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post #81 of 138
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Originally Posted by Eliza_Douchehammer View Post
Ear piercing and RIC are not even in the same ballpark. To compare them is nothing but ignorant. No wonder people think those of us who are against RIC are crazy when some of us make statements like that.
Yeah it is similar. I don't choose to alter my children's bodies without their consent. I don't even cut hair without them asking for it.

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No, not even close. Ear piercing is putting a tiny hole in the earlobe that can close up in the future. Circumcision is removing a body part that protects the head of the penis and can interfere with sexual pleasure. That little hole in the earlobe isn't really going to hurt anything but the lack of a foreskin might. There is no comparison.
Well kind of. I'm sure there are tons of stories of women who's ears have holes permanently in them (like me) who've had multiple issues with infections and seriously wish they hadn't had their ears pierced.

It isn't about that tiny little hole that probably won't hurt anything. Its about putting your child through unnecessary pain for your benefit. Comparing ear piercing to circ is much closer than comparing it to deciding what to feed your child.
post #82 of 138
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Originally Posted by Alyantavid View Post
Comparing ear piercing to circ is much closer than comparing it to deciding what to feed your child.
How so?
post #83 of 138
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Originally Posted by Eliza_Douchehammer View Post
Ear piercing and RIC are not even in the same ballpark. To compare them is nothing but ignorant. No wonder people think those of us who are against RIC are crazy when some of us make statements like that.
They are in the same ball park. Both are done for cosmetic reasons, have absolutely NO health benefit and cause unnecessary pain to the child.

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post #84 of 138
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Originally Posted by seawind View Post
In the grand scheme of things, ear-piercing is the least important issue to make a fuss about. There is much, much worse being perpetrated on children in the world today. If you must find something to be hot and bothered about, spend that energy on the real issues.

Comparing circ and ear-piercing is like comparing apples to oranges.
This could go for anything. "Oh who care about the little boys in north america who are getting circ'd, there are baby GIRLS in Africag getting circ'd in unsterile environment.

Most of us feel strongly about not altering a body that is not ours to alter. I'm not going to keep my mouth shut when it comes to an issue that I feel strongly about. I will offer my opinion when asked. Just because YOU don't think it's a "least important issue to make a fuss about" doesn't mean we all should.
post #85 of 138
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Originally Posted by ZuZu's Mom View Post
We got my DD's ears pierced when she was 6 months old . . . at the mall. No problems with infection, inflammation, etc. Never had a problem with her trying to tug on them, take them out, etc.

This will be my only post regarding this topic. So if someone wants to debate me or flame me- I'm not interested.

Thanks!
That. Except my DD was 4 months old.

Not one single issue in the whole 8 months we've had them.

We got them done **shock of shocks** at the mall, a little 5 y/o girl got them done ahead of DD and she SOBBED for 15 minutes. Honest to god. DD? She cried for MAYBE 45 seconds. Honestly. 45 seconds, TOPS. She cried longer and harder a week prior to that when DS accidently dropped a hotwheels car on her head.

I'm not ashamed of getting them done, I love them....and I hope that DD will love them in the future. If not, she can take them out. *shrug*
post #86 of 138
Body altering without someone's free choice for vanity sake aside

It just never ceases to confuse me why a little tiny infant girl (or boy or whatever) isn't "cute" enough on their own without holes in their ears and earrings poked through them.

Honestly, what is the point????

I dunno, I have a real problem with "they only cried for ___" sentiments. What could be worth making a child cry for the sake of their cuteness or whatever when not a medical necessity or whatever? I am just not cool with inflicting pain for vanity's sake so we will have to agree to disagree I guess.
post #87 of 138
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
It just never ceases to confuse me why a little tiny infant girl (or boy or whatever) isn't "cute" enough on their own without holes in their ears and earrings poked through them.

Honestly, what is the point????

I dunno, I have a real problem with "they only cried for ___" sentiments. What could be worth making a child cry for the sake of their cuteness or whatever when not a medical necessity or whatever? I am just not cool with inflicting pain for vanity's sake so we will have to agree to disagree I guess.
Nothing else to add.
post #88 of 138
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
Body altering without someone's free choice for vanity sake aside

It just never ceases to confuse me why a little tiny infant girl (or boy or whatever) isn't "cute" enough on their own without holes in their ears and earrings poked through them.

Honestly, what is the point????
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And, just in MY opinion, earrings on infants look... well, we'll just say it's not a look I think is nice, for a child of mine.

I got mine pierced when I was young, around 5? 6? I can't remember exactly, just that I was old enough to ask for them. I had so many problems with infections and allergic reactions to the metals, and had to have them re-pierced three times because they grew up so quickly. And now, I wear earrings maybe once a year, if that. It was basically pointless.
post #89 of 138
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Originally Posted by babygrant View Post
This could go for anything. "Oh who care about the little boys in north america who are getting circ'd, there are baby GIRLS in Africag getting circ'd in unsterile environment.

Most of us feel strongly about not altering a body that is not ours to alter. I'm not going to keep my mouth shut when it comes to an issue that I feel strongly about. I will offer my opinion when asked. Just because YOU don't think it's a "least important issue to make a fuss about" doesn't mean we all should.
We talk about alteration and abuse whenever this topic comes up, but, the fact is, cultures where this is a norm also happen to be the most child-friendly cultures in the world, what we term as attachment parenting has always been practiced by them as a matter of course. Which is why these terms (abuse, etc) show our understanding of the practice to be superficial at best.

I am not talking about "anything". I am talking about the fuss being made about ear-piercing in relation to a whole lot worse that children around the world face every single day. If you can, in all honesty, claim ear-piercing to be the same as child trafficking (to pick just one issue), I have nothing more to say.
post #90 of 138
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Originally Posted by seawind View Post
We talk about alteration and abuse whenever this topic comes up, but, the fact is, cultures where this is a norm also happen to be the most child-friendly cultures in the world, what we term as attachment parenting has always been practiced by them as a matter of course. Which is why these terms (abuse, etc) show our understanding of the practice to be superficial at best.

I am not talking about "anything". I am talking about the fuss being made about ear-piercing in relation to a whole lot worse that children around the world face every single day. If you can, in all honesty, claim ear-piercing to be the same as child trafficking (to pick just one issue), I have nothing more to say.
I am absolutely NOT saying that ear-piercing is the same as child trafficking. I am saying that just because ear piercing isn't as horrible as others, I'm not going to keep my opinion to myself. That's all.
post #91 of 138
Everybody has an opinion on something. We can just decide what issues are worthy of offering them up.
post #92 of 138
Well for goodness sakes no one is saying that human trafficking and ear piercing are the same offenses... my word let's get a grip here.

However, if you want to examine the underlying reasons, justifications, and behaviors which lead up to both, they are similar on a psychological level.

This child is mine to do with what I want regardless of whether I cause them pain.

I am the parent/guardian, it is my decision to make choices with my child's body for my own reasons, even when not medically necessary, and not in the spirit of maintaining their physical or emotional health. (Please, I hope no one is going to tell me ear piercing an infant is emotionally and physically needed or healthy).

I am not concerned with what measure of pain they may feel because in my eyes, it is worth the means-to-an-end. I get the result I want, so I will put aside any feelings or thoughts they may have.

The psychology behind it is the same. There is absolutely no altruistic or non-selfish reason to pierce a child's ears. None. Even with circumcision (which I adamantly oppose) -- at least most people are simply uneducated or ignorant -- they believe it is healthier, more sanitary, cuts infection risk (which we know is not true but ykwim) etc --- very few people simply do it for vanity -- but in ear piercing of an infant or a child who hasn't asked, hasn't had a say in it, and is being caused pain for nothing more than the sake of a parents' vanity and imo, misplaced priorities -- there is absolutely no other reason for it.

I'm sorry, "little Janie looks SO CUTE!!" is not a valid or acceptable reason to hold someone still without their consent as you shoot HOLES through their flesh. Sorry, cute it up all you (collective) like, but that is what is going on.
post #93 of 138
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
Body altering without someone's free choice for vanity sake aside

It just never ceases to confuse me why a little tiny infant girl (or boy or whatever) isn't "cute" enough on their own without holes in their ears and earrings poked through them.

Honestly, what is the point????

I dunno, I have a real problem with "they only cried for ___" sentiments. What could be worth making a child cry for the sake of their cuteness or whatever when not a medical necessity or whatever? I am just not cool with inflicting pain for vanity's sake so we will have to agree to disagree I guess.
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
Well for goodness sakes no one is saying that human trafficking and ear piercing are the same offenses... my word let's get a grip here.

However, if you want to examine the underlying reasons, justifications, and behaviors which lead up to both, they are similar on a psychological level.

This child is mine to do with what I want regardless of whether I cause them pain.

I am the parent/guardian, it is my decision to make choices with my child's body for my own reasons, even when not medically necessary, and not in the spirit of maintaining their physical or emotional health. (Please, I hope no one is going to tell me ear piercing an infant is emotionally and physically needed or healthy).

I am not concerned with what measure of pain they may feel because in my eyes, it is worth the means-to-an-end. I get the result I want, so I will put aside any feelings or thoughts they may have.

The psychology behind it is the same. There is absolutely no altruistic or non-selfish reason to pierce a child's ears. None. Even with circumcision (which I adamantly oppose) -- at least most people are simply uneducated or ignorant -- they believe it is healthier, more sanitary, cuts infection risk (which we know is not true but ykwim) etc --- very few people simply do it for vanity -- but in ear piercing of an infant or a child who hasn't asked, hasn't had a say in it, and is being caused pain for nothing more than the sake of a parents' vanity and imo, misplaced priorities -- there is absolutely no other reason for it.

I'm sorry, "little Janie looks SO CUTE!!" is not a valid or acceptable reason to hold someone still without their consent as you shoot HOLES through their flesh. Sorry, cute it up all you (collective) like, but that is what is going on.

*nods to both* Well said!!!

I agree with you word for word.
post #94 of 138
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Originally Posted by babygrant View Post
Same thing you hear from people who circumcise their boys. :
Yeap. It's only a little pain, they won't remember it... that's why you do it at a young age. You don't see anyone advocating for piercing/modifiying alzheimer's patients for the same reasons.

A baby girl's ear piercings are frequently so people will know she's a girl. We don't need to start indoctrinating our girls so early to know their best worth are as decoration only.
post #95 of 138
Cap'n Crunchy, you ROCK.
post #96 of 138
My DD had her ears pierced when she was four months old.

Her pediatrician did it because I distrust the mall.

She didn't cry a single tear.

If the OP wants more info, please feel free to PM me. Otherwise, I, too, am staying out of the debate and not interested in a flame war. Thanks! :
post #97 of 138
I took my daughter in when she was 6 months old

BIG MISTAKE.

At the time, body piercing places were not for ears so I took her to the mall. ANOTHER BIG MISTAKE.

She has had constant problems with her ears and I think it was because they weren't done properly. She pretty much can never wear earrings even now and it's been 9 yrs later!

I'm finally pregnant with DD#2 and I will not be piercing her ears so early and if/when I do...I will take her to a body piercing place so everything is sterile.
post #98 of 138
Not to get into a war... but because of shear curiousity...

What reasons do you Mamas have for piercing your babies ears? Why is it so important to get it done when they are infants before they have a say?

I have seen many posts simply stating "I did it and don't regret they will love them like I do..."

But why do you think this? How can a baby love earrings? They don't even know what they are! lol
post #99 of 138
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Originally Posted by JSMa View Post
Not to get into a war... but because of shear curiousity...

What reasons do you Mamas have for piercing your babies ears? Why is it so important to get it done when they are infants before they have a say?

I have seen many posts simply stating "I did it and don't regret they will love them like I do..."

But why do you think this? How can a baby love earrings? They don't even know what they are! lol
First I won't be doing it again, I learned my lesson and I'm sorry it had to be on my daughter. *other post up there*

BUT, I did it because all the other baby girls in my family had them and they ARE just so darn cute but I would take back the darn cute to have my daughter have her healthy ears back!
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