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post #121 of 138
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Originally Posted by seawind View Post
Speaking only for cultures where this is a long standing practice: "Cuteness" is a non-factor in ear-piercing.

We do a great disservice to the generations of women who have practised ear-piercing by using terms like personal gratification, pleasure and gendering, vanity. If this were to be such a life-altering act for the person concerned , if it were to result in the kind of intrusion and trauma (words used repeatedly in responses), you can be sure the women and men would have raised great objection to it in subsequent generations and tried to stop it. Like so many other practices that have been questioned and stopped. Really, nobody except outsiders to the culture keep getting so offended by it. Nevermind how offending their words are to a people known for being extremely child friendly. They really don't need someone, who has NO understanding of the significance it holds, to do a superficial analysis and come up with various terms which don't bear any resemblance to what the physical and cultural experience beyond the description/definition of ear-piercing. Proof is ultimately to be found in the fact that these children (with holes in their ear-lobe cartilage) are some of the happiest in the world. Who are we to patronize them by telling them that their rights were violated.
While I understand that infant ear piercing can be a cultural thing, and holds more significance for some, that doesn't make it right. But I suppose I could change the wording in my question and you can substitute cuteness for cultural as the reason.
I mean ric is cultural too, right?
post #122 of 138
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Originally Posted by finn'smama View Post
A question for those who are fine with infant ear piercing; if I thought it would make my kids cuter to have their noses or bellybuttons pierced as infants, is that okay too?
If not, what's the difference?
I have often wondered that myself. Hmmm....wonder what the answer would be........
post #123 of 138
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Originally Posted by mytwogirls View Post
I have often wondered that myself. Hmmm....wonder what the answer would be........
"that's different".
post #124 of 138
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Originally Posted by Contrariety View Post
How many have the same thing to say about RIC? It's the exact same thing, I don't care who you are or where you are coming from.

Not my body, not my choice to permanently modify without a well founded medical reason.
Haven't read the whole thread, but...

It's not the EXACT same thing at all. RIC damages the way the penis was intended to function. It changes the way it works, it changes the immune properties, the sexual sensitivity, the intended action in intercourse.

Piercings do not change the way the ear works or how you hear things. Even an infection doesn't change the way the ear works, unless in some extreme circumstance you lose your ear from it.

Both, however, inflict a permanent cosmetic modification on a body part that does not belong to anyone but the owner of that body part.

That said, I am against both infant circumcision and infant piercing.
post #125 of 138
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Originally Posted by AislinCarys View Post
I have a question. In what way would any vaccines help? Are they expected to prevent infection? It seems a very odd to me.
DTaP--- T = tetanus

All my girls but the newborn have their ears pierced. The one DD who didn't have it done as a baby was miserable her ears were not pierced so we had them done when she was not quite 4.
post #126 of 138
What does tetanus have to do with ear piercing? How could you possible get tetanus from piercing your ears?

I’m not being snarky. Just wondering why you think that.
post #127 of 138
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Originally Posted by CanidFL View Post
What does tetanus have to do with ear piercing? How could you possible get tetanus from piercing your ears?

I’m not being snarky. Just wondering why you think that.
Maybe because piercing guns are being rolled around in horse manure?
post #128 of 138
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Originally Posted by seawind View Post
Speaking only for cultures where this is a long standing practice: "Cuteness" is a non-factor in ear-piercing.

We do a great disservice to the generations of women who have practised ear-piercing by using terms like personal gratification, pleasure and gendering, vanity. If this were to be such a life-altering act for the person concerned , if it were to result in the kind of intrusion and trauma (words used repeatedly in responses), you can be sure the women and men would have raised great objection to it in subsequent generations and tried to stop it. Like so many other practices that have been questioned and stopped. Really, nobody except outsiders to the culture keep getting so offended by it. Nevermind how offending their words are to a people known for being extremely child friendly. They really don't need someone, who has NO understanding of the significance it holds, to do a superficial analysis and come up with various terms which don't bear any resemblance to what the physical and cultural experience beyond the description/definition of ear-piercing. Proof is ultimately to be found in the fact that these children (with holes in their ear-lobe cartilage) are some of the happiest in the world. Who are we to patronize them by telling them that their rights were violated.
Please know that I am not being snarky, but WHO exactly are you talking about here? What culture with some of the happiest children in the world? And what exactly is the significance of ear piercing within that culture?
post #129 of 138
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Originally Posted by GirlBoyGirlBoy View Post
Please know that I am not being snarky, but WHO exactly are you talking about here? What culture with some of the happiest children in the world? And what exactly is the significance of ear piercing within that culture?

I'm glad someone finally asked this because I have been wondering this myself...

I would have to say the large majority of Americans do it for no other purpose than cosmetic reasons so the entire cultural argument is moot here...
post #130 of 138
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Originally Posted by seawind View Post
...if it were to result in the kind of intrusion and trauma (words used repeatedly in responses), you can be sure the women and men would have raised great objection to it in subsequent generations and tried to stop it.
How can we be sure? Male circumcision in the US is defended and promoted by men who had their foreskins removed as infants. (DH was circumcised and he can't understand why I have an issue with it.) It's my understanding that in many (most? all?) places where FGM is practiced, it's women who perform the procedure. That doesn't mean either of these things are non-traumatic - and they're definitely intrusive. I'm not saying circumcision and ear-piercing are the same, but I don't agree with your above statement at all? Why should I (or anyone) be "sure" that if a practice is traumatic to infants, the grown-ups will object to it, as the evidence doesn't back that up?

I don't get the ear-piercing thing, and I doubt I ever will. I've been trying to figure it out since I was a little girl, and saw my first pierced baby.
post #131 of 138
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
How can we be sure? Male circumcision in the US is defended and promoted by men who had their foreskins removed as infants. (DH was circumcised and he can't understand why I have an issue with it. It's my understanding that in many (most? all?) places where FGM is practiced, it's women who perform the procedure. That doesn't mean either of these things are non-traumatic - and they're definitely intrusive. I'm not saying circumcision and ear-piercing are the same, but I don't agree with your above statement at all? Why should I (or anyone) be "sure" that if a practice is traumatic to infants, the grown-ups will object to it, as the evidence doesn't back that up?

I don't get the ear-piercing thing, and I doubt I ever will. I've been trying to figure it out since I was a little girl, and saw my first pierced baby.
ITA. Great post.
post #132 of 138
i think, from experience, ear peircing is most often done without thinking.... odd, I know.. but still....

I pierced my dd's ears... my cousins dd had hers done as a baby and I did my dd too.

I did not vaccinate her or my ds and he was not circumcised..

Why did i do it? I thought it would be cute, and i thought it would be better than dealing with them on an older child who might fiddle with dirty fingers, etc.

Would I do it now? I dont think I would. My perspective of it not being my body has changed.

Would my dd have them done now? Im not sure.... maybe not bc it would hurt.. (she is 5).

Does she love having her ears peirced? Yes... absolutely and she also loves the benefit of holes that do not close up, so she wears earrings only when she wants to..


Oh and I asked I just asked her and she said she is glad she already has them done because it would hurt, her friend at school told her it hurt a lot when she had them done.


I dont know if I would do it again plainly because its not my body... but if i could know ahead of time that she would want them... I would ..LOL
post #133 of 138
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Originally Posted by angela&avery View Post
i think, from experience, ear peircing is most often done without thinking.... odd, I know.. but still....

I pierced my dd's ears... my cousins dd had hers done as a baby and I did my dd too.

I did not vaccinate her or my ds and he was not circumcised..

Why did i do it? I thought it would be cute, and i thought it would be better than dealing with them on an older child who might fiddle with dirty fingers, etc.

Would I do it now? I dont think I would. My perspective of it not being my body has changed.
Good for you for thinking differently than you did before(and admitting it) and for not feeling like to you had to defend/stand by your origional decision
post #134 of 138
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Originally Posted by mytwogirls View Post
I have often wondered that myself. Hmmm....wonder what the answer would be........
I guess we'll never know...
post #135 of 138
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Originally Posted by finn'smama View Post
I guess we'll never know...
Maybe I don't even WANT to know....
post #136 of 138
I have one more reason not to that hasn't been mentioned yet, I think.
I believe that earrings on my LO would interfere with kisses and snuggles and bedsharing and nursing. Maybe they woudn't, since I see so many infants with earrings (which always makes me sad, BTW) but it just seems to me that they would get caught and tangled on things and cause pain to the babe.

I do like jewelery on babies, my DD has a wee gold bracelet from an uncle and a gold necklace from her Nonna that she seems to enjoy a lot. But earrings on those too young to have asked for them themselves make me shudder. It's not cute at all to me.

I have multiple piercings in my ears and I love that I have pierced ears, but each piercing was my own choice (and several I even did myself : It's what all of us non-conformists were doing in high-school back in the 80s. ) I would want my daughter to choose for herself when and if she wants her ears pierced, as I chose for myself.

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Originally Posted by Alyantavid View Post
I don't choose to alter my children's bodies without their consent. I don't even cut hair without them asking for it.
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Originally Posted by finn'smama View Post
A question for those who are fine with infant ear piercing; if I thought it would make my kids cuter to have their noses or bellybuttons pierced as infants, is that okay too?
If not, what's the difference?
Oooohh! How about an eyebrow piercing, now that's a good idea!

OK, although I am obviously of the opinion; "Her body, Her choice." about ear rings --and even hair cuts, I totally want to get a little anchor or pin-up girl, or just the classic "MOM" tattooed on to my DD's adorable little bicep. : I've had the urge to tattoo my child since she was about 3 months old.





I don't think I will though.........





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post #137 of 138
I wonder if the reason we have such a broad spectrum of opinions on this topic is due to the many different ways people experience piercing?

For example, I've pierced my ears numerous times and never felt any pain. Not even the proverbial "pinch." Of course, when I was a younger teen, I wore those cheapo nickel earrings and I definitely felt the infection. But, once I started wearing gold earrings, I found I can leave them in basically permanently without any infection or pain. It's like wearing my wedding ring; I don't even feel it.

That being said, I pierced DH's ears when we were teens and he actually teared up from the pain. He said it felt like a really sharp paper cut and burned for about a 1/2hr later. I don't think I can convince him to do that again. He already took out the piercing and the hole closed.

I've pierced 3yo who sat there perfectly still and smiled. And I've pierced 40yo who started sobbing and wouldn't let me finish the other ear. The perception of pain differs for people.

When I first saw this thread, I considered myself on the fence. My first impression was to pierce my baby's ears myself around 4-6 weeks. I think I will be waiting until she is older now that I have thought about it and read about it. Maybe the 6-8yr range would be good......
post #138 of 138
Hi all. I'm closing this thread to new posts. I think it's likely that the OP has gotten all the answers that she was looking for.

I've had to remove UAV's from this thread *after* my last reminder to stay within the UA.

If you have any questions, please pm me.
Thanks!

Becky
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