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Two boys within a few days of each other cut. :(  

post #1 of 9
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*sigh*

Within a few days of each other, DH's friend & his wife had their son, my friend from high school had her son.

My friends baby turned up with group b strep & is spending a week in the hospital on IV antibiotics. She's upset that they wouldn't go ahead & circ him after the first couple days of birth like they would if she was taking him home then, because she doesn't want to have to deal with a circ wound when they circ him the day he's going home. She figured since he had to stay there anyway, they could just go ahead & do it, then it would have time to heal as he's stuck in the hospital on IV's.

I've talked to her & gave her info since she found out she was pregnant, it's obviously fallen on deaf ears. Actually, she was just always amazed that my DH "allowed" me to leave our son intact.

DH's friend actually didn't like the idea of having his son circ'ed, but didn't want to argue with his wife about anything so he "went with the flow of things." He was circ'ed today. She feels that she went through a c-section (not sure why yet), so it's no big deal to have him circ'ed. The quote was, "at least he doesn't have to go through surgery like I did, it's just a procedure!" From what I understand a nurse actually corrected her, that it was surgical & that she was signing a surgical release, but she argued with the nurse, compared it to having her ears piereced or a hang nail, & saying that surgery is what she went through, something that doesn't just take 5 minutes doesn't count as surgery anymore than a hangnail being cut off as surgery & that it's just like getting your ears pierced because she got her ears numbed like she's sure they will do her sons penis, so that means it's about equal pain wise...why that makes sense, I don't know.

I'll admit I didn't talk to her, she wasn't into hearing it at all, avoided me because I'm that crazy woman who left her son intact once she found out that DH & I talked about it with her husband over dinner one day (it was in the context of the convo, he mentioned it), & even went as far as to call us when she knew I wasn't home to thank DH for the baby gift that I went out & bought, wrapped, & shipped. Not sure why I'm suprised, guess I'm just suprised at the reaction & how she appears to thing a circ is like piercing ears.

So. Wow. I'm just speechless when I really think about it all. Sad, & speechless. And I had to share somewhere, because I just can't keep this all to myself without screaming. It's not so much the circ, even though it bothers me, it's the comments & thought processes of people that get to me. And it's times like these when I hope the baby I'm pregnant with is also a boy, so I can be that crazy woman with 2 intact boys.
post #2 of 9
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Originally Posted by layla983 View Post
*sigh*

She feels that she went through a c-section (not sure why yet), so it's no big deal to have him circ'ed. The quote was, "at least he doesn't have to go through surgery like I did, it's just a procedure!" From what I understand a nurse actually corrected her, that it was surgical & that she was signing a surgical release, but she argued with the nurse, compared it to having her ears piereced or a hang nail, & saying that surgery is what she went through, something that doesn't just take 5 minutes doesn't count as surgery anymore than a hangnail being cut off as surgery & that it's just like getting your ears pierced because she got her ears numbed like she's sure they will do her sons penis, so that means it's about equal pain wise...why that makes sense, I don't know.
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I actually have wondered before if this is a common thought process for mothers who want to circ-- I've endured so much pain, inconvenience, whatever; it's no big deal for the baby to have some pain, too. (maybe even "men never have to go through this pain"?) That seems SO far-fetched, and yet, for someone with good information to *still* circumcise.... it defies typical explanation, for me, so I guess I'm searching for obscure reasons.
post #3 of 9
#1 friend must think babies heal real fast and don't scar if she think she's not going to have to deal with a wound. That's denial.

geez, well tell #2 that if it only took 5 minutes, then he didn't get any pain relief that would work. Maybe she can get another c-section w/o pain relief and change her mind.

I'm sorry for you... hugs.

Jessica
post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by MaterPrimaePuellae View Post
I actually have wondered before if this is a common thought process for mothers who want to circ-- I've endured so much pain, inconvenience, whatever; it's no big deal for the baby to have some pain, too. (maybe even "men never have to go through this pain"?)
Sadly it does happen, I have heard more than one mother compare the circumcision pain to the pain of childbirth and say that it is not as bad as what they went through, or that as they carried the child for 9 months then gave birth, they should be allowed to make choices about his body, etc. It's really sickening. The OP's story is so sad and I'm quite disgusted by some of that lady's comments. :-(
post #5 of 9
A GBS infection?!?! It's pretty rare, but when it does happen, doesn't the research show that it has a 20-30% mortality rate? How about she makes sure her son is going to LIVE first, and then she can be an UAV!
post #6 of 9
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I was hopeful when I found out the nurse spoke up, they actually live in a lower circ area than we are in (we're in another state now), so that also gave me some hope that it would at least be looked into, but obviously it wasn't.

And I was as shocked about the group b infection myself. She had a previous pregnancy & no strep, she was tested this time around & it came back neg, but on the 2nd day of the babys life, he started showing signs of distress & on a whim tested him thinking it'd come back neg &, well, obviously it didn't. I'm not sure she understands how serious it is. I actually didn't know much about it & I've even worked in OB previously but never encountered a pos group b baby, so I had to research it myself.
post #7 of 9
One of THE most callous things I have ever heard from a mother regarding her son's circumcision is this:

(to paraphrase): "Hey, I had to push his head and shoulders out, so what's a little skin off of the end of his dick?!" ...the last half of that sickening sentence word-for-word! Some sort of punishment for an innocent human being who never asked to be born and circumcised. This type of you-hurt-me-so-I'm-going-to-hurt-you cruel mentality.

I have no idea where this mother is today, but if I had access to her direct quote (either in-person or electronically), I would have told eeeeeeeverything wrong w/ that idiotic statement.
post #8 of 9
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Originally Posted by layla983 View Post
something that doesn't just take 5 minutes doesn't count as surgery anymore than a hangnail being cut off as surgery & that it's just like getting your ears pierced
I wonder if she would change her mind on this "theory" if she had gone through female circ, or FGM and someone cut off her clit or clit hood. Those surgeries take less then two minutes, so they certainly are no big deal either...


Also who does she think she is talking to? The nurse who just make sure she did not die in her last surgery might just know a little bit more about what is defined as a surgical procedure then she does.
post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by MaterPrimaePuellae View Post
I actually have wondered before if this is a common thought process for mothers who want to circ-- I've endured so much pain, inconvenience, whatever; it's no big deal for the baby to have some pain, too. (maybe even "men never have to go through this pain"?) That seems SO far-fetched, and yet, for someone with good information to *still* circumcise.... it defies typical explanation, for me, so I guess I'm searching for obscure reasons.

My sister had my nephew circed years ago and she was soo upset when the nurses brought him back to her screaming ad crying and covered in blood (the nurses were really mean to her about it, wanting her to know it hurt him I think). Anyway, my sister called me Grandma because she was so upset and my Grandma said something along the lines of that being his only pain he'll have to have. No period cramps,childbirth, etc. His pain is done.

I tend to think that me Grandma was just trying to make my sister feel better, because she didn't circ my dad or uncles but still...
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