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post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by khanni View Post
I think most non-organic dairy formulas have a high amount of corn syrup in them too.
No, i dont think so...at least not the ones i looked at. We used Target brand milk based formula, and it has no corn syrup, and when i was doing my comparing it was either with Similac or Enfamil (milk based)...no corn syrup. Whereas with the soy formula, corn syrup is the first ingrediant, meaning that is what the formula has most of (and indeed is 43 percent corn syrup). The ingredients on our Target milk based formula are nonfat milk, lactose, vegetable oils (palm olein, soy, coconut, high oleic (safflower or sunflower) oil) whey protein concentate and then less than 1 percent of a bunch of vitamin type stuff i dont feel like typing out. The main ingredient in milk based formula is milk. The main ingredient in mainstream soy formula is corn syrup solids.

Its good to know that the organic formula doesnt have corn syrup, although it still freaks me out how a baby can thrive on brown rice syrup. At least milk based formula is, well, milk. Cow's milk, sure, but at least its mammal milk. Thats not an indictment of mom's whose babies need soy formula, as i said you do what works, and give your baby what they can tolerate. I'm just really glad i didnt have to make that choice.


Katherine
post #22 of 28
My not exactly scientific scale:
Human milk from a healthy mom with a well balanced diet is a perfect 10.
Human milk from a healthy mom with an average diet is a 9.5.
Human milk from a mom who isn't healthy with an average diet is a 9.

Human milk pumped by a healthy mom with an average diet is an 8.
Pasturized human milk pumped by a donor with an unknowable diet is a 6.

Milk based formula is a 2.
Soybased formula is a 1.5.

Anything else is below a 1.

All formulas have some form of sugar whether it is cows lactose of corn syrup, though instictively lactose sounds a lot better if one is on soyformula for a dairy alllergy, then lactose will likely cause problems. The difference between rice syrup and corn syrup is minor, as long as one doesn't have a corn allergy there is no nutritional difference. Many milk based formulas do have corn syrup in them, sometimes it's listed as a fancy name to go unnoticed.

It would be nice if every child could get
human milk from a healthy mom with a well balanced diet, but in the real word stuff happens and we give our LOs the best that we are able to. Though soy formula isn't great, it is better than giving you LO milk based formula if that is making them sick.
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by eepster View Post
Many milk based formulas do have corn syrup in them, sometimes it's listed as a fancy name to go unnoticed.
Can you give me an example of a "fancy" name for corn syrup? I looked up both enfamil and similac ingrediant lists online, and didnt see anything that could remotely be corn syrup...but maybe i'm missing it. It seems that in milk based formulas that i have looked at, the ingrediants are basically nonfat milk, lactose, veg. oil, whey, and then a bunch of vitamins/minerals. whereas on the soy formula, corn syrup solids are very clearly stated as the first ingrediant.

Of course, there are lots of different brands of formula, i only looked at a couple (the major ones.) so i could be missing it.


Katherine
post #24 of 28
To answer the OP, soy formula isn't illegal in any European countries that I know of, but the only conceivable reason to use it I can think of is if you are a vegan with breastfeeding difficulties and are therefore opposed to the hydrolysate/elemental formulas. If you know your child has a tendency to allergies, there is a very real possibility that you're going to sensitize them to soy through the use of soy formula, and that's going to be a royal PITA because soy is hidden, generally, even better than milk or nuts are in ingredient listings.
Plus the oestrogen issue- I just don't accept that humans are meant to eat soy, except when it's been fermented. PLUS you are harming the environment by supporting the drive to grow just four arable crops, and the lack of biodiversity is catastrophic for wildlife. (Corn, obviously, is one of the other big four in over-production today.) I just don't see a justification for it. If your kid can't tolerate dairy or cows milk formula, you should be using elemental formulas instead. (which are paid for in every universal healthcare system I know, btw).
post #25 of 28
Soy based formulas will have a sweetener as the first ingredient because it goes by volume. And without the sweetener it would not be palatable to an infant or have the sugars necessary.
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by flapjack View Post
I just don't see a justification for it. If your kid can't tolerate dairy or cows milk formula, you should be using elemental formulas instead. (which are paid for in every universal healthcare system I know, btw).
Not in Canada, at least not for a milk intolerance issue.

Elemental formulas are nothing to just lightly recommend to anyone. Yes, some children struggle with soy and that needs to be seen as a risk but IME, many children require a milk alternative and soy is about the best thing on the market right now when you consider affordability, availability and research. Is it ideal? No.
post #27 of 28
Once you're in that situation, it can already be close to a living nightmare- I was lucky, I was still breastfeeding my allergic baby so formula never made up the majority of his diet. I do think, though, that soy is so far from ideal that it really isn't acceptable and with our current level of knowledge, elemental formula should be the chosen course of action.
OP, have you tried both whey and casein-based formulas, by the way? We found Isaac reacted far less to the casein-based ones than he did whey, and I know some children who appear to be extremely intolerant of one kind of formula but can actually thrive on the other. It could be worth a try...
post #28 of 28
I'd like to see soy formulas used only if breastfeeding isn't possible (or supplementation is necesary) AND the baby doesnt' tolerate milk based formulas.

Soy formula isnt' "bad"- but it's not nearly as good as breastmilk and it's far more highly processed (and less like human milk) than a cow's milk based formula. But, it's still nutritionally complete for infants and a heck of a lot better than filling up a tiny baby with solids before they're ready.

It bugs me to see parents choosing soy formula when the baby can tolerate dairy. But the woman with the adopted baby with a dairy allergy- that's exactly what soy formula was made for!
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