A Reminder from the Medical Community that the Flu Shot Does NOT work

[Scattershoot]

But after adjusting for potentially relevant variables, the researchers concluded that "significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting" examined.

Here is the whole article:

http://www.weather.com/activities/he...l?from=hp_news

"Even when there is a mismatch [between the virus in the vaccine and the virus that makes people sick] we generally see partial protection, and this study doesn't show that," he says.

My favorite part:

Schaffner says the study was well designed and rigorously carried out. But he worries that the message some will take from the finding is that vaccinating children against the flu is a waste of time.

Ya think? So a "well-designed" and "rigorously carried out" study shows their product is completely useless, and they think people may get the message that they shouldn't use the product. In what other industry, besides the vaccine industry, are we constantly bombarded with such stupidity?

[pantufla]

And then there's this little gem...

"For the first time in a long time, all three virus strains in the vaccine are new," he says. "My crystal ball suggests that if these new strains are circulating, we may have a more serious influenza season that we have had in many years."

In other words, you should get the vaccine even though it's not going to work???

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by pantufla

In other words, you should get the vaccine even though it's not going to work???

Hope springs eternal. Eventually it has to work, right?

[cloak]

But after adjusting for potentially relevant variables, the researchers concluded that "significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting" examined.

"Some parents and even some pediatricians are going to ask if vaccinating young children is really worthwhile," he says. "My answer is: 'Absolutely yes.'

Same old vaccine mantra, it doesn't work but you should absolutely get it.

[tammyswanson]

Originally Posted by cloak

Same old vaccine mantra, it doesn't work but you should absolutely get it.

Sure, of course! Makes sense to me! They don't want to lose money by not having people get useless vaccines, right?

[Fyrestorm]

This is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder why everyone doesn't question vaccines...especially doctors.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

This is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder why everyone doesn't question vaccines...especially doctors.

Seriously, what other industry puts out a completely useless product, and still thinks it's crazy that people choose not to use it? I have a limit on how much I can read from the vaccine movement. Every article they put out has holes like this one. After a while, I start to feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

[japonica]

Pretty interesting considering I just got two brochures mailed to me this week, one for each of my children, advising me that "Influenza is as serious as it sounds" and that I should rush right in and have my 3 year old and 5 month old get their flu shots.

They are really pushing flu shots for kids here...I recall last year, when the community health folks set up their flu shot clinic in the local mall, I saw so many babies and toddlers there, compared to the usual group of seniors. I imagine this year with the mailout, there will be another huge stampede of parents taking their babies in to get vaccinated.

[Pariah]

"For the first time in a long time, all three virus strains in the vaccine are new," he says. "My crystal ball suggests that if these new strains are circulating, we may have a more serious influenza season that we have had in many years."

Why would this make for a more serious season? Are the new strains actually worse, or just because they're new?

[cloak]

Originally Posted by Pariah

Why would this make for a more serious season?

It doesn't. It's just part of the scaremongering 7-step recipe to make people get a flu shot. The CDC thinks they have to make you terrified or else you won't get their useless shot.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by Pariah

Why would this make for a more serious season? Are the new strains actually worse, or just because they're new?

I for one don't know. This is what I mean. I don't understand what the heck they are talking about half the time, and what's worse is that I don't think they do either. I reread this quote a few times. It's very vague.

Basically, it sounds like they are saying, "we have no idea what is going to happen and even though we are putting in three new strains we will probably have a bad season anyhow, so what's the point of getting the shot?"

They are already conceding defeat and that their product sucks. I guess you could argue that this is suggesting get vaxed, but they don't provide a lot of incentive that getting vaxed will matter.

[Deborah]

If they said something like:

If we vaccinate 80% of the population we'll be able to reduce overall hospitalizations by 5% and deaths by 1% over the next year...then there would be a benchmark...and it would be possible to see if the vaccine worked as projected

of course they don't ever say anything specific or measurable

flu vaccine doesn't work like that

it is science, ya know?

[tammyswanson]

know what the best flu shot was?

I got the flu TWICE last year, thanks to DH bringing it home, and felt horrid. But DS (who was bf'ing) just got a little bit of diarrhea and that was it! So breastfeeding works much better than a shot.

[Devaskyla]

retty interesting considering I just got two brochures mailed to me this week, one for each of my children, advising me that "Influenza is as serious as it sounds" and that I should rush right in and have my 3 year old and 5 month old get their flu shots.

Here too. I just chucked it as soon as I saw what it was. Interestingly, I never get this stuff for my 7 year old, just my 3 year old. And even then, I usually don't get vaccine stuff since I told them I wasn't doing vaccines. I guess the flu shot is different somehow?

[japonica]

Here too. I just chucked it as soon as I saw what it was. Interestingly, I never get this stuff for my 7 year old, just my 3 year old. And even then, I usually don't get vaccine stuff since I told them I wasn't doing vaccines. I guess the flu shot is different somehow?

I think it's on a different database or something. They had my daughter's old name (we changed her name a week after she was born, but this was mailed to her old name, weird)...and the local health unit knows we don't vaccinate but this stuff was mailed to us anyway.

There was also a segment on the noon news today with a local ped urging all parents to get their children vaxed for the flu. The good ol' propaganda machine is in high gear!

[Sileree]

"My crystal ball suggests that if these new strains are circulating, we may have a more serious influenza season that we have had in many years."

Seriously? My crystal ball? :

....

I thought vaccination was a science?!

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

Seriously, what other industry puts out a completely useless product, and still thinks it's crazy that people choose not to use it? I have a limit on how much I can read from the vaccine movement. Every article they put out has holes like this one. After a while, I start to feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

Exactly...when supply and demand doesn't work in the vaccine industry - just keep lying and scaremongering and work your tail off to get it added to school mandates.

[abomgardner417]

Originally Posted by Sileree

Seriously? My crystal ball? :

....

I thought vaccination was a science?!

Exactly! I was just about to post this! So it's ok for him to, essentially, follow his gut, but when parents do they're uninformed or ignorant.

[irony_optional]

To be fair, you left off the rest of the quotation:

It is important to point out that more times than not over the last 20 years we have had a very close match between the vaccine and circulating strains."

That's why he thinks it's still important to get the shot.

(No, I don't get it, and my dau is too young to even consider it.)

[beanbean]

I'm confused. I thought the vax was created from existing strains found in 3(ish) major cities throughout the world in the winter preceeding?

Do they mean the vax is for 3 strains that haven't arrived in the States yet? Obviously by "new" they don't mean they created their own new strains in the lab (one hopes!). Well, no worries. The flu mist will soon bring these lovely strains to a city near you!

Personally, I am amazed how the sheeple line up for the vax --with no research, and using anecdotal evidence as proof it works.

We've never had a flu vax and neither me, DH, nor my children have had the flu in at least 8+ years. Guess that means NOT getting the shot prevents the flu!