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TF isn't making us any healthier

post #1 of 80
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This is a continual source of frustration to me...I am not any healthier overall than I was when I ate the SAD, and DD, who's been TF her whole life, is less healthy than her peers. Her baby teeth are more crowded than I've ever seen in a kid, she has tons of food intolerances, and she catches every illness that comes around. Since I weaned her 9 months ago she's been sick at least 8 times, between colds, the flu, and stomach bugs. So much for a healthy diet, extended BF'ing, and no vaxing making for healthier kids

I do believe TF is the best way to eat, but sometimes I don't feel like it's worth the effort since I'm not seeing any health benefits for either of us. That's one of DH's big beefs, too, that it's a lot of work, hassle, and expense and doesn't seem to be doing any good.

This is mostly a vent, but I'm curious if there are other TF kids out there who get sick all the time. DD's already GF & dairy-free other than butter, and I don't think she's reacting to any foods now, so I'm really at a loss to explain why she gets sick so often.
post #2 of 80
for us, the things that make the biggest difference healthwise are:

NO sugars of any kind
NO white flour/etc
Supplement with probiotics for the whole family

You could probably look into other immune support in addition to probiotics, but that would be my first suggestion. My son's only had a sniffly nose 3 times in his life, and has been on probiotics almost from birth, which we initially started b/c we were dealing with thrush/yeast with nursing....
post #3 of 80
I'm curious how TF you are. Are you grinding your own grains and soaking/fermenting them? Eating fermented foods every day, taking HVCLO and BO? We're nowhere near being completely TF, but I just wondered what exactly you do on a daily basis.
post #4 of 80
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DD's been on probiotics since she was 8 months old. She doesn't do fermented anything, I do off and on. I've never seen any positive benefits from ferments, probiotics work much better IME. Yes, we do grind our own grains and soak them, eat pastured meat, healthy fats, etc. We're probably 95% TF although I can't afford and/or find pastured butter and eggs. We don't eat much sugar for the most part, I bake a lot but use a small amount of rapadura/sucanat or sorghum syrup and then use stevia for the rest of the sweetener. We take vitamin A from fish oil and a good absorbable D3 supplement instead of CLO as DD doesn't tolerate it. I don't think BO is a TF necessity, it's more of a (very expensive) supplement to take if you're trying to accomplish something particular.
post #5 of 80
Hmm. She's not getting raw milk of any kind (human or another mammal) and she has crowded teeth- maybe she's not getting enough minerals? Will she drink bone broths? If I had a toddler who couldn't tolerate milk and whom I wasn't able to BF, I'd try to get the child to drink bone broths in a sippy cup the way may kids drink milk.

It's also possible, of course, that TF IS keeping her healthier, and she'd be even sicker than she is now without your efforts. And while you're not feeling "better since giving up the SAD" you've also been pg and nursing during this time. Perhaps you'd have developed nutritional deficiencies by now (and resultant illnesses, such as depression) if you'd stayed on the SAD.
post #6 of 80
What are SAD, HVCLO and BO?
post #7 of 80
It does sound like you would like to accomplish a few things in particular: strengthen your dd's immune system and improve her dental development. I'd look at those two since you mentioned them as specific things you are dissatisfied with, and see if your TF efforts are assertively targeted at supporting those goals, and whether you feel you need to adjust things or look elsewhere for more support in those areas if necessary.
post #8 of 80
Are you sure she's tolerating butter? Just that you say she's dairy free except for that, and she's still getting sick, it makes me wonder...

I'm back and forth with how TF I am. We do pastured meats and cage-free eggs, can't do dairy, gluten-free (so no grains that need soaking), fish oil/CLO, probiotics, saurkraut, yogurt, etc. But my kids are vaccinated. DD2 and DS both have intolerances. DD1 who eats whatever she feels like (including gluten, ice cream, butter, sugar) actually catches more viruses than the other two. DD2 doesn't actually get that many viruses. I'm doing it more for long-term health benefits. All my kids are going to need braces but DH had to have braces twice because his family has a lot of teeth and small jaws (palate expanders all around). And his family ate very healthy growing up. I think overall his family was much healthier than mine (we ate pretty grossly -- mac & cheese, tv dinners, icky stuff). You do have to take family histories into consideration. You can't expect to turn something around in a couple years, at least I'm not looking at it that way, because it would be too depressing!!

My grandparents lived to be 97 and 99, eating butter and gravy and real food, my grandfather having a huge garden until his death, and eating a ton of fresh vegetables (and canned what they didn't eat fresh) and until late in life eating their own meats. And that is what I'm using as my guide to good health.
post #9 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
It's also possible, of course, that TF IS keeping her healthier, and she'd be even sicker than she is now without your efforts. And while you're not feeling "better since giving up the SAD" you've also been pg and nursing during this time. Perhaps you'd have developed nutritional deficiencies by now (and resultant illnesses, such as depression) if you'd stayed on the SAD.
: tbh that's what my gut feeling is on the issue as well.
post #10 of 80
Have you thought about going grain free? That made a huge difference for my health. I am mostly TF but I don't tolerate grains well at all, and I think it causes my body to not absorb nutrients. It could be that there's something keeping your DD from absorbing the nutrients in the food. Grains, even soaked, just aren't good for some people.
post #11 of 80
Ugh, that does sound really frustrating. Spending all the money and time preparing healthful foods, and then seeing your child have all the same problems as her peers.

If minerals are a problem, maybe some ConcenTrace could help. It's inexpensive and super easy to add to drinks and foods (flavorless unless you add too much). Someone here said she had great success with healing dental caries by adding ConcenTrace to EVERYTHING her family ate for about a year. I think they were also doing CLO, but didn't use BO because of the expense.
post #12 of 80
What's concentrace?
post #13 of 80
SAD = Standard American Diet (white flour, white sugar, high fructose corn syrup, chemically laden processed dead foods, etc.....)

HVCLO = High vitamin cod liver oil (more potent than "regular" cod liver oil)

BO = Butter oil, literally made from the oil in butter from cows that ate grass(great in combination with cod liver oil to reverse tooth decay, among other things)

Concentrace = trace mineral drops you can add to your water or drink with juice (contains primarily magnesium, chloride, sodium, potassium sulfate and boron along with many others listed in the ingredients list)
post #14 of 80
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Originally Posted by velcromom View Post
It does sound like you would like to accomplish a few things in particular: strengthen your dd's immune system and improve her dental development. I'd look at those two since you mentioned them as specific things you are dissatisfied with, and see if your TF efforts are assertively targeted at supporting those goals, and whether you feel you need to adjust things or look elsewhere for more support in those areas if necessary.
I spent a good year and a half researching and trying all sorts of stuff to try to widen DD's palate, and as far as I can tell her teeth are just as crowded at almost 3 as they were when she was one. I don't think there's anything else I can do nutrition-wise to correct that.
post #15 of 80
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Originally Posted by WildIris View Post
Have you thought about going grain free? That made a huge difference for my health. I am mostly TF but I don't tolerate grains well at all, and I think it causes my body to not absorb nutrients. It could be that there's something keeping your DD from absorbing the nutrients in the food. Grains, even soaked, just aren't good for some people.
I've done grain free at various times and it doesn't seem to make any difference. I actually feel better if I eat grains as I have trouble getting enough to eat otherwise. DD doesn't have very many foods and she'd probably starve if I didn't give her grains.
post #16 of 80
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Originally Posted by kjbrown92 View Post
Are you sure she's tolerating butter? Just that you say she's dairy free except for that, and she's still getting sick, it makes me wonder...
We ate butter for several months before I weaned her and she didn't get sick then. We ate ghee for several months before we tried butter and I didn't notice any differences in her when we started the butter. She didn't get sick during her dairy trials, either, even though she was clearly reacting to dairy.
post #17 of 80
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Maybe I'll try Concentrace some time...it's about the only thing I haven't tried! And maybe I'll try doing more bone broths and see how she tolerates them. She loves "soup" (any sort of liquid in a dish) so I'm sure she'd be thrilled to have more of it.
post #18 of 80
What about adding back mama's milk? Ds came down with whooping cough within months of weaning. I truly think it makes a huge difference!


Pat
post #19 of 80
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Originally Posted by caedmyn View Post
Maybe I'll try Concentrace some time...it's about the only thing I haven't tried! And maybe I'll try doing more bone broths and see how she tolerates them. She loves "soup" (any sort of liquid in a dish) so I'm sure she'd be thrilled to have more of it.
I think these are both great ideas. Let us know how it goes, mama!
post #20 of 80
I'm sorry, caedmyn. I know you've worked hard over the years. Definitely try the bone broth. It's the season anyway, so there's no loss.

Amanda
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