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My DD is almost 4 and very assertive, sensitive, strong willed, and slow to adjust to new situations. She has been like this pretty much since birth, and it's just part of her personality. We try not to label and I've read a few books like 'Raising your Spirited Child', etc, which are helpful.

Last year, she had a hard time adjusting to preschool. It took a few months for her to get used to being there without me, and I was always the last parent to leave the room in the morning. Then, halfway through the year, she became good friends with another girl there and was very happy to go to school.

This year, although the girls are still friends, there are some new children at the preschool and DD no longer has the undivided attention of her friend. She found this tough to deal with. I have offered lots of acknowledgement, support and empathy, and have also suggested that it's good to play with several different friends, and not just one. She is now making other friends and that seems to be going OK.

However, every morning that she has preschool (3 mornings a week) we have to really convince her just to go. She gets really negative at times, and says 'I hate preschool' 'I really hate being with those rough boys' (who run around and sometimes bump into her) - I have also offered empathy about this, but there's not much I feel can be done about it.

I have to remind her about fun things at school, entice her with fun snacks, or suggest that she wear a special outfit, etc just to get her to go to school. Once we're there, she often doesn't want me to leave, which is difficult because I'm trying to keep 2yr old DS out of trouble there as well. Today I had to stay for 30 min while one of the teachers and I tried to get her involved in an activity. I know 30 min isn't that long, as I had to stay longer than that last year, but it's her 2nd year now with the same teachers and mostly the same kids.

After she comes home, most of the time she says she had fun and relays all the fun things she did that day, but the next time she seems to have forgotten about the fun she had and says she doesn't want to go.

She is also doing this with her ballet class. She loves dancing and has been taking this class with the same teacher for 5 sessions. However, she'll be dancing around the room, saying she'll show her teacher her new moves, then an hour later say that she's not going to ballet.

Any advice? I know some parents would say not to force her to go to any class as she's still very young, but I feel that if she said she wants to take ballet classes, then she should go to all the classes, not just go when she feels like it.

With preschool, I don't want to force her to go, and the teachers have said I'm doing the right thing, by encouraging her, trying to engage her in fun activities when we're there, etc. I don't want to allow her to stay home, because once she's in real school, she won't have the option of staying home because she feels like it.
post #2 of 23
Sounds like you're in a tough spot and there's not much you can do, based on what you've said. Letting her stay home would have been what I recommended as well, but since you're not considering that, I don't know what else to recommend. She'll be in a different place developmentally by the time she is absolutely required to go to school, though, so I don't know that you can say that because you allow her to stay home now that she will expect to stay home later.
post #3 of 23
I think the solution to ballet is easy...just don't sign her up for the next session. She can take a break for a while and then see if she wants to do it again when the new session starts up.

About preschool, you need to look at the situation as it is now, not worry about what she'll do when she starts kindergarten. If she is not even 4 yet, she probably won't go to kindergarten for 2 more years right? (At least here, the cutoff is they have to be 5 by the end of Sept to start kindergarten so she wouldn't start until she was close to 6.) She is going to be a completely different person in 2 years.

Have you ever let her stay home? What would happen if the next time she doesn't want to go, you just said "OK, let's take the day off." Don't make it into a big special deal or anything, just go about your normal day. She might feel like she has more power in the situation and then decide to go on her own the next time. Or she might even change her mind and want to go that day. Of course, she might want to stay home again too. So on the day off, you might want to tell her it is just for today or something.

Another thing you may want to do is look for a different type of preschool. I have a friend whose child cried about preschool and she switched her to a Montessori school and she just loved it.
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I think the solution to ballet is easy...just don't sign her up for the next session. She can take a break for a while and then see if she wants to do it again when the new session starts up.
Good advice - I think I'll try it. She went yesterday with DH and then balked at the beginning of the class and they came home. She said it was because a friend of hers who's in the class wasn't there. . .

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About preschool, you need to look at the situation as it is now, not worry about what she'll do when she starts kindergarten. If she is not even 4 yet, she probably won't go to kindergarten for 2 more years right? (At least here, the cutoff is they have to be 5 by the end of Sept to start kindergarten so she wouldn't start until she was close to 6.) She is going to be a completely different person in 2 years.
Well, she goes to Kindy next year because our cutoff is Dec 31st, so she'll just be one of the younger ones in the class.

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Have you ever let her stay home? What would happen if the next time she doesn't want to go, you just said "OK, let's take the day off." Don't make it into a big special deal or anything, just go about your normal day. She might feel like she has more power in the situation and then decide to go on her own the next time. Or she might even change her mind and want to go that day. Of course, she might want to stay home again too. So on the day off, you might want to tell her it is just for today or something.
Well, I haven't tried letting her stay home yet unless she was sick. Letting her decide *might* work, but like you said, I'd have to tell her it was only for today and she wouldn't get to always decide.

Another thing I thought about is. . . she might be doing it for attention. For instance, there was a bday party for a family friend's son yesterday, and she originally said she didn't want to go, so I said OK, she could stay home with DH while I brought DS there. Then, just before we left, she said 'I changed my mind, I think I'll go to the bday party after all'. So, it's possible that if I let her 'decide not to go to preschool' and be nonchalant about it, she would change her mind at the last minute and go.

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Another thing you may want to do is look for a different type of preschool. I have a friend whose child cried about preschool and she switched her to a Montessori school and she just loved it.
Yes, this is possible although unlikely for her situation. Her preschool is playbased and very loosely structured, which I think she likes. She doesn't like being told what to do, when to do it, etc. She also *really* likes one of the teachers, but lately saying that the teacher will be there isn't enough incentive to make her want to go, although once she's there, this teacher can usually convince her to do anything!
post #5 of 23
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Sounds like you're in a tough spot and there's not much you can do, based on what you've said. Letting her stay home would have been what I recommended as well, but since you're not considering that, I don't know what else to recommend. She'll be in a different place developmentally by the time she is absolutely required to go to school, though, so I don't know that you can say that because you allow her to stay home now that she will expect to stay home later.
Thanks. Yes, she'll be a year older next Sept by the time Kindergarten starts, so maybe it'll be easier then. Also, I think she likes to stay home to play with DS, whom she gets along well with. She also thinks she's missing out on one on one time that DS and I get to have while she's at school. Usually it's just errands, or unloading the dishwasher, but she still thinks she's missing out!
post #6 of 23
If she dosnt have to be there meaning if you are a SAHM then I just wouldnt send her. My mom was going to send me to K back when it wasnt mandatory and I didnt want to go so she kept me home I was ready to go the next year.

I am thankful that dd likes to go to school and has since pre k but I wouldnt have sent her had she not wanted to go.

Same goes with ds. When the time comes if he dosnt want to go then he wont be going.

I understand if you cant not send them that is totally different situation.
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Well, she goes to Kindy next year because our cutoff is Dec 31st, so she'll just be one of the younger ones in the class.
Just food for thought. If she is having a hard time adjusting and she'll be one of the younger ones in her class, you might consider keeping her back a year, if it's possible for you. I was 4 when I started kindergarten, and I was smart and did will with reading, but honestly, in terms of my emotional development, I feel I would have been better off waiting a year. She could still go to preschool for another year and have more time to adjust to that schedule. But it could be that she adjusts to kindergarten really well in the next year.
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If she dosnt have to be there meaning if you are a SAHM then I just wouldnt send her. My mom was going to send me to K back when it wasnt mandatory and I didnt want to go so she kept me home I was ready to go the next year.
Yes, I'm currently a SAHM, but do plan to go back to work PT once DS is in school full time. I could keep her at home, but thought the socialization was good for her. I emailed her teacher tonight, actually, and she said that DD is having a great time once I leave the classroom, and in fact, has come out of her shell loads from last year. . . So I'm reluctant to pull her out since it seems it's just a phase and she really does have fun there.
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Just food for thought. If she is having a hard time adjusting and she'll be one of the younger ones in her class, you might consider keeping her back a year, if it's possible for you. I was 4 when I started kindergarten, and I was smart and did will with reading, but honestly, in terms of my emotional development, I feel I would have been better off waiting a year. She could still go to preschool for another year and have more time to adjust to that schedule. But it could be that she adjusts to kindergarten really well in the next year.
Funny that you mention this. I was talking to another preschool parent about this whose son is also a Nov baby. Her DS and my DD are very similar and are friends. I hadn't thought to hold her back before the discussion, and my concern would be that she get bored. She's a lot like I was when I was a kid, and while I'm a March baby and didn't have the issue of being younger than the kids, I did really well in school and would have been bored academically if I'd been held back. I think she'd be the same. She's fairly advanced developmentally in most areas and has an amazing memory. I feel sometimes like she's not that far along socially because I haven't made that much of an effort to ensure she plays with other children regularly. Well, food for thought, certainly.
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I don't want to allow her to stay home, because once she's in real school, she won't have the option of staying home because she feels like it.
But allowing a 4 yr old to stay home can be different than allowing a 5 or 6 yr old to stay home once they start kindergarten. A child can change a lot in a few months time. Even if you removed her from preschool and kept her home she may be a totally different child in another three months or six months. Kids change fast. It's like one minute they can't read and the next they are great at reading. You might be surprised. Just because she doesn't want to go to preschool doesn't mean she won't do okay with kindergarten once it starts in another year or two.

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I could keep her at home, but thought the socialization was good for her.
being pushed around by other children isn't socializing. My kids used to be in school for a while but are homeschooling now and even my 6 yr old has a wonderful time socializing with kids of all ages. And when she was in preschool and kindergarten she got pushed around and treated badly by even her closest little girlfriends at times. It happens at the younger ages as well, more than you think.
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She also thinks she's missing out on one on one time that DS and I get to have while she's at school. Usually it's just errands, or unloading the dishwasher, but she still thinks she's missing out!
This was my DS issue as well. My H is the stay at home parent and my son would say "I want to be home with Daddy and sister". While he was at school, he loved it. But getting ready and then doing the drop off was pure h***. I was the drop off parent and then I had to go to work and it was the worst start to my day.

Like someone else suggested, I decided to let him stay home one day. that was the biggest mistake I ever made. He thought he could act like that all the time and not have to go.

What finally worked for me was a reward chart. I'm not usually for them, but the screaming and yelling and fighting in the morning weren't very GD either so I figured the rewards chart was the better option. I aksed him if he wanted to do it to help me get ready for school and to go to school without crying and he said he did. He helped me make it. We set it up so that if he did the 4 things to get ready for school without crying, he would get a star by each one. He also got a star for going to school without crying. So he could get a total of 5 stars. After 4 weeks (or 20 stars) he could get a tabletop pool table that he was wanting ($20).

The first day there was a lot of reminding but after that, it was a breeze. And the teachers even remarked what a different child he was. We stopped the chart after the 4 weeks because we didn't need it anymore. He just needed to get into the habit of getting ready without the fight.

Oh, the other thing I wanted to say was that you might be staying for too long. Our teachers encourage dropping off, giving hugs and kisses and then leaving within 5 minutes. I did find that this was much better than when i would hang around for 15-20 minutes.

Sorry this got so long, but I hope some of it helps!
post #11 of 23
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I don't want to allow her to stay home, because once she's in real school, she won't have the option of staying home because she feels like it.
But she isn't in real school yet. You do have the option to keep her home. Why not let her stay home until she has to (or wants to) go?
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Like someone else suggested, I decided to let him stay home one day. that was the biggest mistake I ever made. He thought he could act like that all the time and not have to go.
Thanks for the info - good to know. I hadn't heard a lot of people's experience around this.

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What finally worked for me was a reward chart.
Hmm - I hadn't thought of that. We had one for potty training, which sort of worked, but that's worth looking into.

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Oh, the other thing I wanted to say was that you might be staying for too long. Our teachers encourage dropping off, giving hugs and kisses and then leaving within 5 minutes. I did find that this was much better than when i would hang around for 15-20 minutes.
Yeah, I think you're right and the teacher suggested that yesterday as well - just to help her with her coat, sign her in, and nonchalantly say that I'm leaving. She said that this is what happens when my DH drops off (very rare), and I know it's because she knows that DH *can't* stay (he's on his way to work) and I *could* stay if I wanted.

This morning, she just clung to me the second we got there even though her good friend was beckoning her to go play. I had to stay 40 min before she was OK with me leaving and even then, it was with total reluctance.
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And when she was in preschool and kindergarten she got pushed around and treated badly by even her closest little girlfriends at times. It happens at the younger ages as well, more than you think.
Yeah, you're probably right. The three kids (2 girls and one boy) she's closest to are really nice kids and I know their moms. She does talk, however, of an incident with a 3rd girl, who she was also friends with who wanted to play 'mommy', have the other two girls play 'big sister' and have my DD play 'little sister'. She didn't like this at all and was quite upset by the fact they wanted her to be the little sister. She is really petite and the smallest one in the class. . .
post #14 of 23
Well, try to talk to her a minutes ago before she has to go to preschool and remind her the things with which they have fun in there.

Besides, be proud of her when she comes and tells you something she has done OK at school, and encourage her to keep going and improve their skills, same at dance classes. Tell her something you did in the past, some activity that you couldn't finish and now you regret having giving up from that.
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We are there too. I hadn't thought of the reward system. Thanks for the idea!
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Well, try to talk to her a minutes ago before she has to go to preschool and remind her the things with which they have fun in there.

Besides, be proud of her when she comes and tells you something she has done OK at school, and encourage her to keep going and improve their skills, same at dance classes. Tell her something you did in the past, some activity that you couldn't finish and now you regret having giving up from that.
Thanks. Yes, I try to do those things already, but she seems really negative about preschool. Especially when she's in a bad mood, there's just no convincing that preschool is fun even if she herself told me all sorts of fun things from her last class.

This morning, she was reluctant to even go and said she wouldn't be staying. Well, her fave teacher wasn't there, and the other teachers and I couldn't convince her stay. I ended up letting her come home with me and DS. I was getting pretty frustrated, but managed to bite my lip and not get angry. We'll see what happens on Friday. . .
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If she dosnt have to be there meaning if you are a SAHM then I just wouldnt send her. My mom was going to send me to K back when it wasnt mandatory and I didnt want to go so she kept me home I was ready to go the next year.
Dd1 had a friend in her class that started off with her in kindergarten. It was really hard on her and the mom pulled her out in March. She just felt that her dd was having a hard time adjusting. By the next September she was ready to go back to school again.

Kids are very emotional and have anxieties that they may not be able to put into words (my dd2 is having anxiety issues). I just try to give her the words for her to use so she can explain them better to me.

Another thing that I noticed is that the first day of school the teachers gathered the kids outside. The had called their names and then they led the whole class inside. This made the transition so much easier.

Maybe the preschool teacher can meet you outside and then take your dd into the class so then you will not have to be there for 30min trying to get your dd adjusted. This realy helps with any seperation anxiety.
post #18 of 23
When she is talking about all the fun things she did, can you record her voice or video her? Then when she's complaining about it, play it back to her to help her remember how fun it is?

A.
post #19 of 23
I wouldn't send her if she was that upset about going every morning.

Also remember that she may not "have to" go to kindergarten either. Have you considered homeschooling?
post #20 of 23
My DD sounds like she has a very similar personality, and we had similar issues around preschool. First the good news ... she is in kindergarten this year and after a couple weeks of adjusting to it she has been really positive about going to school each day. As for preschool, I needed her to go because I work part-time. I felt really conflicted about it and I think because she's a sensitive person she picked up on that, which made it a bigger struggle. It's like what you said about your husband dropping her off ... when my DD perceived that I was thinking "well, I COULD stay home from work today" she would resist going to school. I think part of the change in her attitude this year comes from the fact that we have always conveyed that she is going to kindergarten ... it's not something she can negotiate every day. Also the fact that it is every day makes it easier for her in a way; she seems to do better with routines.

Also, although my DD likes school she does not like classes and other organized activities, so this fall we have really focused just on school which has made things easier. Maybe if your DD drops ballet after this class ends you can concentrate on preschool until things start going more smoothly.
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