lying okay to hospital? - Page 2

[knowerofnada]

Originally Posted by spero

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There are conflicting opinions on this subject here. Personally, I wouldn't lie/be vague. I simply say, "We don't vaccinate for religious reasons".

That's exactly what I say. Then nobody can touch it.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by the_lissa

I wouldn't lie, but it has never come up at the ER, dentist, or anywhere else like I have read on mdc. I can't fathom why the topic of vaccinations would come up for something like a fall.

Why? Because Drs are taught that every contact is an opportunity for vaccination.

[mamajama]

Originally Posted by the_lissa

I wouldn't lie, but it has never come up at the ER, dentist, or anywhere else like I have read on mdc. I can't fathom why the topic of vaccinations would come up for something like a fall.

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[mamajama]

Originally Posted by Emmeline II

Why? Because Drs are taught that every contact is an opportunity for vaccination.

Not in my experience. not at all. Our family doctor has never even asked.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by mamajama

Not in my experience. not at all. Our family doctor has never even asked.

It is what they are taught. The AAP actually recommends firing "non-compliant" parents, though GPs have a greater tendency to be naughty and miss opportunities to vaccinate:

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...eg/herceg.html
Opportunistic vaccination, including in hospital emergency departments, has frequently been identified as a way of improving immunisation coverage.12 In 1996, many GPs potentially missed opportunities to vaccinate by infrequently or never checking children's immunisation status when they presented for another reason.

[mamajama]

Maybe it's different in Canada.

[phathui5]

Originally Posted by CarrieMF

I don't consider what you did lying. Your child is up to date on the shots you are or aren't allowing. so saying yes he's up to date is not a lie.

I'd think it is a lie because you know that they're asking that meaning "Is he up to date on the vaccines we think he should have?" Saying an unvaccinated or partially vaccinated child is up to date would be lying in that situation.

[triscuitsmom]

Originally Posted by mamajama

Maybe it's different in Canada.

Or maybe you lucked out with your area and/or your doctor

I'm in Canada, always have been... and have always been asked for myself about vaccines, and I was in and out of the hospital a lot as a kid. Now as an adult I'm always asked, but now it's just for tetanus, and rubella (specifically because I'm about the right age to be "due" (I'm not getting it) for a Td booster, and because I'm obviously of childbearing age (and childbearing ) I'm asked about rubella). They jump on people all the time in our ER with tetanus, even if they come in with something completely unrelated, if they can't prove they've had a booster in the last 10 years.

I'd think family doctors would be less likely (if someone was going to be) to ask every time, only because if you've answered them before they'll probably figure you will bring it up if you want to change your mind... at least this is the case with my family doctor. He asked a lot when T was first little, but then stopped, leaving it up to me to bring it up if I changed my mind. We'll see what happens with this new baby... whether it starts over again.

But I've been asked by at least one dentist, every ER I've ever frequented (and it's a lot , all over the province), most clinic doctors I've seen (especially with a little child because it's easy for them to fall behind with there being so many so quick on the schedule and they like to remind you to update), and the naturopath we used to see... plus my family doctor.

[the_lissa]

That's odd. Every dentist, ER, university health doctors, family doctors, etc I've seen all over S. Ontario don't ask about vax status at all.

[triscuitsmom]

Originally Posted by the_lissa

That's odd. Every dentist, ER, university health doctors, family doctors, etc I've seen all over S. Ontario don't ask about vax status at all.

Weird... I'm not really sure what counts as S. Ontario vs not, but I've been asked at both Grand River and Guelph General.

[the_lissa]

Really? I went to Grand River several times in university and was never asked.

[triscuitsmom]

Originally Posted by the_lissa

Really? I went to Grand River several times in university and was never asked.

I was only there once but *nods*... apparently I'm just lucky...

But like I said, some of it could be an age thing... I find the younger the patient involved the more they get asked (and most of the hospitals I was in I was younger, much fewer since I've been older). I think I've only ever been asked because they were really looking to know about Td and/or rubella since I've been an adult.

[LavenderMae]

I would say "Yes, he/she is we don't vax for religious reasons". But really I don't think it's wrong of the OP to just have said yes I would do the same depending on the reason we are there.
I have put yes on the form at the dentist asking if my kids are up to date and I do not think it should even be asked on the form in the first place.

I am all for honesty but sometimes you do need to cover your ass (and your kids') and that is way more important imo than telling medical personel for unrelated reasons my child's vax status. Sometimes it's better to be smart than honest.

[Mackenzie]

Originally Posted by bri276

And besides, "up to date" is not a legal term. My up to date and your up to date and their up to date could be several different things.

However- if I were bringing her in for what I believed to be a vax-preventable disease, I would be honest because it could change the course of treatment. For example, many MDs will not dx a fully vax'ed child with pertussis even if they have all the symptoms. Also, in that situation, they might review the chart and figure out you're lying anyways.

That is exactly it. Whose definition of up to date are we using here? It's my kid so I would say that we are using mine.


However, if they ask specifically "does your child have xyz vaccine" then I usually answer appropriately.


It is a matter of personal preference and how much question and answer you can take at the moment. In case of emergency, when you are already likely to be stressed, I can understand not wanting to get into it.

[spero]

Originally Posted by the_lissa

I still don't think there is any point. I've never been asked about my vax status or my children's, even when there was a rubella outbreak here.

You're lucky! I happen to live in an area where everyone asks about vax status. Oddly enough, the only one who hasn't (yet : ) asked is DD's pediatric endocrinologist.

Originally Posted by Emmeline II

The AAP actually recommends firing "non-compliant" parents,

Recently "fired" non-compliant parent here!

Originally Posted by phathui5

I'd think it is a lie because you know that they're asking that meaning "Is he up to date on the vaccines we think he should have?" Saying an unvaccinated or partially vaccinated child is up to date would be lying in that situation.

I totally agree. At best, it's being vague, and I personally wouldn't do either. If the doc wants to argue vaccination, I simply won't engage in that. You can't have an argument if one person refuses to discuss.

Originally Posted by LavenderMae

I have put yes on the form at thecdentist asking if kids are up to date and I do not htink it should even be asked on teh form in the first place.

In a case like that, I would put n/a (not applicable) on the form.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by phathui5

I'd think it is a lie because you know that they're asking that meaning "Is he up to date on the vaccines we think he should have?" Saying an unvaccinated or partially vaccinated child is up to date would be lying in that situation.

From a moral standpoint I don't care if it's lying as I do what is necessary to protect my child and make sure the get proper care instead of fighting off a spinal tap because "he's not vaxed it might be meningitis!" or a social worker.

From a legal stand point I'd probably go with he's up to date.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Gavin'smom

No, I don't think it's ok to lie about your childs vax status. I think it puts your child at a disadvantage.

Just curious but in what way does omitting lying about vax status, put a child who is in the ER for a fall at a disadvantage??

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Just curious but in what way does omitting lying about vax status, put a child who is in the ER for a fall at a disadvantage??

NONE!

Thanks for bringing this back to the actual topic.

And those darn doctors should concentrate on seeing whether the child has a brain concussion instead of worrying about the MMR or whatever...The whole vaccine issue is getting out of hand.

[momto l&a]

I have taken one of our dd to the ER 3 times. Twice I was asked about vaccines because they where filling out her form and I said we don't vaccinate for religious reasons and that was the end of that. Never heard another thing about vaccines.