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post #1 of 32
10/31/08 at 11:55am
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Is there a way to "detox" the vaccines out of the body? If not, is there a time that they "run out"? For example, if vaccines triggered diabetes in a child, will the effects last forever?

I realize this is a loaded question that nobody may know but any information would be helpful. My oldest son was fully vaccinated until he turned 1, which I regret. I started wondering if I could kind of "undo" the damage. Does that make sense?
post #2 of 32
10/31/08 at 1:10pm
This is not a scientific answer, but from what I have learned:

- some of the toxins can be expelled, perhaps through homeopathic means
- all vaccines wear off as far as "immunity" is concerned, but any side effects remain unless other measures are taken
- some damage, once it's done, is irreversible
- some damage IS reversible

That's vague, but that's all I can tell you.

ETA: I should mention that there are some reactions that occur and are passing (though that isn't really what you were asking).
post #3 of 32
10/31/08 at 2:25pm
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It is vague but nevertheless helpful, thanks!
post #4 of 32
10/31/08 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by Dera View Post
Is there a way to "detox" the vaccines out of the body? If not, is there a time that they "run out"? For example, if vaccines triggered diabetes in a child, will the effects last forever?

I realize this is a loaded question that nobody may know but any information would be helpful. My oldest son was fully vaccinated until he turned 1, which I regret. I started wondering if I could kind of "undo" the damage. Does that make sense?
What disorder are you dealing with...does your child have diabetes?
post #5 of 32
10/31/08 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by emma1325 View Post
What disorder are you dealing with...does your child have diabetes?
:

I haven't heard of a way to "get a vax out" all of the ill effects that I got from vaxes were the disease. : So once that was over, I was immune, and the negative effects were gone.
post #6 of 32
10/31/08 at 3:12pm
I'm not sure what you're asking, but once you have (Type 1) diabetes, there is no getting rid of it.

As for stopping to prevent damage ... I'm not sure that question can be fully answered. My DD was dx'd with T1 diabetes several years after her last vaxes were given (and we had decided to do no more); though she had the full series of those that are connected w/T1. (Hep B & Hib)
post #7 of 32
10/31/08 at 5:40pm
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No, he doesn't have any chronic illness like that but he's sick all the time in the colder months. Last winter he was sick a ridiculous amount, like 6 colds. This year so far he's already had 2, and it just got colder a month ago. He's only about to turn 2 the poor thing. I posted another thread about boosting his immune system and didn't get any responses but I did some more reading around here and started SA and I plan on trying cod liver oil and maybe vit A. Any suggestions there? I make an effort to keep our diet healthy but with 2 kids under 2 and a really tight budget and ppd, it's really tough. I know how crucial it is though so I'm always trying to find ways to eat more whole foods and limit or eliminate sugar and junk.

Anyway, I just want my boy to fight some viruses off instead of getting ill from every one. I think vaccines played a part in his weakened immune system, hence my question. Diabetes was just an example.
post #8 of 32
10/31/08 at 6:33pm
if you have ppd, you're reasonably likely to have a bad copper/zinc balance, low on the zinc, which is also important for immune function. i've seen studies on the copper/zinc and ppd link, i don't have anything bookmarked. and if you're low on zinc, so are your kids.
post #9 of 32
10/31/08 at 6:44pm
I really like the TF diet, our family used to get the cold or flu a few times a year, and when we're eating TF we don't get sick. I totally feel you on the tight budget, it is hard. Some things are cheap though, cabbage is pretty cheap and can be made into sauerkraut. Chicken is usually cheaper to buy on the bone and the bones can then be used for bone broth. CLO and butter oil is one thing I feel like it's worth to spend money on to get the quality stuff if you can. I get sick when we relapse into eating refined grains and sugars, it's hard not to when you're broke, just keep working on it.

(fwiw, hailey barry claims she cured herself of type 1 diabetes, of course most people don't believe her or think she was misdiagnosed)
post #10 of 32
10/31/08 at 6:46pm
I hear ya with the constant colds. Last winter DS and I did not go more than 2 weeks without a cold. It was absolutely awful. That was from about Oct-April.

Low Vitamin D levels can also have an impact. I am trying Vit D3 supplements for both of us this year to see if it will help (and we are on the tail end of the first nasty cold of the season, but haven't been taking the VitD long enough yet). And yeah, CLO.

FWIW, DS has had most vaccinations (against my will) and I'll never know if that impacted his immune system so he catches all these colds, if it's the low Vit D, or if he would have gotten constantly sick like this even if he wasn't vaxed.
post #11 of 32
10/31/08 at 6:54pm
The heavy metals can be removed with Kelation therapy with the help of a homeopathic doctor. This will help with any issues with heavy metals in the intestines and the brain.
post #12 of 32
10/31/08 at 7:37pm
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Okay well a few questions. What is the TF diet? And I can take Zinc but how would I get copper into my diet? And my older son weaned unfortunately when my milk came in for the new babe so how could I give it to him? I tried a gummy multi with him but he has never had any candy and he didn't like it at all! Any particular fruits maybe that you could suggest that would help with that or vitamin D? Thanks so much, this is so helpful.
post #13 of 32
10/31/08 at 7:51pm
TF stands for traditional foods, http://www.westonaprice.org/ for me that means grass fed meat, fermented foods (real sauerkraut, pickles, chutney etc, the way they used to be made) Limited grains and what I do eat should be soaked and whole, same with nuts. Raw milk (although I don't think that should be for everybody, some do better without any milk products at all, but if you're going to consume them I do think they should be raw or and even better, fermented as in yogurt or kefir) Good bone broths as mentioned before. Organ meats like liver. I think different things about the diet help different people. A good book to help get started is Nourishing Traditions, but take it for what it's worth, some of the recipes are way too complicated or call for expensive ingredients, I did however, learn a lot from it and think it's worth getting.
post #14 of 32
10/31/08 at 7:55pm
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Some foods are especially rich in copper. These include most nuts (especially brazils and cashews), seeds (especially poppy and sunflower), chickpeas, liver and oysters
http://www.copper.org/consumers/heal...health_uk.html
I think many of those are high in zinc too.
post #15 of 32
10/31/08 at 7:59pm
(sorry for typos, cut my thumb an hr ago, feel like an idiot...)

zinc and copper compete for absorption, and zinc is easily lost when food is processed. many people are low in zinc and high in copper.

you can look up food lists for good sources of zinc, but it's hard to get a lot if you don't eat oysters (which i was not willing to do, bad me). red meats are reasonable sources, but given that we are trying to make up long-term deficits, we supplement.

our health (moms, i mean) is inextricably tied to our kids, and our kids tied to us. i've found that looking at my problems helps in understanding my kids, and vice versa.

a really good thread on nutrition and immune function is here:
http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...d.php?t=406983

there's a traditional foods sub-forum under nutrition.
post #16 of 32
10/31/08 at 8:05pm
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Wow, this has been tremendous. Thank you so much!
post #17 of 32
10/31/08 at 8:14pm
this is funny, i thought i'd written something for a similar situation and i looked for my old post and found this!

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...n#post12472777

i've lost track of threads i've started too.
post #18 of 32
10/31/08 at 11:29pm
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Oh my god, duh. I thought I had subscribed to it and after no emails I just thought it got lost in thread land. Those are great replies, too!

I'm so happy I found this place! Thanks!
post #19 of 32
11/1/08 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by Dera View Post
Is there a way to "detox" the vaccines out of the body? If not, is there a time that they "run out"? For example, if vaccines triggered diabetes in a child, will the effects last forever?

... I started wondering if I could kind of "undo" the damage. Does that make sense?
Makes perfect sense. And we all would like to undo some of the damages vaccines or other allopathic meds may have caused.
The only thing I know of that does help the body recouperate and build stronger immunity is fevers. Let the fevers run their course when they come. Don't interfere.


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Originally Posted by Dera View Post
...and started SA and I plan on trying cod liver oil and maybe vit A. Any suggestions there?
Everything I have read says not to use SA as a permanent supplemental vitamin since it is incomplete and may create an imbalance. Use a good food grade vita C instead. But if the child has a cold or any other infection, SA is the best.

For Vita D, there is nothing like sunshine. In any weather, every single day, get the child outside for at least one hour or two. And of course, CLO on top of it.
post #20 of 32
11/1/08 at 12:23am
you may find this thread helpful

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=495656
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