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post #101 of 173
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Originally Posted by MammaKoz View Post

Anyways, it's one of those little plastic stand alone pottys, with the actual little bowl in it. He uses that and then I can wait for a good time to discretely dispose of it, (ie subtly reaching under the van and dumping the pee out kinda thing when no one is looking).

HTH.
Line it with a plastic shopping bag. Then you can just pull that out and drop it in the trash. You don't have to worry about urine residue in the potty making your van stinky .... tip from Heather.....daycare provider, lol.
post #102 of 173
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Originally Posted by savvybabygrace View Post
What do others think about this?
Accidents happen *shrug*

Which is an entirely different thing, imo, from the OP's situation.
post #103 of 173
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Originally Posted by amma_mama View Post
Because, presumably, 5 year olds need to be chaperoned out the door. You can't have kids going in different directions, including the bathroom. Why is it such a BIG deal that the parent needs to accompany the kid back into school to go to the bathroom. Hardly seems onerous to me. If you want the privilege of staying on school grounds, make just a little bit of effort to make sure that the grounds remain usable for all the children!
That's why you schedual a potty break right at the end of class. IMO the teacher not doing that is being lazy... It's for her convenience that the children don't get to use the potty before leaving the school, not the childrens.
post #104 of 173
I don't think it's being lazy. I think it's being realistic about time management when you only have 2.5 hours. The teacher is not there to make the parents' life more convenient. If your child needs to use the bathroom after class it is your responsibility as the parent to take them.
post #105 of 173
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Originally Posted by Maeve View Post
I don't think it's being lazy. I think it's being realistic about time management when you only have 2.5 hours. The teacher is not there to make the parents' life more convenient. If your child needs to use the bathroom after class it is your responsibility as the parent to take them.
Exactly. Chances are they do take a potty break earlier in the day and based on my experience helping with my DD's kindergarten I would guess that a potty break for preschoolers probably takes at least 15 minutes of class time. If you add a second potty break at the end of the day you are now taking about 30 minutes of class time - that is 20% of the day! Add into that the time it takes to get everyone ready to go home and time to settle everyone down in the morning and the day is almost gone!

Honestly, if the kids go to the bathroom before coming to school in the morning and get a break half way through the 2 1/2 hour day there really shouldn't be a need for the entire class to potty again before going home.
post #106 of 173
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Originally Posted by TCMoulton View Post
Honestly, if the kids go to the bathroom before coming to school in the morning and get a break half way through the 2 1/2 hour day there really shouldn't be a need for the entire class to potty again before going home.
That depends entirely on the child... Not all children have the same level of control or the same sized bladder.
post #107 of 173
urine is only initially sterile, once the ammonia evaporates, it is no longer sterile.

Plus it is where other people play, why should they have to smell it, and if they had those rules for everyone, all the 4 years that that was a good place to urinate that would really make it a pretty dirty place to play.

I think the school has a point in asking her not to do it, and even though it's a pain in the neck having to pick him up outside, and then bring him back inside they have to abide by those rules for security reasons, keep in mind they are dealing with lots of kids at the same time and can't make too many concessions for individuals.
post #108 of 173
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Originally Posted by MusicianDad View Post
That depends entirely on the child... Not all children have the same level of control or the same sized bladder.
But again, it's not the teacher's job to make the parent's life easier, the parent's should be taking their children to the bathroom at the end of the day after hours. It's not easy at all to organize a bathroom break for dozens of kids at once, for the few children that need it at the end of the day, their parent's should be the one that do it.
post #109 of 173
I've just read through this thread and what comes up for me is how children are not respected in society. As adults, I can not imagine having to all go for a pee break at the same time. Yes, there may be set breaks at work - but if you have to go at another time - this is usually very possible. But it seems with young children they have to wait until an authority figure tells them it is ok. I understand it is the school system and for safety reasons they can't just allow kids to go whenever, but still to expect children to "obey" this regulation because they are kids is not giving them the same respect that we would all want. I imagine it could be kind of stressful if a child feels they have to go, after the alloted time. If there was someone else in the class room, a helper, who could take the child - I think this would be a good thing.

And instead of scolding the mother - which is sort of the way I see it - as the incident was brought up over and over and over again - to me it would have been much better if they could have had a discussion and tried to figure out a way in which the mother would have felt they cared about not only the playground but also her child. ie) not speaking in such a shameful manner, brainstorming with her what would work,showing empathy for her, her child, and the school playground and children - basically treating her with respect. I guess as I write - I think that the way they treated her was not respectful. That would really bother me as I would want my child to be a place that is able to show empathy and not just judgment.

Lesley
post #110 of 173
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Originally Posted by intentionalmama View Post
I've just read through this thread and what comes up for me is how children are not respected in society. As adults, I can not imagine having to all go for a pee break at the same time. Yes, there may be set breaks at work - but if you have to go at another time - this is usually very possible. But it seems with young children they have to wait until an authority figure tells them it is ok. I understand it is the school system and for safety reasons they can't just allow kids to go whenever, but still to expect children to "obey" this regulation because they are kids is not giving them the same respect that we would all want. I imagine it could be kind of stressful if a child feels they have to go, after the alloted time. If there was someone else in the class room, a helper, who could take the child - I think this would be a good thing.

And instead of scolding the mother - which is sort of the way I see it - as the incident was brought up over and over and over again - to me it would have been much better if they could have had a discussion and tried to figure out a way in which the mother would have felt they cared about not only the playground but also her child. ie) not speaking in such a shameful manner, brainstorming with her what would work,showing empathy for her, her child, and the school playground and children - basically treating her with respect. I guess as I write - I think that the way they treated her was not respectful. That would really bother me as I would want my child to be a place that is able to show empathy and not just judgment.

Lesley
I think they did come up with a solution, on how she can bring him back into the school to use the facility there, they take the time to buzz her back in, etc which is more helpful than saying, don't let him do that and not offering to let her back in, so she could either rush him home asap or bring a recepticle. I don't think there would have been enough options to brainstorm, and I'd fell a little patronized if a person did that to me.

The reason that the kids have set breaks is because of security, and they have a harder time holding it while at school, they can't hold it all day, but the teacher can't leave all the other students to follow one to the bathroom, and that child can't go on their own. It's not ideal, but there isn't an alternative.
post #111 of 173
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Originally Posted by intentionalmama View Post

And instead of scolding the mother - which is sort of the way I see it - as the incident was brought up over and over and over again - to me it would have been much better if they could have had a discussion and tried to figure out a way in which the mother would have felt they cared about not only the playground but also her child. ie) not speaking in such a shameful manner, brainstorming with her what would work,showing empathy for her, her child, and the school playground and children - basically treating her with respect. I guess as I write - I think that the way they treated her was not respectful. That would really bother me as I would want my child to be a place that is able to show empathy and not just judgment.

Lesley
I just reread the OP, the mother was talked to twice. Once by a teacher and then later by the assistant principal. This to me is not over and over and over again. The OP said it was not the first time the child had done this and many people (as evident by the replies to the thread) do not want to listen to rules just from the teacher so an administartor stepping in seems important in this case. espicially since it was not the child's teacher who originally said something.
post #112 of 173
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Originally Posted by nursemummy View Post
This is what I think. And time management be damned. It's sheer, absolute laziness on the part of the staff to not take them to the bathroom. That's standard procedure at my dd's daycare & preschool.
Where did the OP ever state that her child was not taken to the washrooom while at school? She stated that she was not sure if they had a scheduled potty break but I highly doubt that a teacher would refuse a child a trip to the bathroom.
post #113 of 173
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Originally Posted by nursemummy View Post
This is what I think. And time management be damned. It's sheer, absolute laziness on the part of the staff to not take them to the bathroom. That's standard procedure at my dd's daycare & preschool.
No where does it say they do not take the kids to the bathroom! The OP is talking about after school is dismissed and she is at the playground after her child is out of school.
post #114 of 173
Same thoughts I was reading and posting as you posted
post #115 of 173
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Originally Posted by mommyto3girls View Post
Same thoughts I was reading and posting as you posted
post #116 of 173
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Originally Posted by nursemummy View Post
This is what I think. And time management be damned. It's sheer, absolute laziness on the part of the staff to not take them to the bathroom. That's standard procedure at my dd's daycare & preschool.
I highly doubt that the class is not being provided with adequate restroom breaks for 4 year olds during the day, just not, apparently, right before class is dismissed. Most preschool kids go to the bathroom in groups when the restroom is out of the classroom. Why should my child have to waste her time because someone else wants their child to be taken to the restroom right before the end of class so they can stay and play? If this child needs to pee AFTER class is dismissed, that's neither the teacher's nor the class's responsibility.
post #117 of 173
As another pp pointed out, this sounds like an elementary school that has public pre-k. If so, I can totally see why they don't want ANY student to pee on the playground. What if an older student saw a little one doing it and decided he/she could do it too? Do we really want kids aged 4-10 to just go pee on the school playground whenever they want? That would be strange. They have to have a hard and fast rule. They can't allow it for some students and not others.
post #118 of 173
I did say in an earlier post that I carry a "pee bottle" in the car, basically a one liter rubbermaid liquid container. Once I get home I rinse it out with vinegar and water and put it back in the car. It really was a lifesaver for the potty training and preschool age.

No matter what the school's restroom break schedule is, this is happening after school hours, out in the playground. It's the parent or guardian's responsibility to handle it.
Our school's playground has a port-a-potty there, that is really the ideal solution.

And I never understand the "urine is sterile" excuse. Urine is only sterile for a short time outside the body. Then it breaks down and grows bacteria at a fast rate and stinks.
Haven't you ever smelled a toilet that hasn't been flushed in a few hours? It reeks.
post #119 of 173
So I'm one of the big proponents of the "No human pee on the playground" opinion, but I'm feeling bad about the OP now. She doesn't have that many posts overall, and has clearly not been a part of the pee war threads that have gone on here before. She hasn't been back to post since the OP either.

OP, I'm sorry. The school was rude to you, and now we've all run off with your thread. I think you can find a solution from the ideas given here because I get that it's a pain to go back inside the school; and I get they aren't making it easy for you. I don't think you should let your son keep doing it, but it can be solved.
post #120 of 173
I do believe that if they were getitng rude, you need to complain to the principal. There would be no excuse for that.
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