New vaccine coming up, child type 1 diabetes

[nicoliani]

LINKOPING, Sweden, Oct. 8 -- Immunotherapy against a major autoantigen in type 1 diabetes may preserve beta-cell function early after disease onset but not reverse the process, researchers said.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Endocrin...betes/tb/11228

First vaccines can cause diabetes, now they come up with a vaccine to prevent it. Our bodies become more and more chemical influenced.

[spero]

My youngest is Type 1 diabetic. Just the other day, my older daughter asked me, "If they came up with a vaccine for diabetes, would you support it?"

My answer was

Originally Posted by nicoliani

First vaccines can cause diabetes, now they come up with a vaccine to prevent it.

Hell NO, I wouldn't support it.

[angie7]

Originally Posted by nicoliani

First vaccines can cause diabetes, now they come up with a vaccine to prevent it.

That's exactly what I thought when I read your title....so let's potentially cause a medical condition with a vaccine, then make a vaccine for it

Makes you wonder what goes through their minds....

[nicoliani]

Originally Posted by spero

My youngest is Type 1 diabetic. Just the other day, my older daughter asked me, "If they came up with a vaccine for diabetes, would you support it?"

My answer was



Hell NO, I wouldn't support it.

I would make the same choice. Instead I would search for natural way's to have it under control or cure it. See this link hope it can help.

http://www.diabetesmellitus-informat...etes_herbs.htm

[Ophelia]

so let's potentially cause a medical condition with a vaccine, then make a vaccine for it

Basically same thing happened with chicken pox/shingles (technically it has made shingles worse then they came out with the zoster vax):

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...-sure-why-not/

[bobandjess99]

just...wow.

[spero]

Originally Posted by nicoliani

I would make the same choice. Instead I would search for natural way's to have it under control or cure it. See this link hope it can help.

http://www.diabetesmellitus-informat...etes_herbs.htm

FTR, most of those remedies work best for Type 2 diabetics, or for prevention of Type 1-related secondary problems. My DD's pancreas no longer has the ability to produce insulin ... unfortunately, no herb or natural remedy can reproduce those cells. Once the body's immune system has attacked and killed them, they're gone.

Doctors in Great Britain are making great strides (I believe) toward a cure, though. The outlook is promising!

[bubbles]

Unfortunately, most people won't see how absolutely ridiculous this is and will get so excited about another vaccine! Arrrrggghhh. The current system assures that they will never run out of things to develop vaccines for.

[Sileree]

Originally Posted by angie7

Makes you wonder what goes through their minds....

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[ZoeyZoo]

Originally Posted by bubbles

Unfortunately, most people won't see how absolutely ridiculous this is and will get so excited about another vaccine! Arrrrggghhh. The current system assures that they will never run out of things to develop vaccines for.

You're right... I read a while ago that they are also coming up with a vax against tooth decay.

[whalemilk]

Do you even understand how this treatment works? I'm getting the impression from these critiques that the answer is "no."

[claddaghmom]

So basically, if the disease is detected before insulin production ceases to be possible, this vaccination might be able to stop the autoimmune activity enough to preserve some form of insulin production, but does not aid in stopping the disease or in healing the disease.




But this is good news because other preventative measures show no efficacy?



I wonder, theoretically, if the study showed promise because the nature of the vaccination caused immunosuppresion.

[honeybunch2k8]

Originally Posted by Ophelia

Basically same thing happened with chicken pox/shingles (technically it has made shingles worse then they came out with the zoster vax):

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...-sure-why-not/

I wonder if they did that on purpose.

I'm scratching my head over here.

[Think of Winter]

Originally Posted by nicoliani

I would make the same choice. Instead I would search for natural way's to have it under control or cure it. See this link hope it can help.

http://www.diabetesmellitus-informat...etes_herbs.htm

FYI, there is NO CURE for type 1 diabetes, and NO natural remedy. If a person with type 1 stops taking insulin, they will die. Within days. I've had this disease for 34 yrs. My 4 yr old son has had it for 3 1/2 yrs.

http://walk.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fusea...irmid=87230348

If there were a treatment to stop the advancement of this disease, I would absolutely consider it. Before bashing the idea of a vaccine, read the article. This is not a vaccine that would be given to everyone, it is a treatment intended for children who are at the greatest risk, and it still needs a lot of development.

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by Think of Winter

If there were a treatment to stop the advancement of this disease, I would absolutely consider it. Before bashing the idea of a vaccine, read the article. This is not a vaccine that would be given to everyone, it is a treatment intended for children who are at the greatest risk, and it still needs a lot of development.

(bolding mine)


wow - I would be very hesitant to make that assumption.

first, let's find out why there is such a jump in Type 1 diabetes and try to solve the cause before looking at something that 'might' halt it after the immune system has already gone haywire and is attacking its own insulin cells. I want to know why the immune system is screwed up enough to attack itself in the first place.

[Think of Winter]

Originally Posted by 13Sandals

(bolding mine)


wow - I would be very hesitant to make that assumption.

first, let's find out why there is such a jump in Type 1 diabetes and try to solve the cause before looking at something that 'might' halt it after the immune system has already gone haywire and is attacking its own insulin cells. I want to know why the immune system is screwed up enough to attack itself in the first place.

Research is directed a many aspects of the disease. To postpone research on treatment and a cure until the cause is fully understood would be ludicrous. Would you suggest that for AIDS? Cancer? Both of my children participated in a study to look at risk factors, by the way. I still want a cure for my son and for myself.

What "jump in type 1" are you talking about? Are you maybe confusing type 1 with type 2? There has certainly been an increase in type 2, which is strongly related to lifestyle risk factors. That is not the case with type 1.

[spero]

Originally Posted by whalemilk

Do you even understand how this treatment works? I'm getting the impression from these critiques that the answer is "no."

Yes, I get the gist of it. But it's still a vaccine. I'd like to know what adjuvants/preservatives are used, and exactly what is considered "low toxicity".

However, there were no advantages with the vaccine for glycosylated hemoglobin levels, glucose levels, or insulin requirements.

Reading this made me think, then why take the risk of a vaccine?

And this

Adverse events were mild and similar in frequency and pattern between treatment groups. None of the serious adverse events was considered treatment related.

made me want to scream, b/c vaccine manufacturers ALWAYS claim that "serious adverse events" are not vaccine related, and that any other adverse reactions are "mild" and nothing to worry about.

[spero]

Originally Posted by Think of Winter

What "jump in type 1" are you talking about? Are you maybe confusing type 1 with type 2? There has certainly been an increase in type 2, which is strongly related to lifestyle risk factors. That is not the case with type 1.

I disagree. IMO, Type 1 diabetes in young children has exploded. It was once far more rare for children under the age of 14 or so to be dx'd Type 1 diabetic. Now we have babies on insulin pumps. (I'm not saying that young kids were NEVER dx'd - it's just that it's way, way more common to see the dxs at younger ages nowadays.)

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by Think of Winter

What "jump in type 1" are you talking about?

Are you maybe confusing type 1 with type 2? There has certainly been an increase in type 2, which is strongly related to lifestyle risk factors. That is not the case with type 1.

No, she is not confused. The increase in juvenile-onset type 1 is most often associated with Hib (with type 1 diagnosed 6mths after HIB vaccine which I don't think is give over 2yo) and hepatitis B vaccines. It is not a stretch when you consider that type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease. There have been several studies in Europe showing an increase of type 1 among juveniles, but I can't find much for the US.

UK
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=22619

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/328/7442/750

Colorado study
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi.../full/30/3/503

[Think of Winter]

Originally Posted by spero

I disagree. IMO, Type 1 diabetes in young children has exploded. It was once far more rare for children under the age of 14 or so to be dx'd Type 1 diabetic. Now we have babies on insulin pumps. (I'm not saying that young kids were NEVER dx'd - it's just that it's way, way more common to see the dxs at younger ages nowadays.)

I was not clear in my post. I meant that type 1 is not associated with lifestyle choices the way type 2 is, not that there had been no significant increase in cases. That is news to me.

I am well aware that there are babies on insulin pumps. My son was one of them.