seem to be SO many different people working there at different times. Besides I'm paying $65 a month and I don't want to pay that much to only go once a week or something. I know my daughter would adjust very well and quickly if they'd put a little more effort into engaging her/making her feel comfortable. They don't seem to like kids who don't keep themselves happy.

The fourth time I took her there there was one adult in the baby room and she was holding a sleeping baby, in a way that didn't allow her to attend to any of the other kids. That's fine, as long as they are happy, I guess. But what happened is that I left my kid there in front of these bristle blocks and came back an hour later and she was in the exact same spot. I made the joke that it looked like she was in the same spot that I left her in and the teacher said that she WAS in the same place!!! I was kind of horrified. She claimed that my daughter didn't want to do anything. I understand, she was obviously sad and didn't want to cry but also didn't want to do anything. She probably felt safety in asserting her place right where I left her so she could await my return. She wanted to stay there and wait for me. BUT, the teacher also looked like she was in the exact same spot that I left her too! She didn't seem to have put any effort into engaging DD or getting her to move from her spot considering she hadn't moved herself.

There's only one teacher I encountered that really got my DD to come out of her shell. One of the days I returned she was playing so happily and laughing and tickling other kids and the teacher was really happy to engage her. But I've only seen her once so far. (By the way I am taking it slowly on her. We've only gone 5 times so far in more than two weeks. I'm definitely not going every day until she's happy with the place).

Sorry for the rant... I guess I was just looking at an easy way out and maybe I'll just have to find other ways to keep her happy. I know you're not supposed to expect much from gym day care but this is all so new to me (I've worked in day care but never thought my child would be in something like this) and while i really want to make use of it, I'm upset that they won't put in a little more effort to welcome us.
post #8 of 31
I would be careful about lying about her age. Think of it this way- if the big kid room takes kids up to age 5, it could be a safety issue for not allowing 2 year olds in that room. I have a 5 year old (today's his birthday!) and he plows through a room not noticing smaller ones. He would surely knock right into a 2 year old without a second thought (and it's not because he's mean, it's just when he has something in his mind he totally blocks out the world around him). I would hate for my child, who IS the right age to be in the room, to hurt another child who shouldn't even be in there.

It sounds like there needs to be another room- maybe an 18 month-3 year old room?
post #9 of 31
Could you bring an item from home that would be more engaging for your DD. It would be familiar for her too. I know it is frustrating to pay for a service and have to bring something of your own (I have to do that with food at daycare).

I'm impressed someone was holding the baby!

You do deserve your workout time. Don't forget that.
post #10 of 31
I don't see a problem. I'd just talk with whoever is in charge and let them know you want her in the 3 and up room. I don't see an issue with that. When my oldest was still an only child I had to take him to the gym way back then and he went in the room that was appropriate for him maturity-wise. When he was in that in between age he seemed much too old for the baby room.

Your child is going on 3 and I would ask them to let you do whatever makes the time easier on both of you. If she had just turned 2 then I'd say keep her in the younger room but she's closer to 3 years old now. They want your business and I assure you that they will work with you.
post #11 of 31
Childcare centers are regulated by state laws that mandate the ratio of caregivers to children. It is based on the age of the youngest child in the room. Having a child under 36 months in a room that is for 36 month+ could put the childcare center in violation of their caregiver/child ratios.

You can often look up your state's guidelines online, or ask the center what "table" they are governed by.

(And, my children hate the gym's childcare center. I don't even bother trying anymore and just get a babysitter to watch them when I go or go when they are at their dad's house. I wish they did like it - care there is SO cheap.)
post #12 of 31

Baby Room Issue

I don't think the baby room is really your problem, or not a significant part of it anyway.

Our middle DD tested developmentally beyond three when she was only two. At three, she can read and do complex jigsaw puzzles. However, she still finds plenty of things to do with DS's baby's toys. Most baby toys are extremely open-ended. When we go to other people's houses, or are in waiting rooms and the toys are officially way too young for our kids they still play with them since they're different than what we have at home. Also, when kids are with a really fun and engaging adult they usually couldn't care less about the toys anyway.

I would not lie about her age. I suspect that there are issues with liability and staff to child ratios. This varies from one place to another, but for example, sometimes one two year old in a room full of three to five year olds means that toddler ratios have to be followed... not preschool age ratios. When you see those stats citing the number of daycares with code infractions this is often the kind of stuff they are talking about.

I would try to go at the same time while she is making the adjustment so she does get used to the environment with the same teacher at first, especially if you can find one she kind of clicks with. I would ask about bringing some favorite activities from home. Maybe she has a friend whose mom would also like to work out who could go to the gym-care with her. Then, once she's settled a bit, you can start going at different times.

Also, how often are you going? If you could go every day or every second day at first that might be better than if you're going once or twice a week. Four or five days between visits is long enough that each time could be like starting over almost fresh for her.
post #13 of 31
Could you go at the same time as one of your DD's friends, so that your DD has a buddy in the room with her? It might be a good excuse for you and your DD to befriend another mom and her LO, and your DD could have the consistency of knowing someone and having someone her age to play with.

ETA: Oh, sorry--I just noticed that the poster above me had posted this.
post #14 of 31
Could you maybe arrange with one of the moms you met in the child/parent class to go together so your kids could play together. If you guys meet at a park before hand and let the kids get to know each other and then go drop them off in care, I'm sure they'd have a great time together.
post #15 of 31
I take my son to the daycare at my gym 5 days a week. Sometimes for an hour or 2. He always went at the same time and got to know one of the daycare teachers. When I started taking him at a different time, he was pretty upset but adjusted very quickly... within the week he was fine with the teacher. My gym daycare has some ridiculous rules too, like no sippy cups or snacks. If I call to see if there is an available, it must be two hours before the said time or they won't take the reservation...however, they have NEVER been to capasity any time that I have gone. I have decided to get over it but this is only because I'm moving within two months. If I was going to be going to this gym for a long time, I might try and get the rules changed a bit. So, my advice would be to maybe sit down and talk to the management about your concerns...I can't hurt.

Also, as for the teacher dividing her time...I guess, I just don't expect them to be like teachers or anything. In my gym they are young college girls and while they do a good job, I don't expect them to be "quaility" daycare, ykwim. I mean if you daughter is quietly entertaining herself and noone's crying or upset, then maybe the teacher just felt that it was better to let her have some quiet time to adjust. Kids definitely act different when they are with different caregivers...I know because I am a nanny.

Anyway, I hope you find a solution
post #16 of 31
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Originally Posted by ChetMC View Post
I don't think the baby room is really your problem, or not a significant part of it anyway.

Our middle DD tested developmentally beyond three when she was only two. At three, she can read and do complex jigsaw puzzles. However, she still finds plenty of things to do with DS's baby's toys. Most baby toys are extremely open-ended. When we go to other people's houses, or are in waiting rooms and the toys are officially way too young for our kids they still play with them since they're different than what we have at home. Also, when kids are with a really fun and engaging adult they usually couldn't care less about the toys anyway.

Also, how often are you going? If you could go every day or every second day at first that might be better than if you're going once or twice a week. Four or five days between visits is long enough that each time could be like starting over almost fresh for her.
Well, like I stated in my initial post, my daughter could entertain herself with two sticks if necessary. She never has a problem when she is feeling safe and secure. She can do anything. My issue is really more of: the baby room doesn't do a very good job helping her feel safe and happy, they're too busy with babies, etc - and the older room is MUCH more age appropriate for her - and while she doesn't NEED the more complex jigsaw puzzles, books, older kid's toys, etc - it would certainly help her. Furthermore, being around kids who are older and who can talk on her level would also help her feel more settled.

I have only gone five times in two weeks. So it hasn't been that often, but that's because I feel so bad. She truly doesn't like it and they don't seem to be all that fun and exciting to her so I really felt so much guilt taking her even that much.
post #17 of 31
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Could you maybe arrange with one of the moms you met in the child/parent class to go together so your kids could play together. If you guys meet at a park before hand and let the kids get to know each other and then go drop them off in care, I'm sure they'd have a great time together.
That would help, yes. But that's a very long - term project. We moved to the area 6 months ago and I've made exactly one semi-close friend so far... And her kid is nowhere near ready to be left alone in that place.
post #18 of 31
My gym only has one room (but not many kids). My oldest dd HATED going until I explained that our plan was: drop kids at daycare, mom goes to work out, then kids get to play in gym or pool and we go. It worked well for us at the time.

If time doesn't allow I'd suggest what most people suggest for daycare drop offs: consistency and repetition.
"We're going to the Y, Mom's going to work out. You're going to the kids area to play with the kids. After we play with the kids we'll have a snack on the way home and do X, Y, Z."

Also -- talk about what she CAN do while there. If she likes the bristle blocks then talk those up.

Make a connection to the childcare provider and learn their names so that you can talk about it while you're driving home. "Mary was holding the baby. was the baby fussy? did you color? play with the blocks?"

and finally -- it took my daughter a good 2 weeks of going 4 times a week to daycare to adjust. That was a different setting, but she seriously sat in the same place all day, every day and then one day got up and started talking. and now begs to go to daycare more than 2 days a week.
post #19 of 31
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Originally Posted by kerc View Post
My gym only has one room (but not many kids). My oldest dd HATED going until I explained that our plan was: drop kids at daycare, mom goes to work out, then kids get to play in gym or pool and we go. It worked well for us at the time.

If time doesn't allow I'd suggest what most people suggest for daycare drop offs: consistency and repetition.
"We're going to the Y, Mom's going to work out. You're going to the kids area to play with the kids. After we play with the kids we'll have a snack on the way home and do X, Y, Z."

Also -- talk about what she CAN do while there. If she likes the bristle blocks then talk those up.

Make a connection to the childcare provider and learn their names so that you can talk about it while you're driving home. "Mary was holding the baby. was the baby fussy? did you color? play with the blocks?"

and finally -- it took my daughter a good 2 weeks of going 4 times a week to daycare to adjust. That was a different setting, but she seriously sat in the same place all day, every day and then one day got up and started talking. and now begs to go to daycare more than 2 days a week.
Thanks for the encouragement. I really hope my daughter adjusts. We already do all the above that you mentioned. I talk to her often about the gym, about the teachers, the other kids there, how exciting it is that there are so many fun toys in the gym. I tell her that I need to go work out and do my exercise so that I can be strong enough to swing her around in a blanket as long as she wants me to. She also always gets to pick out one of her toys (usually a duck or fish, her favorite) and she clutches onto it the entire time she's there. And finally, she knows that when we're done we always get to go to the play ground outside and play for a while before going home.

I guess I just have to stick it out and get her to become more comfortable. I will repeatedly ask for them to give her things she is interested in.

The suggestion from many people to go at the same time so she can see the same people is a good one, but it doesn't really work at this place. Like I said I have only seen ONE person twice. I've seen maybe 10 different workers there and I've gone five times. I see barely any consistency and if I were to try to go when the same person is there I'd get to go maybe once a week.

I know my daughter is capable of fending for herself and occupying herself for an hour. I really look forward to dropping her off there and not having to worry about the quality of the child care providers there, because I would know that she doesn't really need anyone to make her happy. I just hope we can get to that place really soon so I can a) use the gym more often and b) stop feeling guilty!

Thanks for all the advice and encouragement.
post #20 of 31
I'm kind of anal and my DD is younger than yours, but I will check on her during my workout.

I'm fortunate in that DD has no separation anxiety and is happy as a clam to be in childcare. We have different issues, a multi-age room with choking hazards.

I like pp's suggestions to not expect 1.5hours and to work toward that. Also, talking about it with your DD and giving her some ideas on how to cope so she can process her feelings on the issue.

Lastly, why not check in on her during your workout and give her some challenges for the next check in? 'How tall of a tower can you build before I come back' kind of thing. That engages her, she knows you're coming back, and you know she's not standing in the same spot.

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