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post #141 of 626
Mystic - I'd love to hear your experience with the work. I find it very fascinating and would like to do it myself.

Even though the last few months were hard - almost broke up with dp - I still don't have problems with PMDD. I upped the b6 during the worst time and I was fine. It's so nice to be read of the negative expectations for the second half of the cycle after suffering for so many years.
post #142 of 626
I love Byron Katie..a lot of what I talk about on my blog comes from her ideas and The Work.

I find I can talk myself out of it though during the worse times. I haven't been taking my supplements regularly but I'm going to start again cd 18 so it's not too late yet

Allgirls
post #143 of 626
Welcome to Dier and some1sgrrl! I second the lots of water and exercise advice. I agree that it helps to be self aware.

Another thing that has been very helpful for me in the past few years is to keep a journal of my thoughts and feelings. I have been able to look back and see any patterns, reoccuring issues, or just simply vent things in a safe way.

Mystic~mama, thanks for more advice. I will have to check out the works.

Me...I have had a long rough day. I have been feeling off all day, but managed to keep to myself and keep things under control. The weather didn't help, rainy and getting cold again. It is suppose to snow again this weekend. I am so sick of snow and winter. It is really getting to me right now. My mood was drastically better when it was warm last week. I also have not been exercising like I normally do. I just want to get outside. Well, tomorrow is a new day, right!?
post #144 of 626
For one of the PP's who wants to get pregnant but is concerned regarding her PMS/PMDD: the longest period of feeling physically and mentally PMS-symptom free, and just great, happened during both of my pregnancies (not calcultaing the typically pregnant-related issues here).
That's my personal experience, of course.
And after the babies are born you may have other or same hormone-related challenges to deal with.
I also must say that for me personally the PMS I have post-children has worsened comparing to the PMS I had before getting pregnant (maybe because the home situation has more stress factors with little ones around?). But even this knowledge, or the one I describe below, wouldn't have been a burden for me to start a family. I solely see these conditions as undesired side-effects.

I found that the pill was the very thing that has kept my PMS somewhat under control (before children). (Note that I used 2-3 different ones that I did not tolerate well, two of which made me have PMS like symptoms and one making me depressed, but the 4th one was a great match: Dianne 35, unfortunately a very 'heavy' one, but it also cleared my skin totally!). When I left it out for ttc I felt the effect of not taking it, too, but it was bearable and only 'little' discomfort.

I reluctantly but desperately went back to it while extbf and after I had two children (and 'undiagnosed', 'moderate' PPD, twice), and after I kept suffering from symptoms, mainly around my period. I also kept a calendar of feelings and thoughts and physical symptoms for a couple of months (when I finally realised I might be suffering from PPD) and it developed from symptoms almost daily to symptoms in clusters and definitely related to my cycle.
My obgyn (a she) never wanted to recognise it as PPD since it started to occur many months after the birth and I'd had my periods starting close after the birth every time, but at least she acknowledged my state of being and adressed the severe PMS, and I believe I might call it PMDD (I think that's a fairly new term, no?, probably manymany people adress their issue as PMS while it is in fact PMDD when your really seriously mentally suffering/having temperament changes too?).

Unfortunately, after only 6 months use of the (for me magical) pill and feeling completely myself again, I had to stop its use because of venous problems in my leg(s). These may or may not be partially caused by this pill, but I had to stop taking it for allowing my body to heal and during medication use. I will need a bloodcloth evaluation just to be sure before being able to go on the pill once again, and probably a lighter one, if, and when I will. Reason for taking it would be a combination of PMS-treatment, skin, and birth control. It's something I don't really like to take (understatement), but it has helped me tremendously, and then, rather this than ad. I'm not sure about going on the pill yet again cfr venous problem. But I also feel PMS/PMDD got me back.
I have been taking iron supplementation and vit B6 (in amounts of 50-100mg) and multivitamins occasionally and/or in the past, the iron I take when 'unexplained' exhaustion is around again. I notice that consciuosly eating lots of greens, and overall healthily, drinking lots of teas/water and leaving the sugar and junk out as much as possible helps a lot to get me in a state of well-being, as well as fresh air/walks and/or exercise. Not that I always live according to these ideals, but I feel that when I do much of an effort, it sure has results.

Anyway, I will come and look here once in a while since I notice that now I'm off this pill again, there are days I am totaly unreasonable an emotional again and I feel awful afterwards. It's like I become super sensory overloaded, too, both mentally and physically speaking. Some months the PMS/PMDD gets to me physically too and I feel like staying in bed for one or two days because of exhaustion and/or cramping/backache.
I have been describing PPD as continuos PMDD and I have been describing PMS/PMDD as recurring bouts of PPD, when it's at its worst. The worst is that PPD may be present all day 24/7 for manymnany months or even years, but the bad thing about PMS/PMDD is that it's there for manymany days too, every-single-month, over-and-over-again, for x years of your life. The thought of it is already pretty depressing, isn't it?

It's a hormonal issue that has been affecting me both physically and mentally, and my environment through me. Which is probably the worst of it all.

I feel it is very hard for a person who does or has not experienced this to find it at all credible. I usually find myself alone in it and hate myself when I am PMS/PMDDing (even when I'm not in the realisation yet that am).

Btw, today I am great. Spring is around etc. So I don't even know why I'm writing here now on the top of my sunny hill .
But last week, well, let's forget about all I've felt and said and let's hope others will be able to do the same.

And at least I can say I am myself now for major part of the month. I wish that could be whole months again, though.
post #145 of 626
The weather is really getting me down, too. Day after day of gray, cold, rain. We have had a few days of sunshine and it drastically improves my outlook! Now it's going to rain again for a few days : Spring is here, but it sure doesn't feel like it.
post #146 of 626
Hi ladies! I just found this thread and I am so happy.

I don't know if I am PMDD or just PMS, because this is all fairly new to me. I never suffered from any PMS (except cramps) in my life until after DS 2 was born (almost 3 years ago), and since AF didn't return until he was a year old, my PMS symptoms have only really started in the past 2 years. At first, I thought the mood swings, depression, etc were just my cycle "getting back on track" (my cycles have been text book my whole life until now), then I attributed it to what has become a fairly prolonged stressful time at work. It really wasn't until about 6-9 months ago that the light bulb went off in my head that there was a pattern to my symptoms and that the week before AF was when everything seems to go out of control for me.

so my question is where do I start? I've read this whole thread and I've done some googling on the subject, but to be honest, I am on information overload @ this point. There seem to be so many options, that I never end up picking any option for fear it might be the "wrong" choice. I did start taking EPO a few months ago (1000 mg per day) but I am not sure the dose is enough to make a difference. When I had my annual check up earlier this week, my OB suggested B6 (200 - 300 mg/day following O until AF starts - but after I googled it, I got worried the dose was too high) and my neighbor swears by black cohosh. At this point, I just know that I can't keep going on doing nothing. I am 3 or 4 days from AF right now, so my symptoms are on the rise and I don't expect them to peak until early next week sometime. DH and I have already come to blows once (late last night that carried into early this morning) and the next few days are going to be rocky as well, as my roller coaster of moods continues (and the dark, stormy weather outside isn't helping either!). If I start B6 now, any chance I can expect some relief for this cycle? I am getting only about 8mg of B6 right now from my multi-vitamin and a B-Stress Complex I am taking. Should I up my dose of EPO, try the black cohosh or even St. John's Wort?

Any help/guidance is much appreciated
post #147 of 626
Hi -- I also just found this thread (from the link in mystic mama's sig! ). I am definitely suffering with PMS/ PMDD. When I was being good about taking my cal-mag (which I started for severe nipple pain breastfeeding while I was ovulating) I was doing SO MUCH better! I am starting it again now... I forgot/ got lazy for a few months. (The nipple pain has been much reduced.)

I'll go back and read the archives of this thread tomorrow, I just took some melatonin, so it's time for bed!
post #148 of 626
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ernalala View Post
... I am totaly unreasonable an emotional again and I feel awful afterwards. It's like I become super sensory overloaded, too, both mentally and physically speaking. Some months the PMS gets to me physically too and I feel like staying in bed for one or two days because of exhaustion and/or cramping/backache.....
I totally can relate to this ~ definitely. last month as a matter of fact.

hi Alexis

take care
post #149 of 626
Hi ladies- I'm not entirely sure if I belong here or not. I've been tracking my moods for a few months now, and I'm finding that I really only have 1-1.5 good weeks in me per month before I can feel the pressure starting to really build up. Every month as I near ovulation I get so emotional- my patience goes down to a nub, and I find myself snapping and crying way more than I think is normal/healthy (not to mention the exhaustion and CRAVINGS) Does anyone else have such prolonged symptoms, or do most of you suffer mainly for the week before your period starts? I do feel fanstastic during my one good week, I've got to say-- things are pretty good in my life, and I don't really have anything major to feel down about. But dang- my brain can't convince my heart to lighten up during the bad times- it's really, really hard. I finally mentioned it to my gyn, but she wants me to see a therapist for awhile before taking any further steps. I keep wondering if bcp might help (since I'd love to be on bc now anyway!)
post #150 of 626
Hello new ladies and welcome!

And here we go again...I have been in a wonderful mood this last week after my fit last weekend about the horrible weather and cold. I even managed to get outside to go for a few walks. Well, my mother came over on Saturday and bam...my anxiety is back within an hour of her visit! (Let's just say that my mom always brings drama with her and is not the most responsible person in the world. I basically raised myself.) Anyway she brought up my father (they are divorced) whom lost his job due to a paper mill closing down around here. I won't go into detail but she managed to turn this into how wonderful she is that she didn't ask my Dad for more money when we were growing up. The thought of my father has created a huge amount of anxiety for me (and worrying about him) and normally I can deal with it, but this time it is mixed with the timing of my cycle. I am entering into the depression/anxiety week. It hasn't been bad the last few months as I am not even getting my period at all. But now I have this horrible anxious feeling that I cannot get rid of today. It came on last night after my mom came and this morning I was fine. Now, this last two hours it is back and I cannot shake it. I am having this panic feeling over everything including trivial things. I had this same thing about a year after my son was born that I would panic about little things and it is all things I have no control over. Could this be my hormones changing after having my daughter 6 months ago? Anyway, I am probably making no sense, but thought if I turn to this thread, it would help me. I even tried to meditate, with no success. I guess the next few days I need to keep to myself more until this passes. Has anyone had any success laying low during this time in their cycle? I am worried this will be a bad one and every litttle thing will trigger anxiety.

Okay, now it is passing. I am starting to feel better already thanks ladies!!
post #151 of 626
Thread Starter 
hi mamas,

SweetPotato ~ I have experienced weeeeks of these awful feelings and symptoms s


I've come to the realization that for me...PMDD became a label....
I think partly the occurrence of PMS/PMDD has something to do with our society, our disconnection to the earth and to our own power in many cases.

all the best
post #152 of 626
Wow, I am doing worse and worse these last few weeks. I am so confused because I am getting all my symptoms yet no period? I should get it sometime this week. Can post partum depresson occur 6 months after the baby? Can it bring on major anxiety? I don't know if it could be that or PMDD getting worse. Either way my hormones are a mess right now. I forgot about these bouts of anxiety over very small things. I had one major bout of anxiety last week and now am having another one. When this occurs I tend to make something out of nothing usually over-thinking something I said and going crazy out of my way to appologize for something I didn't need to in the first place. I did that today and once again took the person by surprise. Instead of feeling better about appologizing I feel like and idiot and now worry about "scaring" this person away (which seems to happen to me a lot). Some of the fear makes sense, however much of it is very irrational. I feel like this anxiety is causing drama that just isn't necessary and I cannot seem to stop it. Ugh...how can I stop this? Can I just write in here when I want to do those crazy things?

I will say that if I look at what I am doing right now I imagine stress is a huge factor in all of this. I am getting up at 3:45 am because my husband is already at work and I get both children and myself ready including nurse DD and pump before I leave the house. I am back to work full time and trying to pump at work. All of my spare time is going into pumping because I am a teacher and do not have much time away from my students. We are working long hours to make up for all the snow days. I am missing my children so much and work too far away from the daycare to go visit. I have a wonderful daycare lady that is taking great care of my daughter. She must think I am crazy because I keep calling just to "know my baby is okay" and then she keeps telling me "she is fine" what's wrong. Well the other day I had a rather stressful day at school and when the daycare lady asked me what was wrong, I mentioned about my day. Then I was worried that I said too much and offended her about what I said (see there I go again and yes, I appologized to her too)! I have not been good about taking my vitamins this month and have not exercised as much as I would like.

Oh, I just thougt of something. How much can caffeine influence your mood? I have given up cafeine since my pregnancy but have been drinking a cup of coffee everyday. Now that I think of it, the anxiety started about the same time I began to drink caffeine. Could the caffeine do that much? My diet has been horrible lately too. Tons of sugar and anything that is easy and convenient.

I have to run DD is waking up but I will take any suggestions. Thanks ladies.
post #153 of 626
Will write more later in response to the new posts.

I'm in the middle of when I would normally be miserable and for the most part I'm completely fine. That actually worries me because the last time I could sleep and had a normal mood during PMS week I was unexpectedly pregnant. So I almost kind of wish I were feeling worse.

But who knows...2 months ago was pretty good for no apparent reason, then last month was just about the worst month I've had, ever, and I've been continuing to do all the same supplements and techniques for several months now.
post #154 of 626
Joining/subbing!! Alexisyael sent me over here from livejournal. I had terrible PMS as a teen but it got ok during my 20s. I gave birth (at home, in water!!) to my daughter last Feb and since I got my period back at 8 mo pp it has been awful. I just crash into a hole I can't seem to dig myself out of for days. I have been taking omega 3s and will read the suggestions here, too. Anyway, hi! I'm on CD 30 so had the crash today... we'll see what happens.
post #155 of 626
s Lauren!!

Sheesh, I had a long-winded comment all typed out before and then I had to go watch something on hulu with my DH and erased it

Long post short:

mystic-mama: HELL YES, PMS/ PMDD (and also for me PPD) is so connected to our societal disconnect! I think there are lots of factors and that is a huge one. But, I also want to make sure we (I) don't blame ourselves (or completely let ourselves off the hook) b/c PMS is "just" a label and a societal construct. I went through a lot of thinking about that when I had my son -- I was so alone, no family anywhere nearby (except DH), so real support system except the mama-friends I cobbled together. I can't let myself entirely off the hook for not having a support system in place BUT I also can't blame myself, either. It is what it was, and I have to find the best way to deal with it as it is now!

momofPL: yes, PPD can start (or get suddenly worse) anytime in the first year PP. In fact, for extended nursers, I think even longer, but I have no proof of that, just a hunch (extended nursing, still the way to go, but supporting our bodies to be able to deal with the hormone fluxations should be TAUGHT to us, before our while we're pregnant, don't you think????)

Awaken: I occasionally think maybe I should try to get pregnant just to get rid of this awful PMS/ PMDD. And then my son goes through the horror that is his nighttime waking up issues and I remember why he's an only child

OK, on to me (and to me thinking I could make this a shorter comment! HAHAHAHAHA): I'm between ovulation and getting my period and doing OK, because I stepped back up to the every day regimine of cal-mag. It's hard to believe how amazing that stuff is for me. I still had some angry moments last week, but I didn't get the awful downward spiral, emotionally, and that's a Very Big Deal. Thank you all for being here! It reminded me that I'm not alone and that I can and should do something to support myself!
post #156 of 626
Hey Mamas, just found this thread and read through most of it. I am finally getting AF back while still nursing my 15 m.o. dd and boy... the old crazy hormone dance is back. I get super irritable and b*tchy about 1-2 days before I ovulate, I feel ovulation (pinch/twinge) and then just before my period I get really tired, nauseous, dizzy, exhausted. This month I took 1.5 days off work because of it. Reminds me of my old self before having babies on a really bad month. Weird.

I am on 250 mg/day Wellbutrin and 10 mg/day Prozac. Before my cycles came back these dosages were fine for me. But for the past month I haven't felt like they're quite doing their job. They certainly didn't mask or help my mood symptoms this month related to my cycle. I have a good pdoc who is only supposed to help me up to 1 yr PP because of the program she's in. But I am hoping she'll hang on with me a little bit more because I want to explore more med changes with her. Sigh. It's so hard.

It's hard on my family, it's hard on dh who doesn't know how to take me. It's hard on my kids when I have no patience with them. I don't like myself and I'm also not enjoying myself then. I think it's severe PMS.

Good luck to all on our journeys towards better health!
post #157 of 626
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Wow, I am doing worse and worse these last few weeks. I am so confused because I am getting all my symptoms yet no period? I should get it sometime this week. Can post partum depresson occur 6 months after the baby? Can it bring on major anxiety? .
Read my earlier post on this page and, YES is the answer two both questions. As a matter of fact, PPD only started to occur in me around 6m pp, both times I had it, and I am sure in my case that had to do with hormonal changes (related to introducing solids thus affecting breastfeeding and hormones)!!! In many cases women do not realise it can be ppd. I didn't, at first, but then I looked up information and well, there was no question about it. (Only my own obgyn refused to see it as ppd and wanted to name it pms (because I mentioned it to her at respectively 10 months, and after 16 (?)months with my second) eventhough I felt miserable most days with even higher peaks in my cycle). You may find more on this on breastfeeding sites and/or ppd sites. PPD can occur as soon as right after the birth and within the first year ğpostpartyum, I even believe in rare cases it can occur later (or let's say, be recognised as such).

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...Some of the fear makes sense, however much of it is very irrational. I feel like this anxiety is causing drama that just isn't necessary and I cannot seem to stop it. Ugh...how can I stop this? Can I just write in here when I want to do those crazy things?.
Please do, or if needed there's ppd groups on here, too. I know that writing it off was the greatest help of all, and finding people with similar experiences who could empathise and whom you could support in return, online is more anonymous and it may be the easiest way for you to open up about it to someone. Also, that's why I joined the PM thread here :-).

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I will say that if I look at what I am doing right now I imagine stress is a huge factor in all of this. .
True. I was actually making more stress out of things that shouldn't cause me that much stress. (in fact, still so during hard PMS/PMDD episodes, but somewhat less extreme). I saw problems, too, where there actually were not. Because of continuous 'thinking' (the radars in my head wouldn't go to sleep) I got sleep issues, to, which created more stressy moods in return. Vicious cycle...


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How much can caffeine influence your mood? ... Now that I think of it, the anxiety started about the same time I began to drink caffeine. Could the caffeine do that much? My diet has been horrible lately too. Tons of sugar and anything that is easy and convenient. .
Yes. Try to leave the bad foods out. Even if you have cravings for it. To be kind to yourself, do not completely forgo them. You may reward yourself with a small piece of choclate once in a while, there's even chocolate with cappucino filling on the market to meet both cravings . But only very rarely, and only tiny amounts! Have someone else watch over yr consumption, if possible.
post #158 of 626
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Hi ladies- I'm not entirely sure if I belong here or not. I've been tracking my moods for a few months now, and I'm finding that I really only have 1-1.5 good weeks in me per month before I can feel the pressure starting to really build up. Every month as I near ovulation I get so emotional- my patience goes down to a nub, and I find myself snapping and crying way more than I think is normal/healthy (not to mention the exhaustion and CRAVINGS) Does anyone else have such prolonged symptoms, or do most of you suffer mainly for the week before your period starts? I do feel fanstastic during my one good week, I've got to say-- things are pretty good in my life, and I don't really have anything major to feel down about. But dang- my brain can't convince my heart to lighten up during the bad times- it's really, really hard. I finally mentioned it to my gyn, but she wants me to see a therapist for awhile before taking any further steps. I keep wondering if bcp might help (since I'd love to be on bc now anyway!)
Oh yes, it can last for most part of the month if you're really unlucky. Maybe not every month as bad, but it does happen to last that long in some.

Tbh, my obgyn didn't suggest me to see a therapist (I was absolutely CONVINCED that it was merely HORMONAL in my case) but immediately agreed with me to try bcp again since I mentioned that in the past this certain 'brand' made me feel extremely good (before the births I had PMS too, only not as severe as after)! Be careful, because in my twenties I have tried 3 types of bcp before I found the one that really did it for me without bad side effects. I would trust to start with one yu have used in the past without problems. There's also a progestagen only pill (mini-pill), and some specialists treating PPD and other hormone related issues treat with progestagen supplementation, often in combination with particular vitamin/mineral supplementation. It may be possible, too, to have hormone levels and vitamin/mineral levels tested.
My obgyn initially suggested a natural medicine called Agnus Castus (Agnucaston) because she thought it compatible with breastfeeding (which she had wrong, when I researched it I found that it was absolutely NOT recommended with bf, because it may actually severely affect milk production, and of course I called her back with the info I found.

I started taking bcp again while extended bf (around 18 months) but would not have done it earlier than that. Now I am still extbf but of bcp for other healtrh reasons.
post #159 of 626
Hi again- cd 28 here- exhausted, but otherwise content I tried adding a B-complex plus extra B-6 for a couple of weeks, but didn't feel any better (actually, I felt darn cranky AND I had to pee ALL the time- what's up with that?) I forgot for a few days and feel better, so I'm going to wait it out. How long has it taken you all to feel th effects of vit. supplementation? I know I should probably give it longer, but the peeing was really annoying now that we're out hiking and playing at potty-less parks all the time! I'm also feeling a little irked about the therapy thing- I guess I feel like this is all SO obviously linked to my cycles that it's hard for me to justify the serious inconvenience of getting a sitter, etc. (my dd is just now getting used to her first ever non-family sitter since we moved away from my parents a year ago) Anyway- that's the quick update. We're due to leave town on Thursday for a vacation, so I'm crossing my fingers that I get my period before we leave so that I can count on feeling awake and good for our trip!
post #160 of 626
Here I am- back again- probably the last time I posted was a month ago!! UGH! I am dealing with severe mean anger today. My 3 yr old can be so unbearable- anyone would lose it with him- but for the majority of the month- i can deal so well. Today I am evil mom. I went to my midwife and got a prescription for BCP because I am going to be performing in a play in June. Since my two back to back m/c my acne and rage have been awful so I am going to give in and try the pharma route for a couple of months. i have all kinds of mixed feelings about it but I know it will help at least the acne and I can't face going on stage with bad skin! (VANITY!) After the show I am hoping to get snd stay pg. As for this morning's tirades- I am trying to move along with the day- It is sunny but COLD!! But we are all going for a bike ride.Exercise is so the key to mood for me.
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