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post #1 of 52
10/17/08 at 12:39am
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My friend's son just turned 18 months and got his MMR shot right on schedule, about a couple weeks ago.

He screamed a lot when he got it, but this is most likely because a) it's a needle, and b) I've been told that the shot feels like a bee sting because of whatever ingredients it contains. Other than that, no reaction to speak of.

However, recently he has lost all of his words and only speaks 1 or 2 words, if that (he had quite a few). Usually (lately, past week or so) he doesn't speak at all.

He doesn't seem all that different to me, but the coincidence between his MMR and his lost words scares me a bit, to be honest. He isn't even signing that much anymore.

The boy is also teething a LOT, so maybe his mouth is sore and he doesn't want to speak?

He was at my house today and was fairly social, just not very vocal. He seems almost "sick" but not sick, if that makes any sense?

I'm wondering whether anyone has words of wisdom. Yes, she has asked her doctor about what it could be, and she's asked a speech therapist about her opinion, and neither of them think that there is anything to worry about, that the boy's personality is such that he just "doesn't want to" talk anymore.

IDK. Does this make sense?
post #2 of 52
10/17/08 at 1:15am
I've heard of that often. Haven't seen the research to back it up, but it's something I hear about all the time.

-Angela
post #3 of 52
10/17/08 at 7:43am
I agree. Soon they'll tell us it's "normal" to lose speech after the MMR vaccine.

So sad that kids have to go through that.

Most likely he had some neurons die off after the shot and that is what caused it. They will have to rebuild.

BTW, it's not "his shots". That dangerous medicine belongs to big pHARMa and does a lot of HARM.
post #4 of 52
10/17/08 at 8:30am
I have never heard of that. I suggest xposting in special needs -- those mamas have seen many, many things. You may get additional responses.

Also, it couldn't hurt to have an early intervention eval scheduled so they can test him. She can self refer and its no cost. That would be the normal course of action if anything is wrong, so might as well get the ball rolling. It usually takes awhile to get an appointment, so if he is the same in a month or so...well, the appointment is right there. If he gets his "words back" then she can just cancel.

He could very well be teething and not feeling well, so lets just hope that is all it is...
post #5 of 52
10/17/08 at 9:19am
Maybe you should send her this video just to make her realize that vaccines are not harmless. I do hope very much that the baby is just teething...and everything resolves itself. But maybe there is a reason for it all? Maybe she will be much more aware of the dangers of vaccines.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ELx2eX_kM-w
post #6 of 52
10/17/08 at 11:11am
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I have tried on many occasions to open discussion on vaccinations, but she is a doctor-worshipper. Unless I become a doctor or nurse she will discount everything I say.

Early intervention is a good idea though.
post #7 of 52
10/17/08 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by MilkTrance View Post
I have tried on many occasions to open discussion on vaccinations, but she is a doctor-worshipper. Unless I become a doctor or nurse she will discount everything I say.

Early intervention is a good idea though.
That's the problem, 9 out of 10 will never question a thing. They are so comfortable when someone else tell them what to do and how. They won't see things in a broader way and will look down on those that do.
post #8 of 52
10/17/08 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by MilkTrance View Post
he has lost all of his words and only speaks 1 or 2 words, if that (he had quite a few). Usually (lately, past week or so) he doesn't speak at all.
Verbal regression associated with MMR vaccine seems to become more and more prevalent with time.
post #9 of 52
10/17/08 at 1:16pm
One area that could shed some light on this is the research of Dr. Andrew Moulden. Since your friend pretty much only listens to doctors, this man is a doctor who has won numerous awards for his insights. He is an allopathic physician. Dr. Moulden developed a system, with strict, confirmable, repeatable protocol, that proves vaccines cause microvascular strokes. Since aphasia can be caused by cerebrovascular strokes, this is a viable possibility. One area that gets attacked by these strokes from vaccines is the thalamus, which can certainly impact speech and cause aphasia.

Someone else on this forum put up some info on Dr. Moulden. I don't remember who are where, but he is all over the Internet. He has done innumerable interviews, and many can be downloaded straight off the Net, and his website is chock-full of great info.
post #10 of 52
10/17/08 at 1:56pm
my friend's son lost his speech after his MMR. he was probably about the same age. she took him to a speech therapist who said that most people would be shocked to find out how many kids came into her office because they lost their speech after the MMR.
post #11 of 52
10/17/08 at 2:19pm
Yes,

I have heard of this happening alot after the MMR as well. I have also heard that as one person already posted, it tends to get worse over time. I have speoken to alot of moms who have kids damaged by vaccines and many of them reports that loss of speech after the MMR was just the beginning. I sincerely hope no permanent damage has been done, I also highly doubt that waht you are describing is from teething
post #12 of 52
10/17/08 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by Logan's Mom View Post
I have never heard of that. I suggest xposting in special needs -- those mamas have seen many, many things. You may get additional responses.
But they likely will tell you either it is a coincidence, or that it is a metabolic issue that is just manifesting itself now, right after the MMR shot.

I second Scattershoot's recommendation of checking out what Mr Andrew Moulden has to say.
post #13 of 52
10/17/08 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by Scattershoot View Post
One area that could shed some light on this is the research of Dr. Andrew Moulden. Since your friend pretty much only listens to doctors, this man is a doctor who has won numerous awards for his insights. He is an allopathic physician. Dr. Moulden developed a system, with strict, confirmable, repeatable protocol, that proves vaccines cause microvascular strokes. Since aphasia can be caused by cerebrovascular strokes, this is a viable possibility. One area that gets attacked by these strokes from vaccines is the thalamus, which can certainly impact speech and cause aphasia.

Someone else on this forum put up some info on Dr. Moulden. I don't remember who are where, but he is all over the Internet. He has done innumerable interviews, and many can be downloaded straight off the Net, and his website is chock-full of great info.
I saw some stuff by this guy on mercola's website too.

Losing speech after MMR is quite common. That's why there is a lot of press of it being associated with autism.
post #14 of 52
10/17/08 at 4:51pm
Thread Starter 
I don't really understand what part of it would cause the speech loss, exactly, as it is live viruses (grown in eggs/chicks?), so it is the other ingredients? Because measles mumps and rubella themselves don't usually cause such severe reactions.

But I am going to read Dr. Andrew Moulden's stuff right now.
post #15 of 52
10/17/08 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
Most likely he had some neurons die off after the shot and that is what caused it. They will have to rebuild.
Do you have any scientific evidence that neurons die off? Or is this just random armchair hypothesis?
post #16 of 52
10/17/08 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by Scattershoot View Post
One area that could shed some light on this is the research of Dr. Andrew Moulden. Since your friend pretty much only listens to doctors, this man is a doctor who has won numerous awards for his insights. He is an allopathic physician. Dr. Moulden developed a system, with strict, confirmable, repeatable protocol, that proves vaccines cause microvascular strokes. Since aphasia can be caused by cerebrovascular strokes, this is a viable possibility. One area that gets attacked by these strokes from vaccines is the thalamus, which can certainly impact speech and cause aphasia.

Someone else on this forum put up some info on Dr. Moulden. I don't remember who are where, but he is all over the Internet. He has done innumerable interviews, and many can be downloaded straight off the Net, and his website is chock-full of great info.
But no one has been able to produce anything that is peer reviewed by this person and from what I have read elsewhere, no one can really verify his credentials. Being "all over the internet" is not a credential.
post #17 of 52
10/17/08 at 5:34pm
My friend's little boy lost his speech after MMR. She is 100% convinced that it was the shots. It happened 6 years ago, though, and the MMR might have become safer meanwhile.
post #18 of 52
10/17/08 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by swissmom View Post
My friend's little boy lost his speech after MMR. She is 100% convinced that it was the shots. It happened 6 years ago, though, and the MMR might have become safer meanwhile.
I don't think the MMR has changed substantially in decades.

Anyone know for sure?

-Angela
post #19 of 52
10/17/08 at 6:10pm
Andrew Moulden just ran as a candidate for the Canadian Parliament in my riding.

He came in last, partly because he was perceived as a one-issue candidate [vaccinations], partly because the other four candidates were from the four main parties.

(Sorry, this doesn't help anyone with anything, I was just interested to see his name here.)
post #20 of 52
10/17/08 at 7:04pm
If it were my child, I'd immediately take him off dairy, gluten, and all sugar. I know that's not an easy thing to convince someone to do, though.

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