Really out-dated website

[jecombs]

Okay, someone posted this link on another board.

http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/pa/pa_nightfd_hhg.htm

I can't believe how horrible the information is. That's the kind of advice that leads to premature weaning and FF!

I'd really like to get the information taken down, but I'm not sure who to talk to or if they'd even care.

Maybe my fellow lactivists can help me out!

Thanks!

[balancedmama]

: That is terrible. Usually I start by emailing the org and see where it gets me. Provide them with reasons why the info is inappropriate. Provide resources they would 'trust'. LLL, journals, etc.

[jillc512]

Are they kidding???

Wow, apparently they've never heard of failure to thrive either...

[Claire and Boys]

5 feedings a day at 4 months old???? this is just bizarre...

[AutumnAir]

"From birth to 2 months babies wake twice a night!" - Ha, my DD is 10 months old and has NEVER woken ONLY twice a night!
But seriously, that is awful information, but it's also coupled with CIO advice. And, TBH, sounds exactly like the sort of 'advice' that's doled out by most peds, regardless of the evidence to the contrary.

[velcromom]

Wow, such awful nighttime parenting advice. This is exactly the kind of 'advice' that leads parents to painfully unrealistic expectations, and even more painful repercussions for the poor babe who is subjected to them. Hope you get a good result from contacting them!

Ironically, the fine print at the bottom of the page reads, "This content is reviewed periodically and is subject to change as new health information becomes available." Guess not.

[1littlebit]

holy moly thats awful!! of for real ds is ff and eats way more then that and hes 9 months old. if i wanted to feed him 5 times a day i would have to feed him like 10 oz at a time. i swear that is one of the things that leads to ff babies being more likely to be over weight. feeding the a bunch at one time and waiting as long as possible then doing it again!! feed the babies when they are hungry no matter when they last ate. it is better for babies and grown ups to eat a little but more often ... not a lot less often! sheesh.

and breast milk digests fast then formula those poor hungry babies!!! not to mention the mamas who probably had supply issues from that kind of advice. apparently they aren't so into updating their information i would think that would be important considering the content of the sight!!

[menomena]

My older DD's (3.5yrs) first 2 pediatricians (before we switched to a family doc) were affiliated with the umich hospital system.

The first one (birth to 6m) consistently referred to my milk as "high octane" milk and never failed to mention how BIG my daughter was. Because my milk! was so rich! OMG! It *may* have been a compliment but it made me feel like there was something weird about us.

She also started doling out the parenting advice at 2m - including giving us parental "homework" of going on a date - alone - by her 4m appt. It was really pushy and weird.

By our 6m appt, she freaked out that DD nursed every 2hrs or so and a few times at night. And that she slept in our bed. I was told to get her on more solids and that she should be eating 4x during the day and once at night, but that she "should" be able to go the whole night w/o eating because she was a huge 6m old (my response: so, since she's "so huge" wouldn't she need to eat MORE frequently at night?)

We switched to a different office for 6 to 15m. I was told at our 12m appt that nursing beyond a year had no nutritional value "despite what those LLL people will tell you." When I argued, she told me that really it was only good for people in third worlds, but here in America we had access to such good food that it wasn't necessary to continue. That office also had a handout for FOUR MONTH OLDS about CIO and separate sleep and ceasing night feedings.

We left for a totally separate family practice after that.

FWIW - I delivered her at the umich hospital (got talked out of my homebirth by DH, who now deeply regrets that). They took her at birth for several hours because I ran a fever in labor. They gave her 36hrs of abx after basically telling us we had an infection and that she would die w/o them. [ETA: when the cultures came back at 36hrs, of course they'd been negative.] While they had her - luckily DH was there the whole time - they continually tried to bully him into giving her formula and/or glucose water. He was so good about saying that she was breastfeeding and if they were SO concerned about her eating maybe they should let him take her back to me. I get so angry when I think that if he hadn't been so firm, they may have sabotaged the beginnings of our nursing relationship.

Moral: UM/affiliated is NOT breastfeeding friendly IMEs.

[ancoda]

Wow that almost made me cry thinking that people accually follow that.

[LinzluvsGJ]

Yikes! My 19 month old even still wakes up to nurse at least once during the night. They don't need to have any calories during the night from 5 months is a weird and unfounded statement.

[Hemiola]

Wow!

Perhaps you could contact the Birth Center (number listed on the Contact Us page) and ask to speak with the LC. At least that way you get to speak with an actual person who has some knowledge of these things and not the IT dude who has no say about website content anyway. I'm glad you're following up on this! Keep us posted

-Laura

[Sileree]

Wow. I live in the city this hospital is located in. In some ways UofM is pretty progressive but in others its pretty backwards so I can't say I am surprised.

[Ruthla]

Wow! They tell you to space out day feedings to encourage STTN? WTF?? Don't babies need to eat MORE often during the day if they're going to get enough food to not nurse at night?

It looks like they';re basically doling out FF information and suggesting it to nursing moms.

[momo7]

Originally Posted by ancoda

Wow that almost made me cry thinking that people accually follow that.

I know. I was going to post that comment myself. The whole page reeks of being totally unresponsive to the emotional needs of a baby. Almost as if they don't have feelings of fright or just the basic need of wanting to be loved and feel secure.