That mytical NIP woman letting it all hang out? Oops, that was me.

[laohaire]

If you need someone to blame for those people who are disgusted by the woman letting it all hang, blame me.

I thought this woman was totally mythical until last night. But then I saw the enemy, and it was myself.

DH, DD and I had just left a restaurant and DD (as ALWAYS!!) wanted to nurse in the car before we left. It's gotten to the point where she doesn't always actually want to nurse, but just wants to hang out with us in the front seat before we put her in her carseat. So she's playing with the radio and I'm saying, hey, do you wanna nurse or not? She says yes. So I lift my shirt and she goes back to playing with the radio. I said, DD, if you're just going to play with the radio, then let's get you in your seat and go! She says she wants to nurse and finally latches on.

Then I noticed DH was staring at another parked car. He told me, bemused, that there was a woman in the car staring at us (I'm legally blind and couldn't see her myself). He wondered if it was because of my DD's age. I realized, oh no, I was just sitting there "hanging" for a good minute while DD was playing with the radio! I just really wasn't thinking (partly because, I am blind, and I unconsciously assume that if I can't see something, nobody else can either - I'm just generally a lot less self-conscious).

The most interesting part of the whole thing was DH. When DD was born, he was pretty paranoid about me NIP. He supported me, but was anxious about it. Now that DD is 3, he had no embarassment whatsoever, he was just amused. He stared back at the lady until she drove away. LOL.

[Juvysen]

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You didn't take your entire shirt off, though.... right? Apparently there was a lady that came into the daycare I used to work at to nurse her baby. To do it, she took her entire shirt and bra *off*. She was sitting there topless, nursing her baby. The staff had nursing mothers in there all the time on their lunch breaks, but this completely shocked them! They did end up asking her (politely) to keep her shirt on, at least, but it was several days later after lots of deliberating on how to handle it.

[laohaire]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

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You didn't take your entire shirt off, though.... right? Apparently there was a lady that came into the daycare I used to work at to nurse her baby. To do it, she took her entire shirt and bra *off*. She was sitting there topless, nursing her baby. The staff had nursing mothers in there all the time on their lunch breaks, but this completely shocked them! They did end up asking her (politely) to keep her shirt on, at least, but it was several days later after lots of deliberating on how to handle it.

Wow, so even THAT lady exists???

No, I've not been that lady... haven't figured that one out yet. Is it just more comfortable for some women? Do some women think you HAVE to take it all off? Never heard of a nursing bra?

When DH was laughing about our voyeur, I DID ask him if I should let her see the other side though... lol.

[Swan3]

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They really DO exist then!!!

[WeasleyMum]

I thought for sure you were going to walk into the restaurant not realizing that you were *still* lettin' it all hang out. Heck, you were still in the car. That hardly even counts.

[menomena]

Originally Posted by WeasleyMum

I thought for sure you were going to walk into the restaurant not realizing that you were *still* lettin' it all hang out. Heck, you were still in the car. That hardly even counts.

haha, that's what i was thinking, too. the car is private space, totally doesn't count, unless you had your boob all smooshed up on the window or something.

ETA: oh lordy, i'm embarrassed. my 3yo was singing a song about poop (hah) so when i wrote "boob" my dyslexia kicked in and i wrote poop. ack. i'm not gross, i promise.

[annie_noah]

Friends of ours run a cooperative day care and had an information evening. One woman came to the information evening and informed everyone she would need to pump during the meeting. She proceeded to take off her top and then sitting there in her bra, hooked herself up to her pump and proceeded to pump for 30 minutes of the 60 minute meeting.

[prothyraia]

Originally Posted by annie_noah

Friends of ours run a cooperative day care and had an information evening. One woman came to the information evening and informed everyone she would need to pump during the meeting. She proceeded to take off her top and then sitting there in her bra, hooked herself up to her pump and proceeded to pump for 30 minutes of the 60 minute meeting.

Okay, I would do that (when ya gotta pump, ya gotta pump!)...but that would be the one situation where I'd use a nursing cover.

[the_lissa]

That's funny!

In any case, I don't think that person is the enemy.

[annie_noah]

Originally Posted by prothyraia

Okay, I would do that (when ya gotta pump, ya gotta pump!)...but that would be the one situation where I'd use a nursing cover.

I guess I would too if I had to, but I would keep my shirt on! When I was EPing and Working and Pumping, I often adjusted my pumping schedule slightly to avoid having to pump during a meeting if necessary.

[annie_noah]

Originally Posted by the_lissa

That's funny!

In any case, I don't think that person is the enemy.

ITA! Not the enemy! In fact, I wish it was socially acceptable to walk around topless. I know it is legal here (Ontario), but it still just isn't done, so it does stand out when someone does it.

[the_lissa]

Yes I agree. I have seen topless women at the beach, but not walking around. Thankfully, topless men in public outside of the beach seems to be on the downswing too. But I definitely think having the legal right to go topless is a huge boon for NIP rights.

[laohaire]

Originally Posted by menomena

haha, that's what i was thinking, too. the car is private space, totally doesn't count, unless you had your boob all smooshed up on the window or something.

Yeah I am more discreet when I'm in what I consider a public space, and I guess I considered the car private.

But on the other hand, I wouldn't change my shirt in the car right in the middle of a busy parking lot. (I don't wear a bra so that would be VERY revealing if I did that). And would probably expect stares if I did so.

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by menomena

haha, that's what i was thinking, too. the car is private space, totally doesn't count, unless you had your boob all smooshed up on the window or something.

ETA: oh lordy, i'm embarrassed. my 3yo was singing a song about poop (hah) so when i wrote "boob" my dyslexia kicked in and i wrote poop. ack. i'm not gross, i promise.

: *don't wake baby! don't wake baby!*

I knew a woman at my gym who would proudly nurse her kids. Rock on! Right? Except she would flop the entire boob out right over her shirt and just let things hang even though her son had stopped nursing or wandered off. It really weirded us out. But it was her whole manner and approach to it, more than the actual method she used to get her breast out.

[Sarah W]

This is getting off topic, but if we're talking about the issue of morality...wouldn't the problem be with the lusting men and not the natural/topless woman?

And you don't have to be religious to have morals.



Back to the topic...I was very uncomfortable with women NIP (no clue why) and had an aversion almost when I considered BFing. I never imagined I would BFIP. Well, DD decided she didn't agree with me. I swear I have ended up nursing at every single public place I've been to. I was sitting at the entrance to Nordstrom nursing DD last weekend and DH laughed and said, "You've become that woman!" I laughed, because I've nursed her at the entrance of Splash Mountain at Disney and it's all been downhill from there.

I don't take my shirt off, though.

[MommyofAngelBabies]

Originally Posted by Fujiko

to MDC!

Thank you!

[neverdoingitagain]

The reason why women in Canada are allowed(though may not necessary do) to be topless and not be charged with indecent exposure is because men are allowed to.
To deny that particular right would say that woman do not have the same rights as men. Which would give certain people legal prededence to deny a woman right to pretty much anything. Land, vote, safety..etc.
Now, if they were to make it illegal for anyone to go topless, that would be something else entirely. Of course, then it infringes on the rights of all people in Canada.
Meh, either way, someone will always disagree. I kind of thought that way at one time, until I realized that no matter what I do, someone will view me as sexual object. No matter what I do, someone will think that I am indecent. I can't change how "they" view me.
OP- LOL! Good for your dh for staring that lady down! Seriously, you were in your car, there was NO reason for her to be staring.(unless she's legally blind too, and actually couldn't see what was going. Maybe she thought her eyes were tricking her ) I love the "pop-on, pop-off", what fun

[Juvysen]

Anyway, I believe it actually *is* legal in NY state (correct me if I'm wrong). But I've never seen anyone do it : beyond what you might see if you're NIP (um, like a momentary flash at most). Besides, men aren't allowed to be topless in stores, either. Or shoeless, for that matter

[calebsmommy25]

Back to the WHOLE reason this was posted...

Originally Posted by laohaire

If you need someone to blame for those people who are disgusted by the woman letting it all hang, blame me.

I thought this woman was totally mythical until last night. But then I saw the enemy, and it was myself.

DH, DD and I had just left a restaurant and DD (as ALWAYS!!) wanted to nurse in the car before we left. It's gotten to the point where she doesn't always actually want to nurse, but just wants to hang out with us in the front seat before we put her in her carseat. So she's playing with the radio and I'm saying, hey, do you wanna nurse or not? She says yes. So I lift my shirt and she goes back to playing with the radio. I said, DD, if you're just going to play with the radio, then let's get you in your seat and go! She says she wants to nurse and finally latches on.

Then I noticed DH was staring at another parked car. He told me, bemused, that there was a woman in the car staring at us (I'm legally blind and couldn't see her myself). He wondered if it was because of my DD's age. I realized, oh no, I was just sitting there "hanging" for a good minute while DD was playing with the radio! I just really wasn't thinking (partly because, I am blind, and I unconsciously assume that if I can't see something, nobody else can either - I'm just generally a lot less self-conscious).

The most interesting part of the whole thing was DH. When DD was born, he was pretty paranoid about me NIP. He supported me, but was anxious about it. Now that DD is 3, he had no embarassment whatsoever, he was just amused. He stared back at the lady until she drove away. LOL.

I guess I consider the car to be pretty private too. When I nip, I try to be discreet, but in the car I don't take as many precautions. I was trying to think what I would have done if I saw you, and then saw your face as your *realized* that you were hanging out...I think I would giggle a little and give you thumbs up!!! HAHA. Silly slip ups like this are great. Thanks for sharing!

[annettemarie]

No, it's not your imagination. This thread is now a good deal shorter.

If you (general you) would like to have a discussion on nudity and its place in society, Talk Amongst Yourselves would be the best place for that.

If you (again, general you) would like to have a discussion on nudity and morals, you can try either Spirituality or Religious Studies, depending on the your intent.

If you (general again) would like to have a discussion comparing nursing in public in any way, shape, or form to pornography or any other sexual act, you may not do that here on MDC.

If you have questions, please feel free to PM ME. Discussing it on the thread is against the UA.