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post #81 of 146
Thanks for the hugs. DD is 2 1/2. She is usually so sweet and well-behaved that I think I've been spoiled. Yelling "Mama's pregnant" in the grocery store is actually just about the only thing she has ever done in public that I can criticize her for. And, really, I'm sure it will seem funny a few days from now. Oh well. I think I just need to take a step back and lower my expectations. And try to have a sense of humor about it.

Now just as long as she doesn't tell my parents or--heaven forbid--the inlaws that I'm pregnant, I think we'll be okay. :
post #82 of 146
Oh, and I am _totally_ afraid of exercising. Well, I am lousy at it anyway, but I read something about an increased risk of miscarriage in women who exercise early in pregnancy, so I have given it up altogether. Hey, I don't like exercise, and I don't like miscarriage, so it seems like a match made in heaven for me.
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Oh, and I am _totally_ afraid of exercising. Well, I am lousy at it anyway, but I read something about an increased risk of miscarriage in women who exercise early in pregnancy, so I have given it up altogether. Hey, I don't like exercise, and I don't like miscarriage, so it seems like a match made in heaven for me.
I like your way of thinking
post #84 of 146
Hi Ladies,

I could use some good vibes for my 3rd beta draw tomorrow. Let's hope those numbers are doubling!!!!

Thanks!
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: I'm sending you a ton of good beta vibes B!
post #86 of 146
no5 - I hope tomorrow is better day for you and your DD!

bdoody - Best of luck on beta #3!!! Hopefully it is the last beta you need!

blissful - thanks!!

I was talking to our REs office about exercise today and they said for M to take it easy in the first trimester, walking and swimming were good. I am not sure if that is because of the IVF or not. I hate exercising anyway, and *force* myself to do it a few times a week. I keep waiting for my body to start loving it, but haven't had that feeling yet!!! I hope I don't pass along my hatred of physical activity to my baby!!!
post #87 of 146
I'm no lover of exercise myself. Which is why I find it ironic that I signed up for a bellyfit (cardio, pilates and yoga combo) class at work this fall. Now I don't have the energy to go. Plus, I don't want to shake anything loose, so to speak.
post #88 of 146
hmmm, this exercise comment is concerning me, since I exercise a lot, actually. I hadn't heard it being an issue with m/c at all (except for impact sports after the first trimester, of course)

I am still biking ~100-150mi a week, and play ultimate frisbee 2x a week (or 3) and was planning to play hockey until week 12 (like most of my teammates have done)

I figure Ill slow down when I need to, but I did have a m/c this past summer, so now I am a bit concerned. What is the connection between exercise and m/c? My doc had told me as long as it wasn't a big shift from what I was doing before I should be fine.
post #89 of 146
Hi everyone!
I'm new here but very excited about it!
I think I'm about three weeks pregnant... due around June 13. This is my first pregnancy. I'm thrilled but very overwhelmed! :
So far I feel pretty good! Sore breasts and some light cramping which I think is ligament streaching from what I've read.
Any tips for the newbie?
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How is everyone feeling today?
I am physically feeling the crummiest I've felt thus far today. Emotionally I am still so blissfully excited and I love my delicious secret, but it's hard when you feel so tired. I also got woken up somewhere around 4am for a birth (LOVELY home birth of a healthy girl, FYI ) and so am really tired. But, I had a nap and now it's midnight and I'm wide awake! :

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I am hungry, but nothing sound appetizing.
This is exactly how to describe how I felt today! I think I choked down 1 or 2 half-meals today, drank some water. I would feel terrible if I didn't have my awesome vitamins.

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I just heard from our fertility clinic, and our latest beta numbers are great, so M can stop going in for bloodtests.
Critty, I'm so glad your baby is just growing right along in there! We'll be waiting for your twins update! Do you have any feelings yet? The early/intense MS can be a sign of multiples, as I'm sure you know! It will be good to know for sure.

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I am having a super lousy day. My DD has lost her mind over the past several weeks: tantrum after tantrum for no apparent reason; refusing to do anything I ask her to, including dress herself (or let me dress her); screaming "Mama's PREGNANT" at the top of her lungs in the grocery store; etc.. Today it all sort of came to a head.
Oh mama! I have so had these crazy days... it's difficult not to feel like a bad mama, but you are doing the best you can. I'm sure you give your dd loads of love and patience, but it gets to the point where it's just too much sometimes. It's also doubly difficult in early pregnancy. You will get through it though, and try not to beat yourself up! Give your dd a little kiss while she's sleeping like an angel tonight, feel her soft little cheek, and try and breathe in some renewed energy and strength for the day to come.

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I could use some good vibes for my 3rd beta draw tomorrow. Let's hope those numbers are doubling!!!!
Sending you loads of good vibes!

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hmmm, this exercise comment is concerning me, since I exercise a lot, actually. I hadn't heard it being an issue with m/c at all (except for impact sports after the first trimester, of course).
Exercise in the first trimester, consistent with what you did pre-pregnancy, is absolutely not associated with an increase in miscarriage, so don't stress about it! In fact, the increased blood flow and metabolism are so great for pregnancy. Impact sports is a big one, and take rest for water etc. when you need it of course. I tell mamas exactly what your doc said, if you were an exerciser before, keep on going! I would be wary if someone went from being a couch potato to your activity level, but that's a totally different story!
post #91 of 146
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I figure Ill slow down when I need to, but I did have a m/c this past summer, so now I am a bit concerned. What is the connection between exercise and m/c? My doc had told me as long as it wasn't a big shift from what I was doing before I should be fine.
*envy* I used to play Ultimate, before I left Seattle. A strong community is much harder to find in the burbs on the East Coast, and in the hinterlands of the UK, fergit it.

There is one study out of Denmark. I've bolded the most important sentence in the abstract. You can get the study for free from PubMed if you'd like to read the paper yourself. I'm not that impressed by it, and plan to keep exercising.

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BJOG. 2007 Nov;114(11):1419-26. Epub 2007 Sep 17.

Leisure time physical exercise during pregnancy and the risk of miscarriage: a study within the Danish National Birth Cohort.

Madsen M, Jørgensen T, Jensen ML, Juhl M, Olsen J, Andersen PK, Nybo Andersen AM.

Department of Child Health, National Institute of Public Health, Copenhagen K, Denmark.

OBJECTIVE: To examine the association between leisure time physical exercise during pregnancy and the risk of miscarriage. DESIGN: Prospective study with elements of retrospective data collection. SETTING: Denmark 1996-2002. POPULATION: A total of 92,671 pregnant women enrolled in the Danish National Birth Cohort and interviewed subsequently. METHODS: Data on exercise during pregnancy and potential confounders were obtained through computer-assisted telephone interviews either during pregnancy or after an early miscarriage. Outcome of pregnancy was identified by register linkage. Using Cox regression analysis, we estimated the hazard ratio (HR) of miscarriage according to weekly amount of exercise and the type of exercise. The HR was estimated for <11, 11-14, 15-18, and 19-22 weeks of gestation, respectively. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Miscarriage, defined as fetal loss before 22 completed weeks of gestation. RESULTS: A stepwise increasing relation was found between amount of exercise and risk of miscarriage, where risk of miscarriage increased by amount of exercise up to HR = 3.7 (95% CI 2.9-4.7) for women who exercised more than 7 hours per week compared with nonexercisers. Particularly 'high-impact exercise' was associated with an increased risk of miscarriage. No association was seen between exercise and risk of miscarriage after 18 weeks of gestation. CONCLUSIONS: This study suggests that exercise early in pregnancy is associated with an increased risk of miscarriage. The results should, however, be interpreted cautiously as potential bias arising from retrospective data collection may explain part of the association.
If you look at the actual numbers in the study, out of 23,599 women enrolled in the prospective part of the study between 0-11 weeks of pregnancy, the odds ratio for a m/c for non-exercisers was set at 1. The highest increase in risk was for those exercising 270-419 minutes (4.5 hrs - 7 hrs) per week. That increased the risk to 1.7.

They only do the high-impact calculations for combined prospective and retrospective data. In that case, out of women who performed high-impact exercise for 75-269 minutes/week (some unknown number out of 38,489), 49 had a miscarriage. That is a supposed hazard ratio of 3.6, if you call the number of miscarriages among non-exercisers 1. Bah, I say.

So, you set a number at 1 for ease of statistical analysis. Your total number is 38489. Total number of miscarriages in that number is 621. What is your percent chance of having a miscarriage? 621/38489 or 1.6%. According to their data (retrospective and prospective), high impact exercise would increase your risk to 1.6% x 3.7 = 5.92%

The risk with using retrospective data is that people remembering traumatic events, such as miscarriages, are primed by questions like the ones asked in the study. They realize quickly that the study is trying to figure out why they miscarried, the study interviewers ask about exercise, and bingo, they are adding minutes to their exercise time, or increasing the intensity of their exercise. People don't mean to do this--it just happens.

An important sentence from the paper: "Risk estimates based only on the prospective data material were not as large as in the total data material and hardly any statistically significant results emerged." !!! Ah, so the best data don't make an interesting publication? Well, then!

My take on this (IANAMD, but I am a scientist and a vet)--if you're really worried about m/c because of lots of prior losses, maternal age, or some other reason, give up running and take up swimming or bike riding. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it.
post #92 of 146
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hmmm, this exercise comment is concerning me, since I exercise a lot, actually. I hadn't heard it being an issue with m/c at all (except for impact sports after the first trimester, of course)

I am still biking ~100-150mi a week, and play ultimate frisbee 2x a week (or 3) and was planning to play hockey until week 12 (like most of my teammates have done)

I figure Ill slow down when I need to, but I did have a m/c this past summer, so now I am a bit concerned. What is the connection between exercise and m/c? My doc had told me as long as it wasn't a big shift from what I was doing before I should be fine.
Oh, I am so sorry that I worried you. I guess I wasn't thinking. Everyone says exercise is fine, except for that one study. If I exercised regularly, and enjoyed it, I probably would also not give it up. Hockey, though??? Woah.
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I've had a pretty good day, although I accomplished next to nothing at work. I'm too excited to focus! DH unexpectedly worked really late last night, so I didn't get to tell him until this morning. I wrapped up a little jersey for his favourite soccer team, with our last name on the back, that I've had since we first started trying, along with a card and the positive test. He was so cute. He saw the jersey, said does this mean what I think it means, then just kept saying wow, hugging me and giggling

I also booked my first appointment with a midwife today! : There aren't many of them around here, so I thought I'd better call early, but I was totally surprised that they could actually fit me in on Thursday!!! Does anyone have any ideas for what I should be asking at the first appointment? I know this is totally early for a first appointment, but I figure I'll mostly just ask questions, and maybe get a little blood work done.

I'm really not a superstitious person, but what's really weird about this whole thing is that I've always worn #13 for all the sports I've played. I was joking around that maybe September would be lucky month 13, and sure enough it was. And...EDD is June 13. Weird, huh?
Oh that is so cute! Yay for you and lucky number 13. It is a lucky number in our house too.

Have fun at your appt. Most likely the first visit this early is just to confirm pregnancy. They will have you take an in office home pregnancy test. They will talk to you about prenatals and see if you have questions. Medical professionals around here will not order blood work until after 8 weeks unless requested or some medical problem.

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Lots of nausea today and very tired. Hope that all means good things are happening within!
I haven't been walking/jogging on my treadmill since the beginning of my 2ww--just want to be extra careful until I'm feeling more confident, at which point I'll start again, but just walking. I was just starting to lose a little weight, and now it's all come back again plus more. Is anyone else afraid to exercise?
I pulled out our baby name book last night and just looked through it quickly to see if anything jumped out. That was really fun and exciting! (BTW, it's an awesome book--The Baby Name Wizard. So much better than the normal baby name books.)
Yes. I am not exercising. Actually I feel like I ordered myself on a little bit of bed rest. I am so fearful of doing any strenuous. I know that if a miscarriage is eminent I really could not do anything to start it or stop it, but I am scared to do anything. It is not outright fear, but in the back of my mind fear. That is enough motivation to keep from doing too much though.

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I'm struggling with the exercise thing too. I don't have any problem with walking or jogging, but I'm supposed to have a basketball practice tonight and a game on Thursday. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of playing, but I didn't really want to tell anyone quite yet either. We are telling our parents on the weekend, so I think I'll make up fake excuses this week and then go from there.
Have fun telling your parents! How do you plan on doing it?

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I think I just need to take a step back and lower my expectations. And try to have a sense of humor about it.

Now just as long as she doesn't tell my parents or--heaven forbid--the inlaws that I'm pregnant, I think we'll be okay. :
This is exactly our philosophy, and it keeps me sane. I was going to teach 4 yr olds, and I was told it is the hardest age. The cusp between childhood and baby/toddler-hood is very overwhelming for kids causing lots of erratic behavior and extreme transitions between infant behaviors/dependence and childhood independence. 4 has been so hard for us. I do not know how I get through some days. I just have to laugh through it.

If your dd says that you are pregnant to anyone, and you are not ready to tell just say that you were reading a book about pregnant farm animals or something. You can say that you were explaining how mommy's get pregnant and have babies, and she has been going around saying you were pregnant since then.

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Hi Ladies,

I could use some good vibes for my 3rd beta draw tomorrow. Let's hope those numbers are doubling!!!!

Thanks!
Good luck!

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Hi everyone!
I'm new here but very excited about it!
I think I'm about three weeks pregnant... due around June 13. This is my first pregnancy. I'm thrilled but very overwhelmed! :
So far I feel pretty good! Sore breasts and some light cramping which I think is ligament streaching from what I've read.
Any tips for the newbie?
Welcome and congratulations! Enjoy your pregnancy!

me: I went to bed early last night, and you were all so busy chatting. I am 5 weeks today. I think I need to get out and distract myself.
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If your dd says that you are pregnant to anyone, and you are not ready to tell just say that you were reading a book about pregnant farm animals or something. You can say that you were explaining how mommy's get pregnant and have babies, and she has been going around saying you were pregnant since then.
Oh, no, I am totally the world's worst liar. My mom asked me a few days ago how my health was, and I know I had a total deer-in-the-headlights moment. Luckily she couldn't see my face. (We video conference since she is across the country, but the camera is usually on DD.) Plus I am sort of longing to tell them. My folks, that is. Not the in-laws. They will immediately rush out and spend money they don't have on crap we don't want. So postponing that is _highly_ preferable.

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I am 5 weeks today.
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Oh, no, I am totally the world's worst liar. My mom asked me a few days ago how my health was, and I know I had a total deer-in-the-headlights moment. Luckily she couldn't see my face. (We video conference since she is across the country, but the camera is usually on DD.) Plus I am sort of longing to tell them. My folks, that is. Not the in-laws. They will immediately rush out and spend money they don't have on crap we don't want. So postponing that is _highly_ preferable.
Yeah, I think I would have the guilty face too. Dh always says my face gives away everything. I figure it is a good trait that I cannot lie.
post #96 of 146
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Oh, I am so sorry that I worried you. I guess I wasn't thinking. Everyone says exercise is fine, except for that one study. If I exercised regularly, and enjoyed it, I probably would also not give it up. Hockey, though??? Woah.
well, since its a women's league its non-checking, though of course some contact happens. My friends who play and have gone through pregnancy (three of them twice) have all gone w/ the idea that the pelvis is protective until second trimester (since uterus is behind it) but I'm not sure any of them had to deal with miscarriage as an added fear (one did have a lot of trouble conceiving the first time though)

So yeah, I'm definitely in the >7 hours a week, though I don't really run much, at most 10miles a week, its mostly biking, which is very low heart rate exercise for me. I wonder what they count as 'exercise' in heart rate terms. Biking is like walking for me, my heart rate barely tops 90bpm, unless I'm struggling uphill! I do it to get to work, mostly (thats 100mi per week) and then I usually do one long ride on the weekend. (I did a 65miler on Sunday)

its getting colder though, so Ill just be doing the commuting to work in a few weeks, still frisbee, and some hockey. I do make a point to drink way more water than I usually do (I am really bad about water consumption usually, I don't have a good thirst mechanism!)
post #97 of 146
Seafox, that all sounds reasonable. I can't imagine that biking would be an issue. I'm a bike commuter too (although a shorter distance than you) and I plan to continue until the weather makes me stop. I'm even thinking I'll start riding again in the spring if I can still get on and off the bike. Afterall, if we were in Holland or somewhere similar, it wouldn't be at all unusual to ride right up until the baby is born!

Right now I'm trying to figure out how to replace my organized sports with something I'll be able to keep doing all pregnancy. I'm thinking I should start swimming again. I wonder if cross country skiing or snow showing would be fun?
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Seafox, that all sounds reasonable. I can't imagine that biking would be an issue. I'm a bike commuter too (although a shorter distance than you) and I plan to continue until the weather makes me stop. I'm even thinking I'll start riding again in the spring if I can still get on and off the bike. Afterall, if we were in Holland or somewhere similar, it wouldn't be at all unusual to ride right up until the baby is born!

Right now I'm trying to figure out how to replace my organized sports with something I'll be able to keep doing all pregnancy. I'm thinking I should start swimming again. I wonder if cross country skiing or snow showing would be fun?
my mother-in-law (who is an avid bike commuter) actually biked up until the actual day she gave birth so I hope to follow in her footsteps! Though Ill have to switch to a very upright mtn.bike style bike I am sure!

I love to cross country ski, and was actually looking forward to a winter where I won't be able to play hockey so I can do more of it, since I wouldn't be that far along. We'll avoid our usual backcountry mountain adventures and aim for flatter pursuits (we usually go to VT, which has a lot of both options) as I get further along. And then yeah, once I am too scared of a slip and fall I think snowshoeing would be a great option as well, its basically like walking!

Swimming also is a great idea - I'd like to aim to swim in the spring to replace frisbee, and biking if that does get hard - we have a nice pool here at work. It's hard to think that far ahead though, I am still nervous of m/c I guess. Perhaps nervous enough that I might forgo the start of hockey season, or maybe wait until after my first u/s, not sure.
post #99 of 146
Hello Everyone,
I feel like I've been lost in space the past couple of days. So tired! School is consuming all my energy because my mind has been reduced to that of a second grader! I graduate in May 2009 can we say Amen!
My Ds arm is good, no pain and his cast is made of fiberglass and gor-tex so he can fully submerse it underwater. I thought that was cool. I guess I knew I should take him to the hospital because he was still crying after 1o minutes went by so I knew and by touching the "sore" spot whoops!.

I was wondering (if anybody is thinking about this yet) where people are planning their birth?
All the best for good outcomes on testing people are having done this week!
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Glad to see you crazy. Glad your ds is good, and cool about the cast.

We are having another homebirth. We just need to find a new midwife since mine retired.
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