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post #1 of 11
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Need advice here. Dh morphology is severe. Only 4%.

After DH failed the Fertell Test he went and got SA done.

Heres the highlights:

volume 2.5ml
concentration- 130 million (20-900/ml)
motility- 77% (40-100%)
normal morphology - 4% (10-100%)

After these results we were referred to an RE. I am worried that we will have to do IVF.

Anyone had to deal with bad morph but counts and motility are good? Is there any hope for us? What can we do to improve his situation?
post #2 of 11
With your volume, counts and motility so high, the morph shouldn't be as big as a deal, at least according to the urologist that we saw. What criteria was the morph measured on? That too can make a big difference. Our urologist said that morph measurement is somewhat controversial and doesn't really make a difference when everything else is at or above normal.

Here is a blog written by a RE. I pulled out some of the morph info (sorry this is so long) All of his entries are in purple.


http://infertilityblog.blogspot.com/

Abnormal Sperm Can Fertilize Eggs and Make Babies
How do I know that? Because it happens every day at the NYU Fertility Center.
If we have a man with good counts, good motility and low morphology, we do not recommend IVF with ICSI. We will treat him as if there is not a problem (because we don’t think there is one) and allow the couple to do insemination. If they do go on to IVF, we do not perform ICSI, and the eggs fertilize just fine. Of course, we would not follow this plan if the counts or motility were very low. And we at times have exceptions.
Other clinics do things differently. Sometimes its because other places have found that they need to do ICSI to get good fertilization rates in their patients with low morphology. I can’t speak for the techniques of other offices, but you should know things are done differently in different places. As with all of my entries, don’t change any of your treatment plans without speaking to your doctor first.

Sperm Morphology Mythology
This week I saw a couple who were told the reason they were not getting pregnant was “bad morphology”. The sperm, they were told, could not penetrate the egg because of the abnormal shape of the sperm. Because of this, they would need to go directly to in vitro fertilization with ICSI. This was in spite of the fact that they were young, had normal hormone levels and open tubes. I’ll tell you what I told them.
When we test sperm (the semen analysis) we look at a few different parameters. First is the volume, which should be 2cc or higher. Second is the count. This is the number of sperm per cc, so it’s technically a measure of the sperm concentration. This should be 20 million per cc or higher. The average is around 35 million. Next is the motility: the percentage of sperm moving. Should be 50%, most normal samples are not much higher. And then there is the morphology: the percentage of sperm normally shaped. This should be 14% or higher. The average is 2-6%, but why?
The original guidelines for sperm parameters, from the WHO, stated normal morphology should be 30%. Then about 20 years ago, Dr. Kruger came out and said we really need to be looking more carefully at sperm shapes. If we are really careful we will see that there are more abnormal sperm than we think, and the cutoff should be 14%. He called his classification "strict criteria". He also said that by being more careful we could better identify the men who are infertile due to badly shaped sperm. This all sounded well so the andrologists (the people who do your sperm test) started looking harder, and harder, and harder. They now deduct for every sperm that does not look perfect. So over the past 20 years, the andrologists have been getting pickier and pickier, and now a man is lucky if his morphology is over 5%, and almost everyone is less than 14%.
Obviously this has all gone too far. We are telling almost all men that their sperm is abnormal, and that just can’t be. The fact is we do not know what a normal sperm looks like. More on this next time.


My dh has (hopefully had!) 0% morph (100% head defects) as well as below normal counts and motility. He had an embolization and now just needs to do a f/u SA.

As for something that can help, I have my dh taking pycnogenol. He takes 200mg a day, plus zinc and a multi-vit.
post #3 of 11
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Thanks so much cincynana.

I was clinging onto every word you wrote and the REs blog. DH was thinking since he has some swimmers we could do IUI. Now this kind of confirmed this. I feel so much relieved from reading this.

I really wanted to know what the standards were for counting bad sperm and good sperm. I think they are over-agressive in counting a sperm if it has any defect in it, even if its minute issue, hmm. I need to talk to a lab tech about this.

I will be getting pycogenol also plus some other vitamins for him tomorrow.

I was floored when I read the results initially. Now I am trying to feel better, but I still have some crying spells about this. But after reading this, I have different outlook now. Thanks so much!
post #4 of 11

Success story

I have a friend (an MDC mama!) whose sperm donor had 4% morphology - she's pregnant!

She said 4% was borderline - not too low, but of concern, though not necessarily a huge problem.

What worked for them was him abstaining, strictly, from ejaculating for 48 hours before.

Just remember, 4% of one hundred million is four million, and you only need one - and it doesn't need to be all that perfect.

Good luck!!!
post #5 of 11
My DH had 2% normal sperm on a strict morphology and we conceived on our first IUI cycle (and that was with Antisperm Antibodies).
post #6 of 11
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Thanks FTMpapa and mischievium for the encouraging words. I thought our case was hopeless until reading your experiences and knowing that others can achieve pregnancy with these issues.

Mischievium- I am so happy that it only took one IUI for you. I hope we are offered this and that it will only be one time deal for us also this would be great.

I am still searching like crazy for this.... I starting to learn new terminolgy.. tetrazoospermia. Thats a weird funny name. Does anyone know any good links or websites I can refer to. thanks
post #7 of 11
A couple of good books are:
How to Get Pregnant by Sherman Silber MD
The Infertility Cure by Randine Lewis Ph.D.
(I was able to get both from my library)

Websites:
http://www.howtomakeafamily.com/expe...nfertility.htm
http://www.thefertilesoul.com/knowle...il.aspx?id=230
http://www.malefertility.md/glossary.html
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cincynana View Post
A couple of good books are:
How to Get Pregnant by Sherman Silber MD
The Infertility Cure by Randine Lewis Ph.D.
(I was able to get both from my library)

Websites:
http://www.howtomakeafamily.com/expe...nfertility.htm
http://www.thefertilesoul.com/knowle...il.aspx?id=230
http://www.malefertility.md/glossary.html
thanks cincynana--great sites

I have the book The Infertilty Cure. Its a good book. I have been reading the part for male infertility and ttc over age 35. We have two double whammies against us. Age for me and swimmer issues for him.
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by wtg4miracle View Post
Thanks FTMpapa and mischievium for the encouraging words. I thought our case was hopeless until reading your experiences and knowing that others can achieve pregnancy with these issues.

Mischievium- I am so happy that it only took one IUI for you. I hope we are offered this and that it will only be one time deal for us also this would be great.
To be fair, it was also our first cycle using clomid and using an HCG trigger (I had no officially diagnosed issues, but my follicular phase varied from 12 days to 28, so we opted for the meds to help with timing the IUI).

I hope you, your DH, and your RE are able to find the path that works for you .
post #10 of 11

Low morph success story

DH had low motility and morph. DH had varicocele surgery and them we did 6 IUI's. We did 1st IVF without ICSI and miscarried at four weeks. Second IVF we did ICSI and got pg and had a beautiful baby girl. Three months after the our first baby we got pg out of the blue. I think maybe abstaining had something to do with it and aslo I took baby aspirin everyday. I took baby aspirin with both successful pregnancies. I wish that RE offices would do immune testing right off the bat but they don't. After the first IVF I went to an immunologist for tests I had heard about. I had very slight APA antibodies. They said take baby aspirin.
I don't think the sperm numbers matter that much. Maybe try baby aspirin ? It can't hurt and can save you thousands of dollars and many tears
Good Luck,
Philia
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks philia for the advice of baby aspirin. I will definately ask the RE about the possibility of sperm antibodies and our immune system.

Mischievium--you didn't deceive me. I like the idea of injectables with a trigger so we can time it better. I am hoping we can do IUI first and not jump into IVF. I want to get pregnant after the first IUI. This is going to be so hard cause I am working fulltime. I have no idea how much time this is going to involve.
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