I got in trouble for DS going "potty" outside school - Page 8

[MusicianDad]

IME adults who don't respect other adults, rarely show the same respect to even their own children let alone another persons.

[Ceinwen]

Originally Posted by MusicianDad

No, your not hearing about other kids doing this because the OP only knows about her son. For all we know those (dozens? Seriously?) other kids could be having a similar issue only aren't staying after school to play. And yes, I believe like nursemummy, that when I have to go to the bathroom I have a right to go with minimal fuss that does not include waiting until someone else says I can come inside and go. If I were the OP's son I'd be peeing on the tree just to prove they can't control my baser needs.

You're much more succinct than I am - thank you.

[Sprungthe2.50]

Originally Posted by nursemummy

Because IME - it is less inconvenient for the teacher to do it.

YMMV.

??????

Less inconvenient for who? You or the teacher?

[~PurityLake~]

Originally Posted by MusicianDad

IME adults who don't respect other adults, rarely show the same respect to even their own children let alone another persons.

So true.

[Ceinwen]

Originally Posted by Sprungthe2.50

??????

Less inconvenient for who? You or the teacher?

The teacher - parents and children are not appreciated back in the school after final bell. We've been told as much...

And - I'm coming from my experience as an ECE... in the trenches, so to speak.

[Sprungthe2.50]

Originally Posted by nursemummy

You're much more succinct than I am - thank you.

Would you feel that way if someone chose a place where you play as a spot to pee?

If this was a singular incident then the school was way out of line, but the op said it was multiple times and he'd decided it was his spot. The school said it wasn't and unfortunately do not have the time or means to change a schedule or designated release spot because of the legalities, bureaucracy and rules they need to abide by themselves.

[katheek77]

And what happens if the teacher does rearrage the schedule, and takes the kids to the bathroom 15 minutes before leaving and they DON'T pee at that time - especially since, as has been pointed out over and over, some kids don't pee on command? Then what? Do we even know when the potty breaks *are* for these kids? Is it possible they're going 10/15/30 minutes before dismissal, and some of the kids just aren't peeing then?

I've taught. You figure 10 minutes minimum to get preschoolers dressed/bags packed/ etc to leave. If you're going potty before that, that's another 10 minutes. Then pickup is 5-10 mins minimum. So, that's 25 minutes at least from pee to dismissal. A lot of kids who didn't have to pee at the D-25 mark may well have to at D+5. At which point the PARENT has a RESPONSIBILITY to take the child to the bathroom. It's really not that hard. If it *is* so hard, perhaps the parent should go home, let the child use the bathroom, and then come back or go to an alternate park.

[TCMoulton]

Originally Posted by ~Purity♥Lake~

Just wondering where these preschool classes are that are composed of 'dozens' of children with one adult in charge of them...isn't that child/adult ratio illegal?

a dozen is 12, dozens implies more than one dozen, so what, 2 dozen? 24, or 3 dozen to qualify as 'dozens', so that would be 36 preschoolers with one teacher? I sure hope that's not the case. I don't think it is, so let's stop saying 'taking dozens of 4 year olds to potty'. It's inflammatory to continue doing so.

In our public school district it is not uncommon to see 24+ kids in a preschool/kindergarten clann. My DD's class was 26 last year because the school had 10 new students arrive after the year started and there was no space in the building to start a 3rd section. Her teacher, FWIW, did not have a dedicated aide just help on occasion including help from parents. So in my personal situation, taking dozens of children is neither inflammatory nor incorrect.

[Ceinwen]

[QUOTE=Sprungthe2.50;12564087]Would you feel that way if someone chose a place where you play as a spot to pee? [QUOTE]

I don't think it was right for him to pee there - I never, ever said so.

[Sprungthe2.50]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton

In our public school district it is not uncommon to see 24+ kids in a preschool/kindergarten clann. My DD's class was 26 last year because the school had 10 new students arrive after the year started and there was no space in the building to start a 3rd section. Her teacher, FWIW, did not have a dedicated aide just help on occasion including help from parents. So in my personal situation, taking dozens of children is neither inflammatory nor incorrect.

thank you........

[MusicianDad]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton

In our public school district it is not uncommon to see 24+ kids in a preschool/kindergarten clann. My DD's class was 26 last year because the school had 10 new students arrive after the year started and there was no space in the building to start a 3rd section. Her teacher, FWIW, did not have a dedicated aide just help on occasion including help from parents. So in my personal situation, taking dozens of children is neither inflammatory nor incorrect.

Which is also not mom's fault... It's the systems fault. Another reason I like Canada, it's illegal to have 24 kids in a preschool class.

[Sprungthe2.50]

Originally Posted by MusicianDad

Which is also not mom's fault... It's the systems fault. Another reason I like Canada, it's illegal to have 24 kids in a preschool class.

I'd love that too, I lived in Canada and miss it dearly, but the best solution to this is to just take the kid to the bathroom yourself and not expect the teachers to pick up the slack for a crappy system. Believe me, they'd change it all in a heart beat if they could.

[Ceinwen]

Originally Posted by MusicianDad

Which is also not mom's fault... It's the systems fault. Another reason I like Canada, it's illegal to have 24 kids in a preschool class.

That would never happen in Ontario (I live up north) - I think that would be a huge safety issue to have that many kids in a class.

I'm not saying the teacher is to blame. I'm saying that motions and actions could be undertaken to make this situation better.

[MusicianDad]

Originally Posted by nursemummy

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I'm not saying the teacher is to blame. I'm saying that motions and actions could be undertaken to make this situation better.

There you go being the succinct one now. That is exactly it.

[Sprungthe2.50]

Originally Posted by nursemummy

That would never happen in Ontario (I live up north) - I think that would be a huge safety issue to have that many kids in a class.

I'm not saying the teacher is to blame. I'm saying that motions and actions could be undertaken to make this situation better.

But the motions and actions you suggested aren't practical, if even do-able, especially to just make a parent's life easier on taking her child to the bathroom and you said the teachers were being lazy.

[~PurityLake~]

Originally Posted by Sprungthe2.50

not expect the teachers to pick up the slack for a crappy system.

I don't believe the OP is wanting the teachers to take up the slack, I believe she is expressing the teacher was rude to her and that she has a potty problem with her son.

[LizaBear]

I think that the school staff was likely being rude in the manner which they handled this.

BUT - I also think that they are well within their rights to insist she not allow her son to urinate outdoors.

Not just as a matter of school policy, but I am not aware of any places where public urination isn't illegal. It's not just something the school has made up - were it an adult urinating on the tree, they could be facing a ticket / fine (I believe it's likely a misdemeanor).

At what age does public urination (not just outdoors, but PUBLIC) become unacceptable ?

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/public-urination/

[MusicianDad]

Originally Posted by Sprungthe2.50

But the motions and actions you suggested aren't practical, if even do-able, especially to just make a parent's life easier on taking her child to the bathroom and you said the teachers were being lazy.

If they aren't practical or do-able, then why are other schools in other areas able to do it?

[Maeve]

I really think that maybe we should get away from issue on whether or not it's acceptable to pee outside, but just help the OP find other options (like we have tried to do) as well as dealing with the rudeness.

Potty issue:

Explain to dc that urinating at the playground is *not* an option and that if he needs to go he can go inside or use a portable potty. If it it happens again, calmly explain that he broke the rules and that it is time to leave.

Teacher/AP issue:
I would write a letter or call and speak to (or both) the teacher as well as the AP and explain how bothered you were by how you were treated. They need to know that being rude to a parent is not acceptable. Take it up with the principal if needed.

[Ceinwen]

Originally Posted by MusicianDad

If they aren't practical or do-able, then why are other schools in other areas able to do it?

That's what I'd like to know. I've offered my very real, and timely experience, and it's just being completely discredited.

And again, I don't think the teacher (persay) needs to be the fixer here. Nor do I think that everyone accepts public urination (a four year old peeing on a tree wouldn't bother me - but it's not about me).

I will recant on the teachers being lazy. It really raises my ire when other adults in the educational field are behaving in a subpar manner (i.e. the OP's post about the confrontation with the teacher).

There is a fix here, that's all I'm trying to say. Maybe the OP needs to go higher up the food chain?