Everyone taking your D? NO vitamin D is being made in northern latitudes right now. - Page 3

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by lilylove

No vit D supplements here
We get lots of sunshine through most of the year(even here in MI), our bodies have the ability to store vit D(isn't it amazing how smart bodies are?), and I believe that people where never meant to get the majority of their vit D through nutrition and wonder if that is the healthiest way to get it.

I have been talking to a friend IRL this week who had LOTS of sunshine during summer without sunscreen. We live in MA. And she had been taking 850 IU of D per day in CLO plus other amounts of D from food.

And her blood levels are very deficient right now, at 20.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

How does calcium fit into the picture for you guys? Did you see that I mentioned in another thread that too little calcium can cause vit. D deficiency? I wonder how calcium and K effect each other then. It's so complex!

I don't think we're extremely sensitive to calcium intake (I didn't see that, which thread?). There have been times I was really on the ball with bone broth and our mineral supplement and I didn't see anything odd, and when I added in a mineral supp for myself, my HCP was surprised that I didn't need more (using urine pH to see when my body got enough that started dumping the excess). I have many deficiencies (some nutritional ) but Ca is one of the more minor ones I think.

I think, with just CLO alone, for my son I was depleting his K and doing some funky stuff with his calcium utilization for a while. That's when his tartar build-up happened--it was very sudden, within a relatively short timeframe after I started the CLO regularly, I saw the discoloration and was sure it was decay (went to 2 holistic dentists wanting to get lots of options for dealing with it, only to quickly learn it was tartar ). And with putting together the K thing, and starting that, the tartar hasn't continued (and I _think_ his bottom teeth are straightening ). But your threads in Dental about tartar and digestion/bile acid stuff was interesting to me for my daughter. I have a much harder time figuring out what to do for her--she "looks" healthier than him, but I think they're just different and I don't know enough about specific people in my husband's family to be able to put together the pieces as easily as I can for my son.

[JaneS]

I can't remember the other thread since I've been bopping around here and there and everywhere today. Just a mention I saw in Kenneth Bock's new book, that lack of calcium can induce vitamin D deficiency even with plenty of sunlight.

[JaneS]

Vitamin D in preventive medicine: are we ignoring the evidence?
Br J Nutr. 2003 May;89(5):552-72.

There is now general agreement that a low vitamin D status is involved in the pathogenesis of osteoporosis. Moreover, vitamin D insufficiency can lead to a disturbed muscle function. Epidemiological data also indicate a low vitamin D status in tuberculosis, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, inflammatory bowel diseases, hypertension, and specific types of cancer. Some intervention trials have demonstrated that supplementation with vitamin D or its metabolites is able: (i) to reduce blood pressure in hypertensive patients; (ii) to improve blood glucose levels in diabetics; (iii) to improve symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis and multiple sclerosis.

[lablover]

JaneS,

Do you know anything about the site below? I was reading a Mercola article on Vitamin D a month ago and someone posted a link to it in the comments section, also stating that vitamin D can be counterproductive for people with certain autoimmune diseases. It is a website that talks about autoimmune disease, and something called the Marshall Protocol, and it's very anti Vitamin D. I did a quick search on Vitamin D and here is one posting that popped up:

http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/

Is this stuff legit, or is it just quackery?

ETA: A quick google search led me to believe that most mainstream doctors think Marshall is a quack.

[JaneS]

No, I've never seen that site or information before and a number of things which I believe are true are ignored (ie. the modulating effects of vitamin A on vitamin D toxicity, they are meant to be taken as a team ... info which will take the mainstream many many years to recognize based on their faulty research of vitamin A).

Do I agree with their criticism of the media and commercialism of D? Absolutely. Much like touting anything "lowfat" means it's healthy, it's ridiculous how tiny amounts of a synthetic vitamin can be used to sell unhealthy processed food.

But it also disturbs me that that page likens vitamin D to HRT. In my mind, D has a long history of use in native people eating high D foods, the more of these foods the farther they lived from the equator. HRT doesn't have a similar long history of supporting natural human health, it was created as a solution to a perfectly natural "problem". I find the analogy incomparable.

I'll look into the L form of bacteria interfering with VDR's, that is very interesting.

[Satori]

I'm restarting my Vit D supp tomorrow, 50,000IU 1x a week, my last level was 23 which is up from the I think 15 it was, can't remember, its been awhile. Can anyone recommend a liquid Vit D that's not fat/oil based? I want to start my nursing 2 yr old on it and she's on a very low fat diet for a metabolic disorder so I can't be giving her fat based stuff like cod liver oil. I'm also going to be starting both kids on liquid calcium and b-complex. Just hope I can afford it! My vit D and B12 shots alone are $27 mo since my insurance doesn't cover it. My Multi prenatel is $25mo, Calcium is $15 if I remember right (I have severe bone loss). dd's liquid calcium is $11mo, vit D will cost me another $10 for her. She can't swallow horse pills yet so I have to buy her a liquid b-complex, no idea how much that's going to cost then I need to order the 2 yr olds stuff too. Celiac SUCKS! Were all much happier and more emotionally stable on the supps but when it costs $100 a month for everyone it sucks becasue I just can't afford it so I have to decide who needs it more this month? Was all excited I was going to get a food processor when I remembered I needed to refill the meds and there went my money Oh well, I got my B12 shot last night and today I had more energy then I've had in weeks because I've been missing my shots due to lack of money. Anyway, tips on affording supps when your broke and can't eat fish?

[northerngirl]

I am using a Carlson's liquid vitamin D, it is in coconut oil. One drop = 2000IU. They also have a 1000IU and 400IU? version. Last year I took a brand that was in sesame oil, one drop =2000IU. I am no expert but I thought I read somewhere that D is fat soluble and so maybe it being based in the coconut or sesame oil is to help with absorption?? I am not sure the fat content of 1 drop of vitamin D, but it doesn't seem like it would be much, the drops are small. I did see somewhere there are gummy type vit D for kids made by Rainbow Light, not sure of fat content though.
I usually buy my supplements online. Vita cost or Lucky vitamin are the ones I have gotten the best prices from. I just got a huge bottle of carlsons very finest fish oil online and paid only slightly more than a small bottle locally. It was such a great deal. I sometimes feel guilty about getting items online when I could get the same item locally (although for more $). But then I think hey I am spending a lot of $$ at the hfs for other things, and then I don't feel so bad.

[Pam_and_Abigail]

this is very interesting.

what about the role of vit D and mood/learning problems?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Satori

I'm restarting my Vit D supp tomorrow, 50,000IU 1x a week, my last level was 23 which is up from the I think 15 it was, can't remember, its been awhile. Can anyone recommend a liquid Vit D that's not fat/oil based? I want to start my nursing 2 yr old on it and she's on a very low fat diet for a metabolic disorder so I can't be giving her fat based stuff like cod liver oil. I'm also going to be starting both kids on liquid calcium and b-complex. Just hope I can afford it! My vit D and B12 shots alone are $27 mo since my insurance doesn't cover it. My Multi prenatel is $25mo, Calcium is $15 if I remember right (I have severe bone loss). dd's liquid calcium is $11mo, vit D will cost me another $10 for her. She can't swallow horse pills yet so I have to buy her a liquid b-complex, no idea how much that's going to cost then I need to order the 2 yr olds stuff too. Celiac SUCKS! Were all much happier and more emotionally stable on the supps but when it costs $100 a month for everyone it sucks becasue I just can't afford it so I have to decide who needs it more this month? Was all excited I was going to get a food processor when I remembered I needed to refill the meds and there went my money Oh well, I got my B12 shot last night and today I had more energy then I've had in weeks because I've been missing my shots due to lack of money. Anyway, tips on affording supps when your broke and can't eat fish?

The Carlson's D Drops might work for your DD b/c the dosage is so tiny. Any "dry D" supplements you see... steer clear of them, they are vitamin D2, the vegan version from yeast, and D2 has side effects.

Are you taking K2 for bone loss? Your D is still very low at 23, how long have you been doing the shots and it hasn't gone up much? I wonder if you are taking 50,000IU of D2 since that is a typical mainstream method and dose?? I would sincerely suggest you consider the natural D3 version and a different dosage pattern. Perhaps the D Drops will be more cost efficient for you both.

Have you tired Jarrow Methyl B12 5000mg? It's a sublingual and is reportedly as good as B12 shots if you take everyday. IHerb has good price on it for 2 month dosage: http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails....1&pid=117&at=0

Not to have to get to you do another supplement but magnesium is extremely important for bones (and teeth, and mood, and muscles...)
Is making 24 hr. bone broth an option for you? It's so healing for the gut too. It has both high amounts of calcium and magnesium in a very easily absorbed form.

Your DD is nursing but still needs calcium?

And also, just to clarify for all:

Vitamin A is extremely important to be taking *with* vitamin D, as both vitamins protect against the toxicity of each other, and regulate minerals together:
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...ina-osteo.html

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Is making 24 hr. bone broth an option for you? It's so healing for the gut too. It has both high amounts of calcium and magnesium in a very easily absorbed form.

Jane, do you have any references/articles/whatever on bone broth being a reasonable source of magnesium? When I looked, a while back, the articles I found (that rightfully extolled the virtues of homemade broth) didn't mention magnesium--I was looking.

Thx.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Pam_and_Abigail

this is very interesting.

what about the role of vit D and mood/learning problems?

Extremely interesting pages on Depression and Autism here:

Depression and Vitamin D
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/depression.shtml

Autism and Vitamin D
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/autism/

Personally I am *very* grateful I found out about taking high amounts of D b/c it has done tremendous things for my mood! Like seriously life changing, I handle stress soooo well sometimes I even surprise myself! I have run out before (saving last amounts for DS) and I do feel a difference in a week or two. This is quite possible due to higher amounts of omega 3s as well b/c they are well studied for mood/depression.

I usually take a tablespoon or two of cod liver oil/day. Sometimes I use 1 tablespoon HVCLO like Radiant Life and sometimes the lower vitamin (cheaper) one like Twinlab which means I take twice as much. I mix it up too depending on how much fish I'm eating and how much beef liver, in the latter case I take vitamin D pills with lower A for the day b/c I'm getting my A from the liver. I know this would drive some people batty (confusing much!) but it seems to work for me.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Jane, do you have any references/articles/whatever on bone broth being a reasonable source of magnesium? When I looked, a while back, the articles I found (that rightfully extolled the virtues of homemade broth) didn't mention magnesium--I was looking.

Thx.

Broth is Beautiful
http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/broth.html

Grandmother Knew Best

Science validates what our grandmothers knew. Rich homemade chicken broths help cure colds. Stock contains minerals in a form the body can absorb easily—not just calcium but also magnesium, phosphorus, silicon, sulphur and trace minerals. It contains the broken down material from cartilage and tendons--stuff like chondroitin sulphates and glucosamine, now sold as expensive supplements for arthritis and joint pain.

Fish stock, according to traditional lore, helps boys grow up into strong men, makes childbirth easy and cures fatigue. "Fish broth will cure anything," is another South American proverb. Broth and soup made with fishheads and carcasses provide iodine and thyroid-strengthening substances.

p. 42 Nourishing Traditions

It is magnesium, not calcium, that forms hard tooth enamel resistant to decay. Like calcium and chloride, magnesium also plays a role in regulating the acid-alkaline balance in the body...

An excellent source of usable magnesium is beef, chicken, or fish broth. High amounts of zinc and vitamin D increase magnesium requirements.

I need to post re: acid-alkaline balance somewhere else...

[tanyalynn]

Okay, well now I went off and found my other article, a really long one, and it mentions magnesium too! So somehow, my initial reading of both the WAPF article and this one

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=artBody;col1

missed magnesium. Wow, my information retention is a lot lower than even I thought it was!

[JANmom13]

I don't know about this- I live in the south now and never have given my kids Vitamin D. I grew up from age 7 on in New Hampshire, and we never took it as kids and were just fine. I don't think we even took a regular multi-vitamin at that age. You do get Vitamin D from foods and milk, especially kids would guzzle milk. Are there risks for getting too much? I don't think anyone has ever looked into this, and common sense says too much of anything isn't good so I'd measure blood levels first. Also, no one has looked into this- but if you live in a northern climate long enough, perhaps your body adjusts and learns to do ok without it? But maybe not in all cases, there's always an exception to everything.

[mama1803]

[QUOTE=JaneS;12623195] and D2 has side effects.



QUOTE]

What are the side effects of D2? DD drinks lots of hempmilk which is fortified with D2.

[Mrsboyko]

Watching for more info. i have nothing to add becasue I need to learn it all.

[MacroMama]

I just wanted to mention a few things.

#1) When taking high doses of Vit D, you need to be careful because it can cause your body to produce excess calcium which can cause problems. I asked my doctor to test me for Vit D deficiency, which she did quite hesitantly because I wasn't the typical candidate for it, but my mom (who lives in Southern FL, by the way) and my husband both came up Vit D deficient. When I turned up with a rating of 12, she prescribed 50,000 IU per week and for me to be tested every 4 weeks for calcium to make sure I wasn't producing excessive levels of calcium. Someone mentioned they were consuming 50,000IU/week as well AND taking calcium supplements so I would check with your doctor before continuing!

2) Since I'm still nursing my ds, I checked with my pediatrician regarding such high dosages of Vit D and how that could affect him. She was not comfortable for him nursing more than once a day since his body could also produce excessive calcium. The nurse told me that even 5,000 IU was on the high side. So, please check with your pediatricians if you're nursing and consuming more than 5,000 IU of Vit D.

By the way, as I mentioned earlier, I had no symptoms and my doctor was shocked when my Vit D came back so low. So, it may be worth asking for if you're at the doctor anyway.

Thanks for bringing this up!

[Chinese Pistache]

Not that this is the end-all-be-all of advice, but our ped told me yesterday that if the mother takes 2000 IU of vit d, her infant (if nursing quite a bit, not just once a day) will get enough vit d through her and not need a supp. It's probably a low recommendation, but it's a number to start with.

[snitker79]

I looked at the multivit and the CLO I'm taking and it seems to be pretty low considering the 3,000 IU recommended for adults.

What is the best "form" of Vit D to take? I'm assuming D3 and not in powder form, right?

Also, what is the ratio of D to A that should be taken?

It seems like this is all so much information. I take a multivitamin so that I can get everything I need in one shot and I still have to take all sorts of "extras" to get what is needed. How does one go about making sure you're not overdosing on certain vitamins between taking multivitamins, CLO, and other single vitamins?