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post #1 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:10pm
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The scaremongering and misinformation in this article just blows my mind.
http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/229042

I have people sending it to me as proof I should get everyone I know the flu shot.
post #2 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:18pm
Wish we had more real info on her case.

And I wonder why her mom thinks its the flu that killed her.

And the MRSA where did she pick that up from?
post #3 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:26pm
http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...and-the-media/

post #4 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:39pm
I think I saw a variation on this article elsewhere. I thought it was funny that they put a pretty incriminating bit of info from the CDC in there.

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Last year, 86 children died from the flu, according to the CDC. Pediatric flu deaths are increasingly also linked to other bacterial staph infections, including MRSA, the CDC notes.
What happened to 36,000 people die every year from the flu? Are the other 35,914 deaths adults? And why are they listed as flu deaths if they are actually MRSA deaths?

Oh well, just so long as panic ensues and everyone gets their flu shot.
post #5 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by mamakay View Post
WOW. Thank you for this link!
post #6 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:41pm
I've read a few news articles in the last few years that mention deaths from staph combined with flu and chicken pox are increasing. I got the impression the strains of staph are becoming more deadly and that combined with an immune lowering illness can be fatal. But it's still pretty rare.

It's a tragic story and it shows that flu can be deadly, even when you're healthy. I'm not going to question how healthy the girl was. I do believe the flu can kill healthy people. Obviously being healthy improves your chances but it's no guarantee.

But the assumption in the story is that THAT years flu vax would prevent THAT 86 child flu deaths THAT year. That's a big assumption.

I caught my last bout of flu from my fully vaxed dh, so I'm not terribly confident about flu vax.
post #7 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:42pm
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But the assumption in the story is that THAT years flu vax would prevent THAT 86 child flu deaths THAT year. That's a big assumption.
Right. That's the part that got to me--the adamant insistence that a flu shot would have made everything OK.

I actually hesitated posting this. I really dislike when people try to use someone's tragic death to make their point on either side. But I felt like this article was just so over-the-top.
post #8 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by mamakay View Post
Eerily accurate. Thanks for the link.
post #9 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:44pm
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Dr. Finelli of the CDC says, "The flu vaccine is the single best method to protect people against the flu. ... If people get vaccinated they're not going to get flu and MRSA because they're not going to get the flu."
4 strains, only protects against 4 strains..
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post #10 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:55pm
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Dr. Finelli of the CDC says, "The flu vaccine is the single best method to protect people against the flu. ... If people get vaccinated they're not going to get flu and MRSA because they're not going to get the flu."
I can't believe he actually said that you absolutely would not get the flu if you got a flu shot. That's insane. Even most of the mainstream 100% pro-vaxers I know realize that the flu shot is a gamble on whether they will even guess the correct strains that year and realize there are many strains they, or their children, could pick up.
post #11 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by MadameXCupcake View Post
4 strains, only protects against 4 strains..
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I thought it was only 3?
post #12 of 14
10/21/08 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by Shelsi View Post
I can't believe he actually said that you absolutely would not get the flu if you got a flu shot. That's insane. Even most of the mainstream 100% pro-vaxers I know realize that the flu shot is a gamble on whether they will even guess the correct strains that year and realize there are many strains they, or their children, could pick up.
What's even scarier is that the reporter didn't bother to question this blatant lie. Were they too incompetent to have done basic research on the flu vaccine or were they simply acting as a mouthpiece for a government agency?

Objective journalism indeed...
post #13 of 14
10/21/08 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by Shelsi View Post
I thought it was only 3?
I thought it was four. I was dealing with a poop mess at the time, but I'll google it now.


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Each of the three vaccine strains in both vaccines – one A (H3N2) virus, one A (H1N1) virus, and one B virus – are representative of the influenza vaccine strains recommended for that year. Viruses for both vaccines are grown in eggs.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/fluvaccine.htm


So it is 3, which makes his statement even more infuriating. 3 strains out of how many? :
post #14 of 14
10/22/08 at 4:12am
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Were they too incompetent to have done basic research on the flu vaccine or were they simply acting as a mouthpiece for a government agency?
C) all of the above
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