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My clock is wrong!

post #1 of 13
4/8/02 at 5:13pm
Thread Starter 
I think got put on daylight savings time. It still says GMT-10, but GMT doesn't change, right? So... I'm at a loss.

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post #2 of 13
4/9/02 at 5:24pm
Is the board showing the time according to your area? It will continue to say GMT minus whatever based upon the selection you made from the geographical selections in the options. You obviously chose Hawaii which is GMT -10. But is the time showing for you as correct Hawaii time. If not it may be because the board software does not compensate for DST so you'll be an hour off.

There's an extensive discussion about this in the vBulletin support forums if you're interested in detailed explanations and suggestions. Read Daylight Savings Time

In a nutshell the solution seems to be to change your settings by choosing a geographical offset that would correct the time to reflect your local time. You'd do that in the UserCP in Edit options.

~Cynthia
post #3 of 13
4/9/02 at 5:33pm
I'm going to try something here. Our system setting is for Pacific Time because our server is located in that region. But it doesn't have to be set for that (I think) Considering we are an international group of parents why not set the board for GMT? If you have chosen your timezone personally then it should (but might not if the DST is an issue) show correctly or at least more accurately in comparasion for everyone.

I'll change it and check back here tomorrow for comments.

~Cynthia
post #4 of 13
4/9/02 at 5:41pm
Shucks! I was wrong!

Here's a piece of wisdom from vBulletin:
"vB uses the server time (which you set up in the Admin CP.) So if the server adjusts for Daylight Savings, then so will vB."

Obviously the server time is an essential key to it all so I'm leaving it at PT. If your time is off by an hour then simply change your options to correct it.

The correct time for PT is GMT-9
I'm :
And

Help...

I'm okay...really.

This is what we get for playing with time...

post #5 of 13
4/9/02 at 8:39pm
Thread Starter 
Thanks Cynthia. If I am reading that info correctly you have two places to set while I only have one. Is that right?

Polinco said
Quote:

Never mind, I found the answer...

For those who are still dumbfounded, the answer lies in the fact that there are TWO (2)
locations where this time parameter is used; namely in the Control panel itself AND in the
Users CP under Edit options.

If you are the administator then both must point to the same time zone. Users must adjust the
parameter in the Users CP to their own time zone.

So the use of the standard GMT is quite correct as the offset will be given according to what
the user had specified in their Users CP.

And I agree with the moderator on the use of GMT. WTF is UTC anyway? Some bureaucrat's opinion that Greenwhich sounds too white or something???


Polinco
If I am understing this conversation and your comments, the server in Pacific Time was reset when DST started, right? It sounds like they designed it wrong or labeled the buttons badly. I dunno. All I do know is GMT hasn't changed and neither have I. *sigh*
post #6 of 13
4/9/02 at 9:00pm
Thread Starter 
To clarify... when DST started, did you have to manually reset all the stuff at the server or does the vB code, uh.. know what day it is and reset the clocks for you?
post #7 of 13
4/9/02 at 9:02pm
Thread Starter 
To clarify... when DST started, did you have to manually reset all the stuff at the server or does the vB code, uh.. know what day it is and reset the clocks for you?

Oh, and if you wanted you could post a Q specifically about whole time zones that don't use DST. I think what I find the oddest is that they have seperate time zones for Alaska and Hawaii, although the only actual difference is that they use DST and we don't. So, if I am gonna get reset anyway, why two seperate settings. know what I mean?
post #8 of 13
4/10/02 at 6:39am
I set the timezone in the Admin CP to coordinate with the server's location. If that location observes DST then vB will automatically move the time ahead in the spring, which it did.

The other setting is an individual one for each member. So yes, I personally would set my own option for my local time.

No, I didn't change any settings manually for DST. vB did it.

My own local time is off by one hour because Arabia does not observe DST. But PT does which is the timezone the server and the system is in. Am I making any sense here? LOL

PT time is GMT-8. With DST moving the clocks ahead 1 hour PT becomes GMT-7 only this isn't reflected in the geographical options. GMT doesn't change (though London time does) so those that do have to fix the difference themselves.

Kama'aina mama I assume your time is showing incorrectly because Hawaii doesn't follow DST and our server time does so the software change moved it ahead an hour.

About this:
"I think what I find the oddest is that they have seperate time zones for Alaska and Hawaii, although the only actual difference is that they use DST and we don't. So, if I am gonna get reset anyway, why two seperate settings. know what I mean?"

Are you sure about alaska and Hawaii being in the same time zone? WorldTimeZone.com shows as I type this Hawaii - 11:35PM Hawaii Standard Time and Alaska 1:35 AM Alaska Daylight Time. Between them is Aleutian Daylight? So I understand from that that Hawaii and Alaska normally are an hour apart? Don't get the Aleutian time zone though.
post #9 of 13
4/10/02 at 5:00pm
Thread Starter 
Oh yeah... when I said that I was a knucklehead. Wrong, wrong, dead wrong. See I sometimes get confused about which direction the time moves (you are right... we should mess with time. it makes my head hurt!) So I knew that Alaska was an hour off from me during teh winter and I somehow got the idea that in the summer they would be on the same time as me. Nope. Opposite. They are two hours from me. *sigh*

Okay, see vB has dropped teh ball is what it comes down to. The way they have designed it if your server is in a DST zone then all your users will be changed over whether they should be or not. If your server is in a non DST zone none of them will be changed over whether they should or not. It denies the global nature of the internet completely.

As long as they were designing fancy buttons for each time zone, couldn't they have designed them to be DST sensitive or not based on what the majority of people in that time zone do? I mean, Arizona would still have problems unless vB gave them a button all their own, but in cases where the whole time zone goes or doesn't it might be helpful. Golly, they could even do seperate buttons for the southern hemisphere. Does anyone down there change clocks? If so I can't imagine they do it the same time North America does. It would be really counterproductive.
post #10 of 13
4/11/02 at 3:44pm
I imagine, considering the complaints, that vBulletin will fix this in an upcoming version. Hopefully... :
post #11 of 13
4/12/02 at 5:02pm
Thread Starter 
You know what I just realised? People will complain about anything! I live in a lovely place. Most of the users here had to change all their clocks.. 8, 12, 20... whatever. I had to change my time stamp here. Just the one. I'm such a big fat whiner! LOL But my sense of logic is still boggled! Thank you for all your kind help with this Cynthia!
post #12 of 13
4/12/02 at 5:10pm
Isn't London time and GMT the same thing? And they do have daylight savings - they go a week before us in April and the same as us in October.
post #13 of 13
4/12/02 at 11:47pm
Thread Starter 
The surrounding area may go on DST but Greenwich Mean Time doesn't change. I think they talked about that in the link Cynthia posted. GMT is always left as a constant.

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