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post #1 of 67
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When I got prego with ds, my first, I wanted to be a SAHM so we needed to downsize and get rid of one of our cars. So dh's regular cab truck had to go. I promised him as soon as he made E-5 (he was in the military) that I would get him his truck. But then stuff happened, he wasn't allowed to test for E-5 for several years through no fault of his own, then we had another baby and we just never seemed to have the extra money for another car payment. Then he was deployed all the time so there was no point and then he separated from the military and was unemployed for about 4 months.

Now he's in his new job, making pretty decent money but in a high COL area. He's been there since the end of August and I don't see him changing jobs any time soon, nor are we worried about his job security.

Here's the thing: his dream truck is a brand new 2009 Dodge Ram. He's been staring at them and drooling over one for almost a year now. He's worked hard even in a job he hated (military) and never asked me to go to work. Not only that, he comes home from working all day and cleans the house, does the dishes, the laundry, plays with the kids, changes diapers, does all the solid food feedings of the baby.

I think, if we put enough down, that we could afford the monthly payments and the insane amount of gas it will take. We've been putting close to $1000/mo into savings after putting money towards retirement. Our car will be paid off this time next year ($330/mo payment). However we would like to buy a house sometime in the next couple of years (homes here would be a bare minimum of $300K). And although I've been socking away money these past few months we don't have that much in savings since we had to use most of it while he was unemployed and to move across the country.

Dh doesn't know I'm even considering the truck. He says he's perfectly ok getting a used smaller car...something like a Toyota Corolla. We would pay for it with cash and of course the gas would be much more reasonable especially since he has a commute. Of course this makes the most financial sense. But I can't help but want to run out and buy one of those trucks for him and drive it home with a big bow on the front (I do all the money stuff, I could make a giant purchase like that without asking whereas he can't spend more than $20 without asking because he's terrible with money lol, he's cool with this arrangement).

Remind me again why I shouldn't do this?

Oh and we don't have much debt: just the car which will be paid off next year and a student loan which we still have 5 yrs on (at $70/mo).

ETA: this prob makes no difference but if they had any sort of 0% interest promo I'm sure we'd qualify, we have excellent credit.
post #2 of 67
Well, if he said he's okay with buying the Corolla and hasn't even brought up the truck, then what if he's not that interested anymore? What if he sees all the good reasons to not buy one, and then you go do it? Sure, he'd be happy, but it'd be putting more financial pressure on your family than it sounds like you're comfortable with.

It's awesome that you feel this love and generosity of spirit toward him. Is there something else that's less of a long-term investment that you could surprise him with? I know my DH has a long list of sporting equipment that would make his toes curl. And there's always lingere!
post #3 of 67
how much of a "Car Guy" is he? Why does he want the truck? Off Road? 4wd? weekends towing things and hauling things? If he is ok with a Corolla then I would suggest that you buy the Corolla, but that doesn't have to be it.

It makes perfect sense to have a Daily driver, then a weekend fun car, especially a gas guzzler. When I was growing up and even still today my dad always had a company car and a Truck, because he loves to be able to tow his boat, and haul truck loads of stuff.

The best thing is that the fun car, if it is not your primary car, doesn't have to be reliable, practical, or even fuel efficient for you to enjoy it! Maybe he wants a big cool truck but he needs it to be reliable enough to commute... Fine buy a $25,000 dodge ram and move on OR, buy the $3000 Corolla and then buy a $4000 International Scout or a $4000 1969 small block chevy C-10 truck, or really the choices are endless... and since he will be getting 30mpg on the weekdays it won't matter that his loud powerful fun weekend truck gets 10mpg and has tires that wear out fast! With a reasonable daily driver, and a fun weekend truck you get to have your cake and eat it too... you have gas mileage AND fun... and all for less than half the price of the truck he THINKS he wants.

Honestly if a specific new car is your dream car (I know this from my own stupid experience) then I have big doubts that it is really your dream car... New cars cannot be purely dream cars because they have not had the chance to stand the test of time... maybe you are attracted to the ad or the newness, but the truth is there will be a newer one with better ads next year, and your truck will still be a 2009 then. They will never make a newer 1979 Scout International, it is impossible - so this is more likely to be a dream truck that will remain a dream truck.

I strongly support hobby cars, because it is a love of mine, but also because I know a lot of people that spend way less on their car situation because they have a "beater" and their weekend car, and they are way happer with their car situation than the guy that drives a brand new "compromise" car.
post #4 of 67
I completely agree wtih ShaggyDaddy.

There is nothing inherintly WRONG with buying the truck...can you afford to do both? Used fuel efficient AND a truck (not new?)

Husband adn I have this plan. Right now, we have a company Ranger and my Focus. Both great on gas and trips. We also have a 95 Nissan that has sat for 2 years we are trying to sell.

Our next car will not be a "Replacement" car, per se. We have decided that our next car has to meet the following criterea: Fun, Sexy and UNPractical. And most likely, NOT new.

Can you find him somthing LIKE the 09 Dodge that he would LOVE that would cost less (used)?

Mrs B
post #5 of 67
I agree that if he's okay with a small economical car, that's what you should get. I do understand your wanting to get him the dream truck--I have been there, too.
I encouraged DH to get his dream truck a few years ago. He loved it and hated it. He was somewhat Earth-conscious, and often felt guilty driving it. As he became more nad more environmentally aware, he decided it was not worth the payments any longer. Back then, it was a snap to sell. Nowadays, had we waited and tried to sell it, we would probably be stuck with it still. I wouldn't take a chance like that now.
I think a new dream vehicle will come along again. Go with what he's okay with. It makes better sense.
post #6 of 67
It just seems like a waste of money to me while you are still renting. (I assume you are b/c you talk about buying a house in the future)
post #7 of 67
I would talk to him about it. It might really just be a dream that he's not serious about. Like I dream about getting all new hardwood floors in my house but honestly, it won't be happening for a while, if ever. But that doesn't mean I don't dream about it and talk about it.

And really, if my DH went out and got all new floors and had to put us into debt to do it, I would feel so guilty about it!! Of course, I feel guilty about everything! But I wonder if your DH would feel the same way about the truck, KWIM?
post #8 of 67
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He definitely 110% would love a truck. Hands-down he would be very cool with the idea of the truck.

As far as how much of a "car guy" he is. He's sort of strange. He knows nothing about the insides of a car. He's not going to pop the hood and even pretend to understand most of the workings. He can't change the oil or anything like that. He just loves driving a truck. It wouldn't be to haul anything regularly. He'd just be driving it to his work (an office).

He regularly, ever since he had to get rid of his last truck 4.5 yrs ago, researches trucks. For him it's all about the look of the car or truck. He's very materialistic and just loves to have expensive new things. Which he hasn't really had any expensive new things for a very long time...not since he's been married to me anyways! He STILL talks about the first new car he ever bought over 10 yrs ago and how much he loved it and wishes he still had it. So even though he loves new things he definitely loves them forever. I know he wouldn't get the new truck and then the following year want the next new truck, kwim? He'd most likely drive the truck until it started to fall apart.

He would love a new TV but he doesn't even hardly watch TV. Really a TV and a truck are the only 2 things he talks about. I can't pay cash for a used car for him and get a TV without financing the TV. Ugh, I don't know. I know I shouldn't buy the truck. The cost of gas would just suck especially with his commute. But OTOH I know it wouldn't financially kill us.

Oh and his idea of a fun weekend truck would be some sort of brand new truck as well. His dad has a fun car that he bought a few years ago. It's some sort of Dodge truck that has a viper engine in it and it cost him like $50K...that's what my dh would do too if he had a bunch of money.
post #9 of 67
Remind yourself that just because you can afford the payments does not mean you can afford the car.
post #10 of 67
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And really, if my DH went out and got all new floors and had to put us into debt to do it, I would feel so guilty about it!! Of course, I feel guilty about everything! But I wonder if your DH would feel the same way about the truck, KWIM?
I WISH my dh would feel guilty about putting us into debt! lol. If I let him control the finances our credit would be maxed, we'd have brand new cars, new giant TV, prob a new computer, lots of brand new clothes, and the list goes on. He just has no financial sense at all. I don't think he would stress if we were in debt up to our eyeballs or had no debt and tons and tons of money in savings. He leaves it all up to me and luckily for him I'm not the "in debt up to our eyeballs" kind of girl.
post #11 of 67
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Another option: He would prob definitely also be happy with a used F-150; like maybe one that is a few years old. Maybe that would be a good compromise? I could still put $5-6K down and then we'd finance around 10K? We could prob easily do a 36 mos loan and pay it off early....
post #12 of 67
Gas can always go up too. I wouldn't buy a new vehicle right now, I think you will be more likely to regret buying it than to regret NOT buying it.
What if he got an older, more fuel efficient vehicle and got a really nice custom paint job or something? That would work out much cheaper, still look really nice, and be very personal.
post #13 of 67
I would think you ened to sit down together and decide which you want more: a truck or to buy a house sooner. If you get a truck the house will take longer, and maybe you guys are ok with it, maybe you aren't. But you should decide together.
post #14 of 67
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Gas can always go up too. I wouldn't buy a new vehicle right now, I think you will be more likely to regret buying it than to regret NOT buying it.
What if he got an older, more fuel efficient vehicle and got a really nice custom paint job or something? That would work out much cheaper, still look really nice, and be very personal.
I really like that idea! I'll see if I can subtly run it past dh...I'd really like whatever I do to be a xmas surprise.
post #15 of 67
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I encouraged DH to get his dream truck a few years ago. He loved it and hated it. He was somewhat Earth-conscious, and often felt guilty driving it. As he became more nad more environmentally aware, he decided it was not worth the payments any longer. Back then, it was a snap to sell. Nowadays, had we waited and tried to sell it, we would probably be stuck with it still. I wouldn't take a chance like that now.
I think a new dream vehicle will come along again. Go with what he's okay with. It makes better sense.
That is EXACTLY what happened to us. My husband was driving me crazy with his burning need for a Nissan Titan. He'd be online looking and researching and telling me all about it and I kept saying, "Just get the stupid thing, already!" He finally found exactly the right deal and made it happen.

He had his truck, we drove it sporadically (using my car for any trips that didn't *need* the truck so we could save gas), and we literally only ended up putting 5k miles a year on it. He decided it totally was not worth having the truck, and we instead needed another family vehicle that could also carry his elderly parents, plus the car seat, plus he and I.

We were able to sell the Titan last spring before the gas prices skyrocketed and got a good price for it, and bought a CRV. Had we tried to sell it now, we'd have totally lost our tails, been stuck paying way more for gas, and would have scarcely used it. We use the CRV all the time now.

My point: dream truck that isn't practical doesn't get used, hence is a waste of money.
post #16 of 67
If you had the cash to pay upfront for the car, that is one thing (my dad bought my mom a fancy car as a gift for completing her master's degree a few years ago but he bought it outright, no debt or car payments).

But I would never.ever.ever consider buying my husband a fancy car as a gift via debt - car payments are not worth it unless they are your only way to have a working vehicle. Financing $10k worth of car is a lot of money to be in debt for on an asset that depreciates in value and will cost you quite a bit of money to run and in upkeep.

Please don't put your family into debt over something like this. It's not wise.
post #17 of 67
Wait a year. The vehicle you currently have will be paid off in a year. Put extra payments towards that & you can have it paid off in less time. In a year the price of the dodge truck will be lower & October is the best time to buy a vehicle as they'll deal more to get rid of vehicles to make room for the new ones. Don't buy it yourself, let dh go in. They'll give a man a deal, they won't a female. You'll be lucky if they even acknowledge you're in the room, even if you're the one with the chequebook.
post #18 of 67
Why not get a older Dodge that cost less but still nice? We have a Dodge with an after market computer chip thingy that gives us 20% more MPG.
post #19 of 67
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Wait a year. The vehicle you currently have will be paid off in a year. Put extra payments towards that & you can have it paid off in less time. In a year the price of the dodge truck will be lower & October is the best time to buy a vehicle as they'll deal more to get rid of vehicles to make room for the new ones. Don't buy it yourself, let dh go in. They'll give a man a deal, they won't a female. You'll be lucky if they even acknowledge you're in the room, even if you're the one with the chequebook.

I would love to wait a year but we need a 2nd car now. Even if we just found some older car for, say, $3K then that would be 3K we wouldn't have for a down payment next year and I can't run under the assumption that we wouldn't have to throw money into it for maintanence or be able to sell it for much next year, kwim?

yeah the most perfect scenerio would be to pay off our car right now in about 5-6 mos, then find dh a truck to "replace" our current car payment which wouldn't change our budget much (except for the extra gas but like I said, we're doing OK and we could handle that). But we just moved here, I don't know anyone at all, and he has to take the car to work every day. By the time he gets home it's late and we can't really get out because it's close to dinner and the kids' bedtimes. So I never get out of this house. I'm completely trapped and getting depressed because of it. So some sort of 2nd vehicle needs to be bought in the next month or so. I'm trying hard to hold out until December when dh gets a 3K bonus but I might go : before then
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I think, if we put enough down, that we could afford the monthly payments and the insane amount of gas it will take.
That's why you shouldn't. In this economy, do you want to worry about barely making ends meet, and maybe not making ends meet, because of a truck payment? That is crazy.

Also, don't forget the extra insurance.
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