"Cover"-ed Girls! - Page 2

[Liquesce]

Originally Posted by smeisnotapirate

Ah, true. You have to cover your neck too, right? Ears?

Right ... so hot weather is all about long, loose, very lightweight cottons/linens/silks/rayons.

[Ruthla]

I actually prefer lightweight headcoverings all year round. I get hot very easily- and since I'm not about to take off a hat when I come inside, I need something light enough to wear inside with central heating. I do have one slightly heavier hat (cotton knit) that's warm enough for outside but cool enough for inside. I'm thinking of ordering a few more in more colors (but I really don't NEED any more hats right now. I just purchased 7 new headcoverings- I got a large check from SSI- back payments from between my application and my approval- and if it's not spent in 9 months it can interfere with my eligability, so now's the time to stock up on expensive clothes that will last me a decade.)

[Liquesce]

Originally Posted by Ruthla

I actually prefer lightweight headcoverings all year round. I get hot very easily- and since I'm not about to take off a hat when I come inside, I need something light enough to wear inside with central heating.

Generally I agree, but I developed a thing for those big wool/silk blend pashminas a few years back and, well, now that I have them I have to find some time to wear them.

[Ruthla]

OK, but wool and silk are natural fibers and not OVERLY hot the way that, say, polyester fleece can be.

[thisiswhatwedo]

Hi I have some questions if anyone would like to answer them...
Are most of the coverings in the links made for Christian or Jewish women? Is there a difference ?
I can visually see the difference here between how most Muslim women cover and most Christians and Jews but is this an Americanized way of covering or would this be typical of other Mennonite or Christian or Jewish women in other countries?
I lived in a very diverse student community for years and got to see the differences in covering from around the world and surprisingly in the personal tastes of women from around the world. I am fascinated by it.
I hope I am not hijacking this thread, if I am feel free to ignore me
thanks

[Ruthla]

I can't speak for Christians, but the traditional Jewish idea is to cover all of the hair, not just "have something covering the head." Of course, there are Jewish women in various stages of observance- I've seen Jewish women with baseball caps and a ponytail sticking out the back, Jewish women wearing hats with long hair sticking out from underneath (sometimes it's a wig, sometimes her own hair) or women simply wearing wigs (many Orthodox Jewish women wear wigs as these cover every stitch of her own hair, and many of these women also wear scarves,hats, and/or snoods at other times.)

I personally don't own a wig but do cover as much hair as possible- a little does seem to escape at the sides and look messy but I don't worry about that. I won't wear a ponytail sticking out- that's too much hair showing for me.

[Liquesce]

Ah. Different definition of what constitutes lightweight then. For me it's more like tissue linen, cotton voile, etc -- materials specifically intended for hot weather wear.

[TzippityDoulah]

Originally Posted by Ruthla

I can't speak for Christians, but the traditional Jewish idea is to cover all of the hair, not just "have something covering the head." Of course, there are Jewish women in various stages of observance- I've seen Jewish women with baseball caps and a ponytail sticking out the back, Jewish women wearing hats with long hair sticking out from underneath (sometimes it's a wig, sometimes her own hair) or women simply wearing wigs (many Orthodox Jewish women wear wigs as these cover every stitch of her own hair, and many of these women also wear scarves,hats, and/or snoods at other times.)

I personally don't own a wig but do cover as much hair as possible- a little does seem to escape at the sides and look messy but I don't worry about that. I won't wear a ponytail sticking out- that's too much hair showing for me.

I cover most fo my hair. some in the front sticks out. but all of the length and flow of it is covered. the only part showing is pulled back straight and certainly not "attractive" in the way long flowy hair would be.
honestly is bother me that most christians don't cover more hair. in fact I know a few people who wear a "doily" that is probably the size of my palm over their hair. this kinda confuses me honestly... I mean I guess the "head" has a covering on top of it... but I don't *think* this is what the command had in mind personally. of course, this is left up to many interpretations... I doubt we'd all agree on everything even if we wanted to.

[Liquesce]

Originally Posted by HennyPenny

honestly is bother me that most christians don't cover more hair. in fact I know a few people who wear a "doily" that is probably the size of my palm over their hair. this kinda confuses me honestly... I mean I guess the "head" has a covering on top of it... but I don't *think* this is what the command had in mind personally.

What does the Bible say with regard to headcoverings?

[TzippityDoulah]

in the NT it's 1 Corinthians 11: 1-16 where it mentions it most. other than that it's the VARIOUS OT commands (which again some people view as not necessary with the new covenant- I disagree with that very much.... but that is beside the point.)

Again, in the NT it doesn't specifically mention how much hair to cover. infact there is much debate over if it means the hair is the covering. and i honestly respect that idea if that is whatone truly thinks. there is also a belief that it is only for times of public prayer and worship - again I can see this interpretation. My confusion mostly lies with people who think that the head should be covered at all times, but them use a tiny little bow like covering. that one I've never "gotten".

[bmcneal]

I believe that in 1 Corinthians 11.5-6 it is implied that there is to be a covering apart from the hair. If you use the word "hair" in the passage, it reads 1 Corinthians 11.5-6 "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth without hair dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman not have hair, let her also be shorn; but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered." To me, that is a bit redundant in the use of hair as a covering. If you read it as a woman's head is to be covered apart from her hair, say, a scarf, it reads "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth without a scarf on dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman not wear a scarf, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a scarf."

This is just a personal interpretation, so that is how I read it. I wouldn't/don't judge someone just because they don't interpret the passage as I do, and I'm not trying to be judgemental.

A question I have is, if you have daughters, when would you ask/require/etc them to start covering, or do you let them decide whether they want to or not? DD likes to wear a bandana sometimes to be "just like mommy" but I don't know if I should ever try and ask/force her to. I'm just curious to what other mamas think.

[Ruthla]

Well, the Jewish view is that married women cover their hair, unmarried women and girls do not.

Sure, my kids "play dress up" with my hats sometimes, and might wear a baseball cap while playing outside in the summer or a warm hat outside in the winter, but they won't be covering full-time before marriage (at which point they'll be adults and decide for themselves if hair covering is right for them.)

[Liquesce]

Originally Posted by HennyPenny

My confusion mostly lies with people who think that the head should be covered at all times, but them use a tiny little bow like covering. that one I've never "gotten".

Most of the Christians I know who headcover use the somewhat translucent white caps that cover all or part of mostly the back of the head (no surprise considering where I live, right?). So I suppose I've always just assumed that there has been a clearly elucidated interpretation of symbolic covering behind this particular style. Is it not so clear how this style became popular then?

My mother is the lone Christian in my family, and while she was Mennonite for a lot of years her church wasn't big on headcovering so it's not something she's very familiar with the reasoning behind either. And while we may know a lot of covering Mennonites still, I'd be way too shy to walk up to someone and say, "Hi! So about that cap ... what's the history?"

[TzippityDoulah]

Originally Posted by bmcneal

A question I have is, if you have daughters, when would you ask/require/etc them to start covering, or do you let them decide whether they want to or not? DD likes to wear a bandana sometimes to be "just like mommy" but I don't know if I should ever try and ask/force her to. I'm just curious to what other mamas think.

I believe it's a command that one has to abide by from the heart, if I forced my child into it, what would be the point? that is our family's stance.... each family has to decide this one on their own of course. I'm sure all have their own reasons why they feel it's important to start at different times. to me it's like the command of baptizing... you can't force someone to do that. it has to come from the heart to show and outer change. (ok yes I realize a few people out there disagree with this point... but that is my take on it anyhow)

Most of the Christians I know who headcover use the somewhat translucent white caps that cover all or part of mostly the back of the head (no surprise considering where I live, right?). So I suppose I've always just assumed that there has been a clearly elucidated interpretation of symbolic covering behind this particular style. Is it not so clear how this style became popular then?

the "traditonal mennonite covering" is just a traditional thing. it's THEIR cultural interpretation. now why is it see through and bonnet shaped? well the first ones were NOT see through. infact they covered all the hair and showed little to nothing. but you know, times change fashions change... and tada, eventually the typical mennonite/amish capp/kapp was born.

but it ISN'T the Christian covering, it's the Mennonite/Amish Christian covering. Nuns have their own covering, as do quakers.. etc...

I am anabaptist and attend a mennonite church, but i wouldn't wear one, b/c to me it doesn't feel covered enough. my husband and i prefer to look to the Bible first and tradition next when deciding these things. I'm not saying it is "wrong", but it would be if I did it, b/c I don't feel it covers enough. that said some of my front hair is out of the covering, but this doesn't bother me. I so as best a job I can at keeping it all inside the covering but they slide back and what not... heh.

here are some examples of various anabaptist coverings:

http://www.quakerjane.com/spirit.fri...ress-caps.html

many mennonites/anabaptists are turning to these types of coverings as the hot issue of "does the cap cover enough to be considered a covering" has come up more often lately:

http://www.modesthandmaidens.com/catalog.html?item=45
Charity veil

[smeisnotapirate]

HennyPenny, I've seen mostly those pretty veils around here in Lancaster. Though, we do see our share of caps.

It's interesting, actually. The caps always go with plain dress, and the veils can be seen on girls and women wearing jean skirts and whatever on top. I've also seen the more lacy menonite coverings of the same style, ALWAYS accompanied by a jean skirt.

When I grew up Orthodox Catholic, it was proper in the Spanish church to wear a mantilla to prayer services and Mass.

Not sure if yonit's made it over, but she posted these on the Tishri thread.

[mommaduck]

I'm also a headcovering mama in Lancaster. But I'm NOT anabaptist. Thus, I've had to avoid any "charity veils" and anything that is plain white. I make my own snoods...both sewn and crochet. I love wearing tiechels. My daughters wear hats currently as their struggling with their headscarves during service is very distracting.

[TzippityDoulah]

Originally Posted by smeisnotapirate

HennyPenny, I've seen mostly those pretty veils around here in Lancaster. Though, we do see our share of caps.

It's interesting, actually. The caps always go with plain dress, and the veils can be seen on girls and women wearing jean skirts and whatever on top. I've also seen the more lacy menonite coverings of the same style, ALWAYS accompanied by a jean skirt. :

this is a joke for my husband and I too!!! we call jean skirts the "BMA Cape dress". (usually it's the BMA mennonites - which is where we go to church actually) I have always worn jean skirts too.. they are so much more practical. can dress them up or down and layer them for winter. they are durable too. love them. but I do hate looking so obviously BMA - not that it is a bad thing! just makes me feel funny sometimes
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I'm about 30 mins from lancaster too (in fact I should probably put that on my "location" instead... but anyhow...)

I wear snoods. some from Christian covering sites and one from a Jewish site... I LOVE snoods. I'm snood-crazy. no really, the veils and caps to me are SO uncomfortable! I can't stand wearing my hair in a bun. ruining it by crushing it all up in a heavy tight bun just doesn't work for me. it makes no sense to me to ruin my hair (it breaks off when I wear in a tight bun) and give myself headaches just to wear a certain covering. I see so many amish people with their hair pulled so tight it's falling out. OUCH! they must have heads of steel!

MOMMADUCK, I would love to see pics of the snoods you make. do you have anything you can post?

[Chavelamomela]

Originally Posted by Hebaume39

Does anyone have a suggestion for covering really long hair? My hair is to my knees and it makes a rather huge ball at the back of my head. I'm a baby coverer so I'm still rather clueless. Thanks a bundle.
Addie

For a long time I had very long hair and I kept it completely covered under hats or a wig. (I recently cut 12" off, so I am enjoying the new feeling of lightness).

For long hair, the long goody clips are essential. The trick is to pull all your hair back, and split it into two. Take each "pony" and put it in a goody clip, but make the clip "backwards." The flip each pony up in an "x" fashion, and fasten each end with another clip. If you need even more clips, as your hair comes all the way forward (almost like bangs), then pull it back again w. another clip.

I would use 4 clips (two at the bottom and two on top) but if you need an extra clip, you can do that.

Goody clips are better than ponys because you don't get the "bump" under the hat or wig from where the hair gathers - you get a smooth, flat look and spreads out the bulk.

If your hair isn't so thick, you can do this trick w. just two clips, one at the bottom (reversed) and one on top.

A professional wig-stylist showed me this method years ago and it has been a lot simpler and quicker than any other method I've heard of. People were shocked when they heard how long my hair was, because I managed to make my head look so flat and they couldn't see where the bulk was. (and I have thick curly hair).

ETA: Okay, I just re-read the original quote and realized your hair is to your KNEES. WOW. I thought my hair was long when it reached the bottom of my back. My suggestions may not work completely for you, as I don't have experience with that length of hair. Maybe a big braid?

[Ruthla]

My hair is very, very fine. Even when it's long I have no trouble putting it up into a bun and wearing a hat- nor was it a problem under a wig when I had one.

[mommaduck]

LOL! HennyPenny, sure...give me a bit and I'll have some posted by evening