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post #1 of 27
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When our son was born we knew we wanted to keep everything as natural as possible. Including toys. We are not comfortable with giving him plastics. And we prefer for stuff to be made in the USA, but are willing to adjust depending on the item (example: many safe, natural toys are made in Germany and such). Any toy we have ever bought for him has either been wooden or a soft toy made with organic cotton.

So, my mother-in-law mentioned this fisher-price toy she wanted to buy for our son for his birthday and asked us if we minded if she bought it for him. She had seen it advertised on tv and very much felt that it would be great for him and that he could really use it. We had not seen it before so we looked it up on the internet. Neither of us cared for it. It plays (obnoxious) music and lights up. It is made in china. It is 99% plastic - no ideal what type of plastic either.

We wanted to say no. We did not want him to have the thing....for obvious reasons. But my mother-in-law thought it would be so great for him. And we really appreciated that someone wanted to do something kind for our son. So....we told her that it would be fine to buy it for him.

Anyways, so yeah....nearly 3 weeks later he has a huge piece of plastic crap sitting in the living room. At first he played with a lot, but as time has passed he's played with it less and less. We keep the switch turned off which = no lights and music. But we honestly regret that we said okay about it. For many reasons.

We recently reflected on our original goals and why we had set those goals. In doing so we realized we need to be more firm about these things. But how? How do we tell people that we do not want the plastic, 'made in 'who knows where' gifts for our son when the things we prefer him to have can sometimes cost much more than what one can find by just running to the nearest wal-mart?

I would like to figure out how to gently lead people towards these safer gifts for our son. I find myself looking back to when we told MIL 'okay' and wishing we had instead went to a natural toy website and showed her the different items she could buy for him for the same price.

And I also would like to figure out a quiet way of letting people know how and where to find toys that are safe and natural. Which would be a lot easier to do if natural toys were sold in most stores instead of just on the internet.

Any suggestions?
post #2 of 27
i am guessing your son is v. young. and i am guessing mostly you are meaning family and close friends.

since this is something you will be seeing for a long time - along with the invitation i would include an honest letter outlining your philosophy and list of brands and websites that you approve.

and leave it at that.

beyond that you cant really do or say anything. coz they will buy whatever they want. i am sure some may not follow your philosophy and so buy the stuff you want to avoid because they would feel your son was missing out on a lot.

as he gets older and you invite people who you are not so familiar with - you can make it a no presents invitation. or donate to your chosen charity or whatever you feel called to do. even then you will find some who wont follow directions and bring presents.
post #3 of 27
Your message might be more positively received if it is done in a positive way, as in we prefer X,Y & Z instead of no A,B & C.
post #4 of 27
First - would your MIL and other older family members shop online? Ours don't, so we request things like books, art supplies, books, family memberships, books, socks, etc.

If they don't shop online there is probably no sense in directing them to the websites. I would suggest having a conversation about it when it is not in the context of her asking to buy something specific. Bring it up over a visit that you learned xyz about plastic and MIC toys, and it really concerns you, and you are going to make a conscious effort to keep the household clear of it. Have a dialogue about it and it should raise concerns to her too. Unfortunately there are enough recalls to prove we are not being paranoid.

You were being gracious when you allowed your MIL to buy something that she thought was special for you son. Don't kick yourself for that. If he is not playing with it you can put it away and soon enough he will be too old for it and you can donate it.

Here is how my friend did it - she sent out an email to everyone talking about how they are challenging themselves to keep their household environmentally friendly and rely on plastic as little as possible. She asked people to be supportive of their choices and offer suggestions if they had any. I think it worked, but her parents are internet savvy and can shop online.

Good luck. I am sorry to say it is an uphill battle as they get older. Especially when they get old enough to enjoy a gift and understand that it is theirs (and not Mom's to give to goodwill).
post #5 of 27
I think you've gotten great advice. If there are stores in the area that support that kind of toy, you could let your family know about that too.

I just wanted to add that as toxic as toys are, there are lots of other "toxins" in the world that a loving family helps to ward against. So for us, it's definitely been worth the odd toy we wouldn't normally purchase ourselves.
post #6 of 27
My family knows our feelings quite well and is pretty good about it.

Something i have done as the girls have gotten older and are inviting friends to their parties, it to put a blurb in the invite that says something like. Maia is turning 6, she is growing up more and more everyday, it seems like we were just celebrating her first birthday and getting her her irst soft doll. It amazes me to see the amount of time she spends reading books (she is reading simple books on her own already! and loves to listen to we read her chapter books), doing puzzles, and creating wonderful art and craft projects. She loves looking at a variety of supplies and inventing something new to create. I am so pround to be her mommy.

Sort of steers people towads the type of things we would like without saying "buy her things we like" or really without even doing the we expect a gift thing. More of an update on her developmental stage.
post #7 of 27
I wrote an email to our families and used all the recalls of last year to our advantage. I asked people to avoid MIC and painted plastic toys. I told them all what kinds of things she was interested in and thanked them all very much.

Some followed are wishes, others did not. Some presents got donated (If I received them in the mail when dd wasn't here to see them) and some did not.

I honestly have relaxed about it (not saying you should) b/c I have discovered that it is less stressful for me. My dd is old enough now to play with toys with out putting them in her mouth (sometimes she needs to be reminded) and she is also old enough to talk to her about certain items. As a previous poster has mentioned, having a good family bond (with the kind side of our family) is more important, to us, then worrying about the occasional gift we wouldn't buy ourselves.

Good luck!
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by meemee View Post
i am guessing your son is v. young. and i am guessing mostly you are meaning family and close friends.

since this is something you will be seeing for a long time - along with the invitation i would include an honest letter outlining your philosophy and list of brands and websites that you approve.
Yes, I forgot to mention that our son just turned one. And yes, I am referring to just family. His birthday has already come and gone. It wasn't a party or anything. I am just trying to figure out how to avoid in the future what happened during his birthday. Especially with christmas coming soon.

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First - would your MIL and other older family members shop online?
Both MIL and my mom have access to the internet. I am just not sure if they would be willing to purchase things from there. I think there is a decent chance they might.


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Originally Posted by Hoopin' Mama View Post
Good luck. I am sorry to say it is an uphill battle as they get older. Especially when they get old enough to enjoy a gift and understand that it is theirs (and not Mom's to give to goodwill).
Yes. That is a day that I've been dreading for awhile now - when I can no longer just toss it in the goodwill pile or return it to the store without him missing anything.
post #9 of 27
Here's my take on the situation-- and the strategy we've developed.

If people ask me what my DS likes, I get to list all the natural, organic, cloth, Made in USA toys I want, or alternatives like books, art supplies, music, memberships or classes.

If people don't ask, it seems very rude to me to tell them what to get my child. Gifts are gifts, given out of love, and that is what is really important, and I won't dictate to people what is or isn't acceptable.

The other thing I think you'll realize quickly is that a lot of the big, plastic, annoying toys are amusing for a week or two, then they can be moved out of sight and/or donated. We also take our plastic toys to the park to play with in the sandbox, because I don't care if they get lost, stolen or broken.

So, to sum it up, I don't tell people what to get DS unless they ask for suggestions, and then I happily point them away from junk.
post #10 of 27
Since your mil asked your permission before buying, I would gather she cares about you and your husbands' opinions in regards to your son's play items, and that it would of gone better if you two had simply answered her question honestly.

In regards to invite, I agree with the poster of "we prefer a, b, c... When I send out invites, I always include a list of the kids' interests, clothing size, and a note that we love books. And in the end if we don't like an item, we just return it for something they would like.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by Marylizah View Post
Here's my take on the situation-- and the strategy we've developed.

If people ask me what my DS likes, I get to list all the natural, organic, cloth, Made in USA toys I want, or alternatives like books, art supplies, music, memberships or classes.

If people don't ask, it seems very rude to me to tell them what to get my child. Gifts are gifts, given out of love, and that is what is really important, and I won't dictate to people what is or isn't acceptable.
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But if you can steer the conversation towards your preference with someone like your MIL, you might suggest that she make something for your child or with your child as a gift. For example, she could record her voice reading or telling stories, singing songs, or telling nursery rhymes. Or sew something. Or make a little "house" out of a shoebox. Or put together a "kit" of interesting natural objects found in your area. Or.... If you really get her on your side, you can ask her to explain things to others who are thinking of buying gifts for your child, which gets you off the hook of having to "dictate" what is or isn't acceptable. If she isn't super-sensitive you can also use the Fisher-Price fiasco as an object lesson in the fleeting appeal of junky toys, but you will have to go with your instinct on that one. It took me a long time to get the message across to my mom about Little People, which she, for some reason, thinks are wonderful.
post #12 of 27
We keep bringing up the Made In China lead paint problems that were so prevelent with toys last year. That seems to still be fresh enough in people's minds.

I made an Amazon wish list which is all books and wooden, age approproate toys.

I told MIL that anything she bought that I found too obnoxious/big whatever was staying at her house, an SHE could listen to it.

It hasn't meant that we were able to avoid plastic altogether, but it has stemmed the flow of cheap, easily breakable crap toys.
post #13 of 27
I go the proactive route.

A reasonable amount of time before gift giving occasions, I let major players (grandparents) know what she needs. My mom tends to overbuy, so I generally ask for consumables like art supplies and send her a list of what DD is low on/what she'd love to play with. She sometimes gets weird stuff, but when we use it its gone and I'm okay with my DD playing with weird shaving cream like paint for a while.

My inlaws understand and enjoy expereinces, so I often request memberships from them- zoo, aquarium, Children's Museum and with a thank you card, we send photos of DD experiencing.
post #14 of 27
One thing I've tried this past bday for my DD is to ask people not to bring gifts and instead make a donation to a certain charity (of my choice). I then buy several items for my DD that I approve of, and make them 'from everyone' at the party. This site: www.echoage.com was an inspiration, but I wasn't quite ready to go this route.

Good luck - I struggle with this too, and I know how hard it is.
post #15 of 27
Could you bring up the green aspect of buying natural toys? Let her know that even Toys r us has a natural toy line so it won't be as hard as she thinks. Are you ok with MIC wood toys, such as M&D? That would open up a whole slew of more in-store things she could find. Is she crafty and likes to do that sort of thing? Maybe buy some playsilks for her and have her dye them? Felt food (there's tons of examples to be found online).

I would love if my family only bought natural things, but the reality is they likely never will. So I really try to stress no batteries (again, going on the green aspect of always having to replace them and the obnoxious aspect but you can tailor it to whatever pulls your family). One thing that's helped TREMENDOUSLY was to send over the obnoxious toys to their house after my kids get bored of it. Both parents love to get our hand me downs" of toys the girls aren't into as much for their house. I be sure to send any obnoxious ones that they gave after awhile and I think they've gotten the hint now. Need to do the same with MIL now. Surprisingly I just don't think my parents, specifically my dad, realized how obnoxious those toys get after teh same button is pushed 20 times in a row.
post #16 of 27

why should plastic be avoided?

Im a newbie and unsure if I can post my own questions, cause I couldnt find where to do so, so I'm sorry, but I was just wondering what some of the reasons are that people avoid plastic toys? This is a totally new concept to me. It seems like everything in the stores are made out of it. I would love to know more about this, thanks!
post #17 of 27
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Im a newbie and unsure if I can post my own questions, cause I couldnt find where to do so, so I'm sorry, but I was just wondering what some of the reasons are that people avoid plastic toys? This is a totally new concept to me. It seems like everything in the stores are made out of it. I would love to know more about this, thanks!
Let me see if I can kind of summarize. Many people here feel that some plastics can be harmful to children, especially very young ones that put things in their mouths, plus the environmental aspect of the petroleum and energy involved in manufacture, and the batteries required to run them. Not only that, but many plastic toys only have one function whereas a lot of wooden and cloth more "natural" toys can be used many ways allowing kids to really explore their imaginations more. In my household, we allow and have a mixture of toys, but I find that some of the loud flashy plastic ones are not played with as much, so can be the type to quietly be weeded out.
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by mariekitt24 View Post
Im a newbie and unsure if I can post my own questions, cause I couldnt find where to do so, so I'm sorry, but I was just wondering what some of the reasons are that people avoid plastic toys? This is a totally new concept to me. It seems like everything in the stores are made out of it. I would love to know more about this, thanks!
Let me see if I can kind of summarize. Many people here feel that some plastics can be harmful to children, especially very young ones that put things in their mouths, plus the environmental aspect of the petroleum and energy involved in manufacture, and the batteries required to run them. Not only that, but many plastic toys only have one function whereas a lot of wooden and cloth more "natural" toys can be used many ways allowing kids to really explore their imaginations more. In my household, we allow and have a mixture of toys, but I find that some of the loud flashy plastic ones are not played with as much, so can be the type to quietly be weeded out.
All of that, plus plastic doesn't hold up as well. We've thrown out numerous plastic toys because the pieces get broken. Or lost. There's no many wood toys out there that "have a million tiny pieces to them". I like toys that hold my kids interest longer than 2 seconds as well. I think the "worst" toys out there are the obnoxious electronic "educational" ones. It sings the ABC's so suddenly they can now call it educational. Gets parents every time. They bring toy home and kid hits the same button 40 times in a row and it drives you mad, and to pour salt in the wound there have been studies after studies proving that these toys aren't really educational at all. The parents could have just bought a book and pointed out the different letters and their sounds which is how kids learn anyways - by spending time with an involved adult.
post #19 of 27
I made a note on the top of DS's christmas list (my family demands lists) that we'd like to avoid MIC plastic type toys because of all the scares last year. We did make a big point of giving lots of other ideas about what he would like, so they didn't feel stuck.
post #20 of 27
My IL's won't shup on the internet, so when they ask about gifts we point them to Pottery Barn Kids, Target, and World Market or an art/craft store where they can find wooden toys and art supplies. They won't go to a non-chain store, so those places optimize the chances of DC getting toys they will like. The plastic ones aren't played with for more than a week anyway cause the kids quickly loose interest in them in favor of more open ended toys that stimulate imagination.
We still get plastic MIC Walfart junk, but we can honestly say we gave away the plastic toy to charity because the kids lost interest... honestly. Hopefully they will get it eventually that their money is better spent on more natural toys.
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