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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
With all the talk about human vaxs, I was wondering what everyone's views are on animal (pet) vaccines? I believe it's illegal *not* to vax domesticated animals (especially dogs, since they have to be licensed), is it not?

To be honest, my cat hasn't had her shots updated since we brought her home from the shelter (in Jan of 2007). She was supposed to get updated in January, but she had to have intestinal surgery from swallowing a string toy (poor baby), so I put it off not wanting to "traumatize" her further. She is indoors-only, spayed, and she is our only animal. In this case, is it more dangerous to NOT vax a pet, or or to get it done? I really don't know a thing about animal vaccines.
post #2 of 24
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post #3 of 24
Actually, here's a good recent discussion from the Pets forum: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=985898
post #4 of 24
My four month old is currently unvaccinated, and will likely remain that way. I just made an appointment for my canine beasts to go in for their annual vaccines.

Personally, I am not against vaccines as a whole. My problems with human vaccines is their sketchy safety records, the conflicts of interest in the industry, and that we don't know the long term effects of these new vaccines. I don't have the same with animal vaccines.

I have never owned a cat, so I am not sure what they vaccinate against. But with my dogs, I consider rabies to be worth vaccinating against, same with parvo and distemper. I also don't want to ever have to be in a position of having them quarantined just because they haven't had their shots.

Also, unless someone can correct me on this, it is a lot easier to understand long term effects in pets. Because "long term" for them is only like 15 years.

If your cat is strictly indoor only you could probably make the case for forgoing vaccinations, but my dogs LOVE going to the off-leash park, have been to obedience classes, doggie daycare, and occasionally need to be kennelled when we go away, so for us the vaccines are necessary.
post #5 of 24
once dogs get a vaccine, it's lasts waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than one year. more like 6-9 yrs.

my dogs had one series of vaccines as puppies and that's it. they are now 8 yrs old. (except that i got cornered at the vets office last month when there for an eye scratch and had to get rabies).

if you are unsure about whether your dog has immunity to things that are a real threat to them, which is usually only when they are puppies, you can always have a blood titre drawn and tested for immunity rather than unnecessarily vaccinating them. Many many dogs develop cancerous tumors at the site of vaccine injections.
post #6 of 24
My dog was fully vaccinated as a puppy and had a severe reaction to one of the shots...parvo and distemper, I think it was. His little body swelled all over and he was gasping for air--it was awful. I still have him vaccinated for rabies every year, because in the event that he bites someone or is even accused of biting someone, I would hate to have him destroyed simply because I couldn't prove he'd had his shots.

For the other vaccines we just do titers. They're actually cheaper than the shots and my vet prefers it because he doesn't have to keep the dog for observation afterwards. Ask about getting titers--it's much, much easier and most animal vaccines last a lot longer than you'd think.
post #7 of 24
My dogs are WAY overdue on their shots and won't be getting another for the rest of their life. My 6 y/o Great Dane has had one set of puppy shots at 12w,and a rabies at 2 years, and my 3 mixes haven't been vaxed in close to 8 years. We have 2 cats, one is a stray that wandered up 2 years ago, never been to a vet so I'm not sure about her vax status but I won't be giving her any. I have an 9 week old kitten that I've already cancelled getting his first set (and only) vaxs once and about to cancel them again.

My SIL just vaxed her dog last week for rabies, she is now seizing, extremely disoriented and blind. You can see my post in the "Pets" section to read about it detail.
post #8 of 24
My opinion and research led me to find out pets are VERY over vaccinated. There's also been a rise in pet seizure disorders, diabetes and cancers (our last dog got bone cancer who was vaxed every single year for everything!)
Please search pet vaccine reaction on you tube. There's a video showing a dog having a severe reaction.
Our dog gets her rabies because it's required by law and to license her. We got her a combo at a year old and will run titers in 3 years for immunity.
post #9 of 24
Vaccines for animals are every bit as nasty and full of toxic chemicals as they are for humans and the reason vets tell us they "need" their shots every 1-3 years is money, just like with human vaccines. Vaccine reactions happen all the time in animals, but are sometimes more subtle. This is called Vacinosis and is responsible for many pet deaths each year. I'm curious why people don't have the same concern about animal vaccines?? What makes people think they are any safer or more effcetive than the ones for humans??
Dr. Richard Pitcairn is a vet who focuses on hoilistic vet care and knows alot about vaccines in animals http://www.drpitcairn.com/talks/look..._vaccines.html

As for the law...the only vaccine required by law in any state is the rabies vaccine. If a vet tells you different he/she is lying. here are the state rabies laws: http://vaccines.dogsadversereactions...RabiesLaws.pdf

As for cats if they are indoor cats there is no reason to get them ANY vaccines (I have 3 cats who have not been vaxed since they were kittens).

The problem is most vets (unless they are hopistically oriented) require pets to have certain vaccines if they stay in their hospital for any legth of time. So if your pet needs a procedure and will need to be in their recovery room at all then you will be told they need to have bortadella and parvo (for dogs) not sure for cats. But for routine pet check ups or sick visits where they are not kept and you leave and take them home with you, you can decline all vaccines.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by just_lily View Post
Also, unless someone can correct me on this, it is a lot easier to understand long term effects in pets. Because "long term" for them is only like 15 years. .

Don't you wonder why that is?? Cancer and other degenerative illnesses like arthritis, kidney problems, cushings disease and more are very commen in animals. I'd bet a billion dollars over vaccinating contributes to that. Also just like in humans...vaccine reactions (escpecially long term ones) are not studied by the powers that be.
post #11 of 24
Pet vaccines are good for much longer time than a year!
Yearly vaccination requirement is a way to guarantee income for the vets. Pet vax industry is the same industry as human vax and I believe that most pet vax are made by companies who make human vax.

Studies have shown that if dog got their puppy set of shopts and two Rabies vax they will be immune for different diseases anywhere from 3 years to life. Given that inintial vaccination worked and the dog has immunities, booster vax will not boost immunity because it will be taken care of by antibodies the dog has from initial vax. It also have been shown that yearly boosting shots make pets sensetive to vax components.
Veterinarian schools are working on new vaccination protocol which will reqire 3year shot schedule instead of yearly. Some vets already started giving Rabies vax on 3 year schedule.

As with humans, pets do suffer from vax reactions. Actualy I personally know more dogs with vaccine reactions then humans! My friend's 7 year old cocker spaniel was diagnosed with Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia which directly linked with over vaccinations. My clients puppy got paralyzed for couple days after getting Rabies vax and I know of the pug who died two hours after getting his booster shots. I stopped vaccinating my pets yearly, long before I had my DD who is not vaxed. I do Rabies every three years and Bordetela before boarding, the rest they had as puppies and I do not repeat them for adults.
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm you can start researching here.
post #12 of 24
Pet vaccines are good for much longer time than a year!
Yearly vaccination requirement is a way to guarantee income for the vets. Pet vax industry is the same industry as human vax and I believe that most pet vax are made by companies who make human vax.

Studies have shown that if dog got their puppy set of shopts and two Rabies vax they will be immune for different diseases anywhere from 3 years to life. Given that inintial vaccination worked and the dog has immunities, booster vax will not boost immunity because it will be taken care of by antibodies the dog has from initial vax. It also have been shown that yearly boosting shots make pets sensetive to vax components.
Veterinarian schools are working on new vaccination protocol which will reqire 3year shot schedule instead of yearly. Some vets already started giving Rabies vax on 3 year schedule.

As with humans, pets do suffer from vax reactions. Actualy I personally know more dogs with vaccine reactions then humans! My friend's 7 year old cocker spaniel was diagnosed with Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia which directly linked with over vaccinations. My clients puppy got paralyzed for couple days after getting Rabies vax and I know of the pug who died two hours after getting his booster shots. I stopped vaccinating my pets yearly, long before I had my DD who is not vaxed. I do Rabies every three years and Bordetela before boarding, the rest they had as puppies and I do not repeat them for adults.
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm you can start researching here.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Meems View Post
Many many dogs develop cancerous tumors at the site of vaccine injections.
This is very common in cats too. My cat died of this at ten years of age. My vet told me they now inject in a limb so that if cancer comes up at least that limb can be amputated. They used to inject in the scruff of the neck, which is where my cat got huge tumors that grew out of control.
post #14 of 24
I have never and will never vaccinate myself, my children, or my dog and cats. My research into animal vaccines is what began my journey of learning many years before I had my children.
post #15 of 24
We had 2 sister kittens 3 years ago and we got them their first round of shots and they both died within 3 days....

I personally would not subject an animal to that risk again.
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thank you for the input, everyone! I was leaning toward thinking pet vaxes are just as bad, but I wanted to hear it from people on this forum since everyone is so informed about natural stuff in general. I will definitely not be vaxing my cat now.
post #17 of 24
I have one puppy who came to us with a set of vaxes. But my older dog, and my 4 cats are 100% vax free. My puppy will not get any more vaccinations. I am considering rabies for 2 of my cats however. But it is not a decision I am making lightly.
post #18 of 24
I am a registered veterinary techinician....I also agree that pets are overvaxed, and I'm lucky to work in a practice where the Dr.s also think so for the most part...In NC, state laws require that if a dog/cat has never had a rabies vax before, they get the vaccine, and it is good for one year. After that initial year, they can get a rabies vax every 3 years. It is the exact same vaccine...no seperate 1 and 3 year vaxes, so basically the first one would techically be good for 3 years as well, state law just requires otherwise. Rabies is a big problem here, and we have had several animals confirmed rabid, so this is one vaccine that I would say is a must if you live in an area like that. I have been vaccinated for rabies myself, since we work with a lot of stray animals on a daily basis. I don't do annual distemper parvo vaxes on my dogs, either,but they have had the initial puppy series...we see Parvo WAY too much. My cats don't get feline distemper combo vaxes, or feline leukemia vaxes, or FIV vaxes...They are indoors only and just aren't at risk. The vets I work for actually don't even carry the FIV vax because it's not even really that effective, and if a cat is vaxed for it, the test for FIV can't distinguish between the vax and the disease so you can imagine how many "stray" cats that people pick up are put to sleep because they think they are diseased when they are actually vaccinated. You can get your pets titers checked to see if they still have immunity instead of getting vaccines as recommened. The biggest reason why a lot of veterinarians (not all..they are greedy vets out there too) do yearly vaccines (or at least the reason why the vets at our practice do) is because they aren't approved to go longer and a lot of vets just don't want to get sued...The drug companies have labeled them for 1 year vaxes(why not? They get more $$ this way) ...We do tell people that the immunity can last much longer, but it's extra-label use, and hasn't bee approved by the drug companies, and as long as our clients are ok with that, then we'll count it as a 3 year, etc. but we make sure to document it very well. Pfizer has actually come out with a canine distemper vax that has been approved for 4 years...We've started carrying that one instead of the 1 year vaxes. Cats can get vax induced sarcomas called fibrosarcomas. They are a nasty thing, although relatively rare. This is one reason why my cats don't get vaccinated except for rabies. If they went outdoors, I would get them the leukemia vax and then check their titers. There is a new feline leukemia vax that is transdermal that reduces the risk of the fibrosarcs. If you have an indoor/outdoor cat that comes into contact with other cats, I would recommend that one, especially in a kitten....Once they are an older adult, it is usually not very common for them to contract the disease, even without vaxing. It's most common in kittens and geriatric cats. There's so many different standards at each veterinary clinic just based on each vet, and state requirements change state by state. As a whole, here's my take on the animal vaccines:
Dogs-
DHLPP- We see SOO many puppies die of parvo...it's so sad.I'd do puppy series and have titers checked thereafter.
Bord-only if your dog boards or is groomed....They require this most times for that...otherwise k9 cough isn's usually a big deal...very treatable.
Lyme/Corona- we don't even carry these vaxes. I wouldn't do them period. Even if we have a dog come up lyme positive, we dont' do anything about it unless they are clinical.
Rabies-Follow your states laws, but this is one I would keep current for many reasons,especially if you have children and live in an area where rabies is a concern. But, the vax lasts at least 3 years, so a titer check on this wouldn't be a bad idea either instead of just vaxing. We recently had a local vet that brought in a stray puppy and it ended up being rabid and the whole clinic and several other people had to go through the post exposure series...Rabies is a very scary thing!! Also, if your dog/cat bites someone/someone's pet, they can have your pet destroyed and tested for rabies if your pet is not up to date on this vaccine.
Cats-
FVRCP- I would do a kitten series then every 3 years or check titers if going outdoors,otherwise skip it all together.
FeLV- kitten series (transdermal) IF your kitten/cat IS or WILL be going outdoors, otherwise skip it all together.
FIV- we don't do this vax...the benefits aren't worth the risk.
Rabies- same applies to the dog rabies...BUT, they do have a special feline rabies vax that is safer for cats( in terms of fibrosarcomas)...I would ask if your vet carries it.
As I said, my cats are indoors only, but I do still make sure they have immunity against rabies...I have had one of them slip out the door before.

As for vaccine reactions....They do happen in cats and dogs...Most of the time they'll have vomiting/diarrhea, lethargy. Sometimes their face will swell up and the clients will bring them back in and we'll give them a benadryl injection and all is well. But Anaphylactic reactions do happen....in 5 years I've never seen one, although the vet that owns our practice has seen just a few in 36 years of practice....But if you ask a different vet,he may tell you he's seen several. One of the other RVT's in our practice doesn't get her vat vaxed for anything because he had a bad reaction, and she keeps him indoors only and has an exemption letter...it varies like with people...I vax my dogs/cats for only the things they are at risk for and nothing else and I would only get the initial series and then check titers, personally because they may never need another vaccine.. A lot of people that come into our practice don't like to check titers and would rather get the vaccine because getting the vax is a lot cheaper than checking the titers...Checking titers are much better in my opinion, because cats and dogs ARE overvaccinated. The vaccines are lasting much longer than the drug companies have labeled them for, and most vets rely on the info from the drug companies. A new drug comes out, the rep comes and tells you how great it is, and the info they give the drs. are what the drs tell you about it. The drs. don't do their own research on anything, they basically trust what the drug reps are telling them. This is what is wrong with the whole medical field. The drug companies basically rule everything.
I am having a really hard time deciding on a couple of vax for my dd right now...I have declined all at this point while I am researcing...my ped is nice about it, and has said she doesn't want to pressure me, but has urged me to do a couple of them, which i declined. I told her I worked at a vets office, and my own pets have some vaccines...and here i stand fighting her on my daughters...It's just different...I love my pets...they are my family, but I love my daughter MORE...and if she were to die or have a lasting problem from a vax, I would never forgive myself...I definately understand peoples hesitation on pet vaccines...from my experience there is more "taboo" about human vaxes, but pet vaccines can be dangerous as well. Only do what you really need to.
post #19 of 24
This was very helpful information -- thanks for sharing it.
post #20 of 24
There are some threads in the archives as well:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...play.php?f=149
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