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post #1 of 36
10/13/08 at 9:32pm
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When a working mum asked if she could afford to stay at home, the answer was "no" because of course - she'd still have to buy "diapers and formula". I've responded that hey! Breastfeeding is free!

It amazes me that formula is still considered a "given" and no one looks at how much money you'd save if you were breastfeeding - or many other practices like cloth diapering and buying clothes second-hand for our kids...
post #2 of 36
10/13/08 at 9:57pm
Well, was the baby already born? Was the mom already feeding her formula? Cause if so, then Suze has a point.

But yes, I understand why you're annoyed. I hate the assumption (and often, expectation) that mom's are formula feeding.
post #3 of 36
10/13/08 at 10:26pm
Oh yeah, I saw that today, too and it really raised my hackles.

Here are two women with no children telling America that many mom's (or dad's) can't stay home because they have to pay for pampers and formula. Suze knows more about finances than I ever will, but in this instance I've gotta tell the lady to do her homework before she opens her mouth. Breast feeding saves you so much money not only on formula but on your child's future health, etc.

ETA the mother had a 20 month old in day care and was expecting her second. The woman made no comment one way or the other about her intent to formula feed.
post #4 of 36
10/13/08 at 11:20pm
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Originally Posted by grniys View Post
Well, was the baby already born? Was the mom already feeding her formula? Cause if so, then Suze has a point.
No she was expecting her next child!!! What I did find odd was that in the editing on the Oprah page, the written version left formula out!
post #5 of 36
10/13/08 at 11:39pm
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Oh yeah, I saw that today, too and it really raised my hackles.

Here are two women with no children telling America that many mom's (or dad's) can't stay home because they have to pay for pampers and formula. Suze knows more about finances than I ever will, but in this instance I've gotta tell the lady to do her homework before she opens her mouth. Breast feeding saves you so much money not only on formula but on your child's future health, etc.

ETA the mother had a 20 month old in day care and was expecting her second. The woman made no comment one way or the other about her intent to formula feed.
Yes, a little homework does help.
Even as someone with no living children, I could probably give some tips on how to save money. Ebay is good. Heck, I got 7 blankets, some bibs, and onesie for $12.50. What a bargain! Not to mention I could at least attempt to EC if I had stayed home, and I'm 100% sure that if I had stayed home with the child he would have been potty trained sooner (I was shooting for 1 1/2) so that's saving even more money. I have even more gripes about that, formula and pampers aside though generally I really like her.

I actually watched a little bit of her, today but I missed that part.
post #6 of 36
10/14/08 at 1:02am
Ugh, I found out more info after I posted my first response, and yeah, that ticks me off, too! :
post #7 of 36
10/14/08 at 1:26am
i do not like susie orman
post #8 of 36
10/14/08 at 1:00pm
How much do disposables and formula cost over a one-year period? I'd love to show DH how much money we're saving, lol! (not that he needs convincing or anything, but I'd love to say "Okay, now YOU come up with a way to save this much money!" lol!
post #9 of 36
10/14/08 at 1:37pm
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How much do disposables and formula cost over a one-year period? I'd love to show DH how much money we're saving, lol! (not that he needs convincing or anything, but I'd love to say "Okay, now YOU come up with a way to save this much money!" lol!
We use disposable diapers, and we probably spend $650-$700/year on diapers. (Holy cow! I never realized that until I just did the math!!) I BF, but if a large can of formula costs $20 and lasts for 2 weeks (I'm totally guessing here), you'd be spending about $520/year.
post #10 of 36
10/14/08 at 2:21pm
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/start/pre...tbenefits.html

Kellymom has everything!

For 12 months of FF, costs range from $714.42 (low end) to $3,163.86 (high end).
post #11 of 36
10/14/08 at 3:50pm
I was waiting for someone to post about this. Just the assumption that there would be formula really irks me. Suze could have said something like, "Make sure you breastfeed and cloth diaper to save the money" but it wasn't even a thought in her head. Geez, the ignorance.

And if you're not living beyond your means, then I really don't see how a family of four can't live off of almost 80k a year. Come on, give me a break!
post #12 of 36
10/14/08 at 8:40pm
Oh my gosh oh my gosh. I had to register just to post on this thread. I haven't got any kiddos yet, but hope to in 5-6 years and want to stay at home.

The absolute WORST part of this whole show, in my opinion (though of course the formula and diapers thing was totally annoying and I was hoping the woman was going to say she was at least BFing, to throw it in Suze's face) was when Suze "approved" the woman who wanted to buy the SUV because she drove home late at night and it was icy sometimes. Now, of course I have thoughts about that - why does she need a HUGE car; can't she just drive a little snow-safe Toyota? But the absolute worst thing was was her reason. She said something like, "You know why I approved you? Because this is about the human element. It's not just about money. You need to be safe, and so you need that new car."

Oh. My. So the pregnant mother has to work, work, work and send her kiddos to daycare but the lady who drives home from work should buy her new car because of the Human Element. Ugh.

Anyone else notice this?
post #13 of 36
10/14/08 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by fjernsyn View Post
Oh. My. So the pregnant mother has to work, work, work and send her kiddos to daycare but the lady who drives home from work should buy her new car because of the Human Element. Ugh.

Anyone else notice this?
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I think people often forget that children are part of the human element. :
post #14 of 36
10/14/08 at 10:32pm
Is there a place to write in a comment on the show or to suze herself? I didn't see the show, but it would be nice to send her some facts about the price of things.
And about the suv-I guess she didn't figure in the cost of filling the thing up with fuel compared to a smaller vehicle that could be just as safe. Or the car payments on it and insurance etc. That really eats into an income, especially when the mom/dad stay home.
post #15 of 36
10/14/08 at 10:56pm
well at least the majority of the audience didn't agree with her! why is it that all the popular solo female talkshow hosts are child-less? oprah, tyra, ellen...too bad ricki lake's show was so trashy, i bet she'd do a few really interesting shows now!
post #16 of 36
10/15/08 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by MaryJaneLouise View Post
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/start/pre...tbenefits.html

Kellymom has everything!

For 12 months of FF, costs range from $714.42 (low end) to $3,163.86 (high end).

An article on breastfeeding (pro) in Fit Pregnancy states that FFing can cost up to $500/ month.
post #17 of 36
10/15/08 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by TearyCloud View Post
I was waiting for someone to post about this. Just the assumption that there would be formula really irks me. Suze could have said something like, "Make sure you breastfeed and cloth diaper to save the money" but it wasn't even a thought in her head. Geez, the ignorance.

And if you're not living beyond your means, then I really don't see how a family of four can't live off of almost 80k a year. Come on, give me a break!
My god!! We're a family of four and we'd live high on the hog on almost 80k a year. My DH makes about 50k and we do good on that. Its all in keeping in your means. I don't work, one vehicle, bfing, cloth diapers, thrift stores and family for clothes. Its not as hard as it seems from these shows on finance.

And I'm completely upset by the allowance of an SUV to feel safe but you can't stay home and raise your kids... the expense is just too great!! I mean even if disposables and formula is that expense even comparable to a freaking SUV!! Not to mention with gas prices the way they are!
post #18 of 36
10/15/08 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by KirstenMary View Post
An article on breastfeeding (pro) in Fit Pregnancy states that FFing can cost up to $500/ month.
Is that based on the extremely expensive formulas for babies with allergies or digestive problems? Because at the absolute most, buying full price name brands, I could have only spent about $175/month.

Or did it factor in things like extra health care costs and bottles?
post #19 of 36
10/15/08 at 1:10pm
I think prices vary depending on where you live. My sister spends about $20 a week for each of her two boys. That's $1040 a year and she buys the cheapest version the powdered stuff.

The ready to drink stuff here costs about $30 for about 12 bottles. So whats that a year?
I figure that's almost 3 grand.

There's alot of factors here tho. How much your kid drinks a day... my oldest nephew only had formula until he was over 12 months old... what kind you buy and where you buy it. Even here the prices vary. Formula is more expensive for me than for my sister in Sudbury and less expensive for me here than my sister in law in Moosenee.

Too many factors so you are all probably right on some level for the price of formula.
post #20 of 36
10/15/08 at 1:20pm
Ugh, what a ua violation...

My girlfriend spent $35 a week on formula average...for the regular powdered kind, thats $140 a month?

My nephew had to have some sort of special formula and my BIL said he spent like $300 a month I think? And even with all that my SIL still managed to SAH for the first year...

And $80k? HA! We don't even make HALF that and we do okay.
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