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post #41 of 250
patience and love- it is interesting that you say "the power of covering" that is what it really is for me. My head scarf or covering is like a power object, ok lets see if i can hash these ideas out while the baby is napping without me. When i cover it is like putting on my armour or a sheild to negative pschic energy (baby up so excuse typing) i suffer a lot from anxiety and stress, i hate dealing with people i dont know, so for me putting on a covering is puting an extra layer between them and me. I feel at peace when i wear it, kind of grounded and more at a nutural energy point rather then being in a constant state or fight or flee. Throughout time head coverings have been a sign of power and prestige rather than that of modesty, think of royalty and their crowns or the pope and his err pope hat? sorry dont know the name. For me another facet is setting myself apart, saying this is me, i am one with power, and i deserve respect. Which is really true for all of us, but as it carries through in my bearing others tend to follow the lead. Since covering i have been getting a lot more respect, men open doors for me, ladies have helped me with my shopping and so on.

Sorry this is so disjointed i really havent thought about this before so i am trying to work it out in my own head as i type. I am wondering how much of this has to do with my becoming a mother? making the move from maiden to mother. In a lot of cultures women begin to cover or wear a different style of covering when they become maried. for me mariage really didnt herald any change in my energy, however becoming a mother has hugely affected me, this is a whole new state of being one i cant ignore. So i put my "mum hat" on so to speak, to show that is what i am currently doing. I also notice that in a lot of imagry mary is shown covered, as i grew up catholic i think this might be playing a role, she is the holy mother, and she covers, so now i am a mother i seak to imitate?

I am one who still struggles with my old faith, although honestly i didnt really feel catholic when i was, i just didnt want to upset my mum. The one peice of catholicism that i do miss is mary, and the rituals surrounding her. I never really "dug" jesus. I love rosaries, i have lots and lots, the only thing i dont like is the cross, that imagry doesnt resonate with me. Where i live covering is really only asociated with islam, we have a very very small jewish comunity and a very very small covering christian community, so there is not really that link for me bck to my old faith.

i too wonder why more pagans dont cover? or more to the point would be so against it? i was looking some picture books i have of fairy tales, and most of the witches have head coverings, genrally a shall thrown over their heads. I wonder at which point this became lost? i even think of other images when i think of say a fortune teller and again i think of a woman with a head covering, am i the only one?

i still have a lot more to type :LOL: but this is getting long. This seems like something i need to work out in my head at some point.
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post #43 of 250
I cant believe I am just seeing this now.
I am a pagan who feels inspired to cover as well, and often wear a bandana. I thought I was all alone. :
post #44 of 250
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Darn you showing off your skills!
post #45 of 250
OOOPS Batty, the lol was for the non post reminding the poster to post tomorrow, that came ahead of YOUR post Your post must've been on the next page, which I didn't realize existed hehehe. I shall go read it now and hopefully have something much more intelligent to contribute than a
post #46 of 250
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Throughout time head coverings have been a sign of power and prestige rather than that of modesty, think of royalty and their crowns or the pope and his err pope hat? sorry dont know the name.
According to Wiki,
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In liturgical ceremonies Popes wear an episcopal mitre (an erect cloth hat).
Woot there's my intelligent commentary lol (ok.. so it was just good luck with google skillz hehe
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i too wonder why more pagans dont cover? or more to the point would be so against it? i was looking some picture books i have of fairy tales, and most of the witches have head coverings, genrally a shall thrown over their heads. I wonder at which point this became lost? i even think of other images when i think of say a fortune teller and again i think of a woman with a head covering, am i the only one?
I totally get what you're saying about it being part of your 'shield'. And I just did a google search and every pic I found of a female fortune teller had a head scarf on
post #47 of 250
Yep, I too never considered covering till after becoming a mom.
post #48 of 250
Thread Starter 
But I totally love the Pope Hat! SO much more fun to say than Mitre.

Rosaries- I love them too and say them often, but I remove the cross and replace it with either a pendant or a ring (so I can "wear" the ring while telling the beads and then take the ring with me when I need to borrow the energy/peace/intent I have stored in that rosary strand)

Ack...late for preschool! more later!

(and welcome everyone who just found us!)
post #49 of 250
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Sorry this is so disjointed i really havent thought about this before so i am trying to work it out in my own head as i type. I am wondering how much of this has to do with my becoming a mother? making the move from maiden to mother. In a lot of cultures women begin to cover or wear a different style of covering when they become maried. for me mariage really didnt herald any change in my energy, however becoming a mother has hugely affected me, this is a whole new state of being one i cant ignore. So i put my "mum hat" on so to speak, to show that is what i am currently doing. I also notice that in a lot of imagry mary is shown covered, as i grew up catholic i think this might be playing a role, she is the holy mother, and she covers, so now i am a mother i seek to imitate?
Makes perfect sense to me. It wasn't until I became a mother that I became more Orthodox in my Catholicism, so I totally understand the power of becoming a mother.
And yes, Our Lady is a wonderful example to imitate now that you are a Mama, too!

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I am one who still struggles with my old faith, although honestly i didnt really feel catholic when i was, i just didnt want to upset my mum. The one peice of catholicism that i do miss is mary, and the rituals surrounding her. I never really "dug" jesus. I love rosaries, i have lots and lots, the only thing i dont like is the cross, that imagry doesnt resonate with me. Where i live covering is really only asociated with islam, we have a very very small jewish comunity and a very very small covering christian community, so there is not really that link for me bck to my old faith.
Understandable. However, as other ladies have pointed out, you don't have to be one of the Abrahamic religions to cover. Like you said, it's a psychic shield. Don't let the small number of covering ladies in your community influence your desire to cover.

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i too wonder why more pagans dont cover? or more to the point would be so against it? i was looking some picture books i have of fairy tales, and most of the witches have head coverings, genrally a shall thrown over their heads. I wonder at which point this became lost? i even think of other images when i think of say a fortune teller and again i think of a woman with a head covering, am i the only one?
Now that I think about it, you're right! Interesting...
post #50 of 250
Wow clay that is a great idea with a ring! you are so full of awesome info and ideas.

I know pope hat sounds awesome, i was cracking up, i just couldnt think what it was called, but it goes well with the pope mobile i guess. Pope hat sounds so jolly.

Off to find a ring and rosary.
post #51 of 250
I'm a formerly Wicca, raised fundamentalist Protestant, currently pantheist/recon/UU.

I rejected the idea of covering when I was young "look at those timid, brow beaten Muslims/mennonites etc. who believe they have to cover their feminiity like it's shameful"

But I've come full circle I think.Maybe it's having children, but I no longer see my feminine power as just my ability to illicit desire. It's the Muslim concept of concealing your treasure, that has me fascinated. And the fact that head covering(and modest dress) are an open rejection of commercial culture. I don't currently cover, but have been leaning towards it, to remind MYSELF that I judge my behavior by a different set of standards than popular culture.

I think a lot of the pagan resistance to the idea is knee jerk feminism. It was *imposed* on my foremothers,like babies and knitting, so as a "free" woman, why would I consider it. Never mind that I CHOSE to stay home with my babes and am desperately trying to regain skills like knitting and baking bread that my foremothers had.

And it sets you apart, and forces you to have an explanation. You can hide your pentacle under your shirt at work, but a head scarf is one more thing to make you "weird"
post #52 of 250
Wow, I'm floored by the number of people who found this thread!

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Cari- this thread has actually helped me put a lot of this thought into...well.... into thought! I started covering because I was unhappy with my hair, didn't have a chance to get it cut, and needed it out of my face. And then I realized that I "felt different" and specifically felt better when my head was covered. So I started experimenting and meditating and trying to dream into the situation and it sort of grew from there. And describing things here and listening to other mama's reasoning has kind of pushed things around in my head and helped me figure out where I think, maybe, I'm going with this.
I find it neat to hear all the reasons head covering really resounds with so many of us.

I was thinking about why more pagans don't cover. I think there is also the "don't be an offensive taker" mentality as well. You know, don't try to be Jewish/Muslim/Amish because you aren't. You will offend someone trying to look like them. At least I thought about this a little before the thread appeared.


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I cant believe I am just seeing this now.
I am a pagan who feels inspired to cover as well, and often wear a bandana. I thought I was all alone. :
I think we all did.

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Sorry this is so disjointed i really haven't thought about this before so i am trying to work it out in my own head as i type. I am wondering how much of this has to do with my becoming a mother? making the move from maiden to mother. In a lot of cultures women begin to cover or wear a different style of covering when they become married. for me marriage really didn't herald any change in my energy, however becoming a mother has hugely affected me, this is a whole new state of being one i cant ignore. So i put my "mum hat" on so to speak, to show that is what i am currently doing. I also notice that in a lot of imagery Mary is shown covered, as i grew up catholic i think this might be playing a role, she is the holy mother, and she covers, so now i am a mother i seek to imitate?

i too wonder why more pagans don't cover? or more to the point would be so against it? i was looking some picture books i have of fairy tales, and most of the witches have head coverings, generally a shall thrown over their heads. I wonder at which point this became lost? i even think of other images when i think of say a fortune teller and again i think of a woman with a head covering, am i the only one?

i still have a lot more to type :LOL: but this is getting long. This seems like something i need to work out in my head at some point.
I totally agree with you that it didn't come out til I moved from maiden to mother... it's a transition I found harder than I expected. I had been in quasi-mother mode for years before getting knocked up, and didn't expect to regret the passing of my maidenhood the way I did.

Now that I am more fully comfortable with myself as a mother, I am wanted to continue the journey... and covering seems to be a part of that for me.

I never really thought about the fact that most witches/fortune tellers are shown covered... you are right though. That's neat.
post #53 of 250
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But I totally love the Pope Hat! SO much more fun to say than Mitre.
Agreed.. Mitre is just so boring hehee. But the geek in me HAD to know

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I know pope hat sounds awesome, i was cracking up, i just couldnt think what it was called, but it goes well with the pope mobile i guess. Pope hat sounds so jolly.


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I think a lot of the pagan resistance to the idea is knee jerk feminism. It was *imposed* on my foremothers,like babies and knitting, so as a "free" woman, why would I consider it. Never mind that I CHOSE to stay home with my babes and am desperately trying to regain skills like knitting and baking bread that my foremothers had.
It's kind of amazing that some feminists balk at women in history knitting & spinning etc. I don't see it as wholey imposed upon the women, other than by necessity. Babies need to be warm, so blankets must be knit. Can't walk around nekkid & be cold, fabric must be woven. I don't see it as sexist at all that the women did these things and left the men to go off & kill stuff and pick fights... I consider it smart I think realizing that these things were sources of power that our foremothers had makes it very empowering to follow in their footsteps, even a little.
post #54 of 250
Thread Starter 
And of course there are cultures in which things like fiber arts are exclusively "gender male". My mind of course just went blank, but I'm pretty sure it's the Hopi who felt that weaving was a manly art for manly men. (may not be the Hopi, but it must have been a nearby group if not them since it's "filed" in the part of my mind that "is" a class I took on first people of that region )

Batty- really good point about the "image" of the fairy tale witch, or the image of the fortune telling woman. Shawls are sort of the "every woman" garment...many cultures, many eras. Truly a universal garment.
post #55 of 250
Once again, I'm gonna be the backwards one-- I thought a lot more about covering before I became a mamma. I remember feeling somewhat excluded from it, and still drawn to it. It was... interesting.

Hm. I need to get my hands on some scarves, I think.

While I really grok the "hiding your treasure" deal, I'm in a very different space that way (what with stealing my maidenhood in fits and starts ).
post #56 of 250
i know that in anthroposophy -- the "spiritual science" behind waldorf education -- it's considered important for babies and toddlers to keep their heads covered through all seasons, and it has something to do with how the child's soul incarnates into it's body and helping to keep it there fully.....

also many people on the autism spectrum or others with sensory difficulties find if very grounding and comforting to wear hats all the time

i think many traditional european cultures really knew that covering the head protected them from illness......


the idea that covering myself can act as a barrier to negative spiritual energies and help me focus on my path is very appealing to me
post #57 of 250
Anyone receive any flack from LO's about covering?
post #58 of 250
I havent gotten much flack from family, my aunty did say i was looking "very turkish" because i had a turkish fabric as a covering. But she didnt say it in a negative way, just as an observation. I think my family is used to me being weird, they pretty much dont even see it anymore.

Iteresting to learn that about anthroposophy, my baby hates having her head touched or covered, hates it! at a few hours old when my midwife put a hat on her she screached and pulled it off, nothing stays on her head. Its the same with socks, and she has started trying to do it with any type of clothing, she just likes being nekkid i guess. Her pet name is nuddie gnome
post #59 of 250
No, DS thinks it's funny. (He laughs watching me tie things...I stick my tongue out.)
post #60 of 250
nak

What about bald people? I'm serious... Is it the hair or the top of the head that counts? That throws in the whole topic of keeping locks of hair, and superstitions/rituals surrounding a baby's first haircut... DH shaves his head, and DS sometimes has his shaved because it's just so coarse and patchy.
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