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Neurochemistry, Adoption, and Gentle Discipline - My Opinion  

post #1 of 20
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I don't mean to start an argument, but wanted to share some processing I've been doing mentally with other parents who understand adoption. This is about gentle discipline specifically, and I think it's safe to post about that on Mothering's forums. I do not intend to offend anyone so please, please, if this offends you, accept my apology.

Although our loved ones have been very understanding of our Toddler acting out, misbehaving, or perhaps being slower at manners and using his words, I know some people must think we are push-overs and spoiling him. I must be totally honest - if I hadn't adopted, I may not still be as adamant about gentle discipline. I may have used corporal punishment too. I may have continued that same way of teaching; that children are to behave and respect adults, and that slapping or spanking is a perfectly fine way to demand that.

There are days when the urge to smack him is almost unbearable. I put him in time-out just to walk away and count. Count to 10? No, a hundred. A thousand. A million somedays.

When I adopted though, I promised to use alternative methods. It was required as part of adopting, and part of our adoption training. Plain and simple. It's a rule for me. But rules get broken, and there are times when I almost do it.

One of my great interests is neurochemistry, and ultimately child development. Science continues exploring the human brain, and has shown that a complex dance of chemicals and electrical impulses work together as a baby's brain develops. Huge leaps of brain development are undergone in the first few years of life, as we all know when we see babies and toddlers learn at a lightning quick pace.

In the bio child, chemicals and neurons have come together in a mysterious alchemy to link mommy with safety, security, and ultimately life. He recognizes mommy's voice while in the womb, and can detect her smell almost as soon as he's born. By co-sleeping, his heart and breathing come together smoothly at an earlier age, beating in rhythm with his mother's. Even as he feels vibration and texture yet can't form complex thoughts about them, his brain chemistry adapts to know mommy is living, breathing, warmth, comfort, and food, all at once. His brain literally wires mommy and safety together as literally as we wire blue and the light rays that make it together. It is as much a part of his world view as food is good and hugs make me feel good. Mommy is love.

But the foster or adopted child? He may not get that wiring in infancy. At best, when he is finally given a forever home, he has to re-wire to a new mommy and daddy. This is likely why they regress, in my opinion - their brain has to forge whole new connections between safety, comfort, food, and care provider. It takes time because it's a complex dance of chemicals and impulses that wire the brain. When children are older, their brain may not re-wire as quickly, just as adults find they do not learn new languages as quickly as school age kids do. Brains are simply less plastic and the challenge for an adoptive child is forcing the new connections. Deep inside his brain, chemicals and neurons are dancing, and he is re-learning as he cries out to be held, is desperate to cuddle mama, and asks for foods just to be sure he will be fed.

What does he learn when he panics because he turns around and Mommy isn't behind him like she was a moment ago? He is afraid. What does he learn if Mommy gets frustrated about his "whining" and his "temper tantrum", and chastises him for not using words? What if Mommy slaps him to "give him something to cry about"? His little brain goes ok, here's the wire for pain, here's the wire for Mommy, let's link those together. Mommy means pain. Mommy means fear, frustration, and hurtful response.

When he wakes me up in the middle of the night, and can't even put into words his sudden panic and fear to find himself in a bed that is still not quite home, he needs me to baby him. He needs to know Mommy is close at hand, and like a newborn, he needs to know Mommy will respond with comfort and cuddles rather than frustration. He needs to rocked in a chair as if he was a few months old, to rest his ear against Mommy's chest so his brain can take in her scent, her heartbeat, and the rhythm of her breathing, and learn this as love.

Somedays I'd like to force Toddler to behave as I believe a kid should. My ego says "this little man needs to respect me by speaking politely and using manners rather than dissolving into a teary, wordless temper tantrum". But if nothing else, the re-wiring and building of his plastic little brain, which develops now and creates a lifetime personality based on my responses now, demands my ego be set aside, and I remember, in every movement and response I must show him love and safety above all else.
post #2 of 20
*wipes tear*

That was so well written. And so important for me to remember that she needs to be held (which is why she asks to be held so much) in order to program herself to trust me.

Now if you could write me something motivating to help me find patients for my 7 year old that would be good.
post #3 of 20
THanks for your post.

A page/site you may enjoy.....
http://home.earthlink.net/~hopefull/TC_brucedperry.htm
post #4 of 20
oh boy. that was beautiful and I believe you're right with all my heart. I haven't even adopted a child (yet) but I'll never forget reading this. I think it applies to my bio kids as well though.
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
I'm glad my processing has meant something to you ladies, thank you for saying so. We've had a rough time with Toddler regressing the past couple weeks and there's been a lot of frustration till I realized some of the things I detailed above. It's so easy for me to get locked in that ego battle of how he should respect me, and I need the reminder of how his brain is developing and gentle discipline helps him bond even if it doesn't seem as easy as hitting him/yelling at him/etc.

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Thank you, I can't read it all now, but it looks fascinating and I've bookmarked it for when I have some time.
post #6 of 20
Ahhhhhh, yeah. Sigh.

So much is the same with my 8 YO. I know where her fears come from, and I know it will take at least as long for her to heal as it did to wound her. 6 years in our case. But every time I even raise my voice (I go stern not loud, but it is clear I am angry) we regress in the trust I am trying so hard to build. I waver between wanting to hide all negative feelings from her (impossible - she is exquisitely aware of others' feelings -PTSD effect) and wanting her to learn that I am safe, even when I am angry. I can get mad but will never hit. never. NEVER. I say that directly after any incident that my emotions scare her. But I don't know if she will ever trust the way my bios do.
post #7 of 20
I am not critiquing what you said as far as discipline; we have not had to cross that bridge yet with an adopted child.

I know that in my state, corporal punishment is allowed for adopted children. Not foster children or foster-adopt children, but adopted and birth children? Absolutely. So on that I think it does depend on the state.
post #8 of 20

Very Nice :)

Thank you for posting this. My dear little one is almost three and was adopted at 8 1/2 months from China. She has slept with us from the first night and though she now has a little bed in our room, ends up climbing in with us during the night about 90% of nights.

I agree that she has special parenting needs at night and feel a strong afinity with the concept that it is just as important to parent at night as during the day. When our daughter first joined our family, she laid with her arms out stretched on both sides and kept contact with both my husband and I all through the night. She has definitely relaxed but still needs us a lot.

However it is learned it is important for adoptive parents to be aware of this before they adopt. We were lucky enough to be taught it by experiences with our bio children. Our oldest two slept in their own beds from birth and all appropriate "sleep rules" were followed. It worked for them and us and they are both happy children and good sleepers. Our third bio child was just different somehow. He was delivered three weeks early because he wasn't growing and though he wasn't a fussy baby, we just knew it was right for him to sleep with us. Which he did until he was four, moving into his own room six months before his new baby sister (our adopted child) joined the family.

So, we were taught this lesson by another child who needed the extra night time parenting and because of him, felt completely comfortable with keeping our new daughter with us at night.

Thank you for your thoughtful post.

Best Wishes,

Jackie
post #9 of 20
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I waver between wanting to hide all negative feelings from her (impossible - she is exquisitely aware of others' feelings -PTSD effect) and wanting her to learn that I am safe, even when I am angry. I can get mad but will never hit. never. NEVER.
Recently I've come to realize the reality with adopting is that I may never feel like a good parent. Honestly, I may always question whether I could address my son's trust issues and anxiety in better ways. When we recently were at a big awards dinner with other foster and adoptive parents, they told stories of their own trials and tribulations with the kids, and ultimately our social worker reinforced this as well - adoptive kids may always have sensory and attachment issues. You may be the best parent ever, do everything right, and still be left with a child that doesn't trust you as easily as perhaps a bio child would.

At the awards dinner, I was surrounded both by families who had just begun to foster and found themselves overwhelmed by the challenge, and those who had been doing it for many years and reminisced somewhat lovingly about the crazy things their kids have done and how badly they've felt somedays.

The reality is, it's hard. It is just hard. Even if we were perfect. So I try to do my best, just as you do too. And I try to do it despite the feeling that it's never going to end up in a perfectly happy, adjusted little boy in my life. And I guess we all do because our kids deserve our best shot, all the love we have, every moment we try, whether we ever get it perfectly right or not, whether they're ever fully trusting of us.

So I identify with your sigh, but I hope in some way I can remind you, you're doing your best, and that's a lot.
post #10 of 20
Interestingly, I think I am in some ways a better foster or adoptive parent then bio. I think it is because I have less guilt - it is not my fault that this kid is so messed up. The blame is squarely on the shoulders of mom, grandpa, and all the others who damaged this kid. So if she improves, I give myself credit. With my bio kids, I blame myself for their every tiniest fault, but take no credit when they do good.

ElderSon (bio, age 26) is married to a sweet young woman, has 2 babies, and is incredibly honest, loyal, and responsible. And yet, my primary thoughts about him are about his anger issues, and career choice (9 years in the Army, and planning a lifetime). I lament, as any good pacifist hippie would, "Where did I go wrong?" Breastfed, cloth-diapered, AP, radically unschooled, 1st half of his childhood on a sailboat in the Caribbean, Dad was a talented tattoo artist - the ultimate alternative upbringing!

I hope this doesn't mean I have lower expectations for the soon-to-be-adopted dumpling. You know, "I hope she isn't pregnant by 14", so I am a successful parent if she waits till 16. I need to think about this more - am I a good parent just because she no longer smears feces on the walls? With my bio-daughter, do I have different expectations? Are they of myself, or of her?

Holy cow, I wax philosophic tonight. I'd better quit and return to the quotidian world of baths and bedtimes...
post #11 of 20
Makes me glad I am nursing my adoptive newborn. I am giving her a chance to wire her brain to me right from the start. (And since she is acting basically the same ways my bioson did at this age, I think we're getting it right.)

May I recommend watching the dvd Unconditional Parenting http://www.amazon.com/Unconditional-...5070100&sr=8-1

It's an amazing dvd. It's 2 hours long, but you don't realize it's so long because he is so entertaining. My guess is you'll stop doing time outs after watching it.

I think his ideas work so well with what you are talking about.
post #12 of 20
EricaRain - What a perceptive post! This jives with something that came up on the AdoptiveParenting yahoo group a while back. When kids are due for a milestone but aren't getting the basic they need (love, protection, food, sensory stimulation etc) they'll skip the milestone. When they finally do get the basics they'll go back and develope the milestone and do all the associated behaviors even if these things seem too chonologically young for them.

My DD is an almost 3 and I'm constantly asking myself is this an adoption thing or a toddler thing. Recently my DD sang a concert for all the kids at day care while standing on the stage of a Little Tykes equipment. At that age I was a play in the corner in my own little world kid. Does this mean I'm the wrong parent? Ahhhhhhhhh

I couldn't nurse but I held DD constantly for her first two weeks. We slept on the sofa with her in a sling. I do think I'm in her wiring, so to speak. This isn't making toddler hood any easier.

Did you need reassurance? It totally sounds like you are on the right path. Don't let your loved ones comments get to you and especially don't let your vision of what a toddler should be like get in the way.
post #13 of 20
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Makes me glad I am nursing my adoptive newborn. I am giving her a chance to wire her brain to me right from the start. (And since she is acting basically the same ways my bioson did at this age, I think we're getting it right.)
Just a reminder that there is no guarantee of outcomes...that doesn't mean it's not right to do all the great attachment parenting things we do, only that it doesn't remove the losses our children have experienced.

I'm a little sensitive about this these days, because my daughter has been dealing with a LOT of grief around adoption for the past few months.
post #14 of 20
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Just a reminder that there is no guarantee of outcomes...that doesn't mean it's not right to do all the great attachment parenting things we do, only that it doesn't remove the losses our children have experienced.

I'm a little sensitive about this these days, because my daughter has been dealing with a LOT of grief around adoption for the past few months.
There's no guarantees with any kid, no matter the circumstances. However, I think the better start kids get, the better they will deal with life's challenges. I don't expect my daughter to be unscathed by the adoption, I am setting the circumstances to give her the best possible attitudes and coping skills.
post #15 of 20
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Just a reminder that there is no guarantee of outcomes...that doesn't mean it's not right to do all the great attachment parenting things we do, only that it doesn't remove the losses our children have experienced.

I'm a little sensitive about this these days, because my daughter has been dealing with a LOT of grief around adoption for the past few months.
I think that's important. Both because at times I find myself questioning attachment parenting (is this really going to make a difference to my adopted son or is he always going to be a product of his situation prior to meeting me?) and because I think we have to remind ourselves that no matter how great we are and how well we do as parents, we cannot guarantee a good outcome. It is simply not entirely in our hands, even as we do the best we possibly can. If we don't recognize that, we beat ourselves up when times get rough.

There's a lot of info for people considering adoption on the process legally, but I'm glad to see others I can discuss the emotional ramifications with. I wanted to say man, this IS hard, and know that folks would understand what I mean. We can only get that through adoption support I think, so I'm so glad you're all here sharing with me and willing to let me ramble on too
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
And sorry, I wanted to add - I don't mean to imply bio parents don't beat themselves up or wonder if they did it right. I am a bio mom too, for one thing, so I know better. For another, I've seen enough bio families that I would never suggest otherwise.

But the particular circumstances and experiences that often only relate to adoptive and fostering situations? I'm just glad to have a place (here) to discuss that too, since I don't know many adoptive families yet.
post #17 of 20
I've been thinking a lot about this thread in the context of nursing and co-sleeping with my adoptive baby.

The idea that her EEG matches mine when we sleep. The idea that she is ingesting my DNA (and stem cells) when she nurses.

How do these acts help shape who she will become? I'm sure there are no studies about this. In the US there is probably little anecdotal evidence.

Is it known how stem cells in breastmilk effect any baby? You'd think there would be benefits. The birthfather of our baby is unknown. I worry, from time to time, that maybe he has mental illness or another genetic disease. I believe Attachment parenting will help overcome many risks. I wonder if breastmilk and co-sleeping/EEG changes from someone not genetically related can become protective?

Anyone have ideas or information?

I know the children this was originally written towards didn't have the benefits my baby has due to the circumstances. However, I would love other people's thoughts.
post #18 of 20
Attaching in Adoption: Awakening Love in the deeply trouble child. Please read this book, it reads like a novel, but is SO SO SO SO amazing and speaks to many of the issues you are discussing.
post #19 of 20
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Attaching in Adoption: Awakening Love in the deeply trouble child. Please read this book, it reads like a novel, but is SO SO SO SO amazing and speaks to many of the issues you are discussing.
Do you mean Building the Bonds of Attachment:Awakening love in deeply troubled children by Dan Hughes? If so, it really does read like a novel (so much so that i read parts to my older son so he would have insight into RAD should we need it), its one of my fav. adoption books.

Katherine
post #20 of 20
OOO, yes yes, THANK YOU for correcting me Building the Bonds of Attachment, it's a worthy read.
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