Nursing mama's dairy elimination support thread. - Page 2

[matey]

Yes, we use olive oil like maniacs here. We do use a butter spread too, Smart Balance Light is a vegan butter, but it does have soybean oil and soy lecithin. We just avoid soy protein.

[Hedwig_Fly]

Smart Balance Lite and Organic SmartBalance is what we have been using. Maybe we will be able to keep using it for now then.

I guess I'll have to get used to olive oil too.

[Mrsboyko]

Get the one labled as "Light tasting", it makes a differance when you are actually tasting it, not just cooking with it.

[Hedwig_Fly]

I've seen some people talking about safe gelatin. What do you need to look out for in gelatin?

If I'm trying to eliminate milk and soy can I not have it? And if that is correct does that mean I shouldn't have regular jelly?

Oh so much to learn.

[Mrsboyko]

Not sure about gelatins. I know that gelatin is generally not vegan, but I don't know about the soy/ dairy tie.

[marlee]

Coconut oil is my new butter. It is great for frying and can be used for baking. I use olive oil alot as well.


So great news ds poops are totally changed. Beatiful yellow. More consistency. Less often. Not as explosive.
Any red spots on diaper area, gone.
Excema on knees still there in dry form but no red.
Face: a little blotchy.

I know I am probably jumping the gun here. But I guess I can assume it is dairy and/or soy and/or egg.

It seems mean now to test ds by adding them in (when I do) as he will have digestive changes. One thing I read is to add a lot of the food. So for milk have two glasses of milk and wait and see. Like I said it seems not nice for ds if milk is the problem. How do you do this? I'm off to look for the answers but I only have a short amount of time.

[LegalScrapper]

Oh I am SO glad to see this site. I've cut out the obvious - milk, cheese, yogurt and ice cream. Then cut out soy. He is still having watery stools and horribly gassy (wakes up screaming). So I guess gluten free is the way to go.


My lc told me to start labelling my pumped milk with what I ate. And to save it. Then when I start adding things back in, I can do it with pumped milk. She said with pumped milk I'll notice a reaction very quickly but it will be out of his system within less than 8 hours. If I eat the product and nurse, then it can be in my system (and pass to baby) for up to 48 hours. So for those of you mourning the loss of frozen milk, hold onto it and never fear quite yet!

I'm off to the health food store. They are getting to know me quite well.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by marlee

It seems mean now to test ds by adding them in (when I do) as he will have digestive changes. One thing I read is to add a lot of the food. So for milk have two glasses of milk and wait and see. Like I said it seems not nice for ds if milk is the problem. How do you do this? I'm off to look for the answers but I only have a short amount of time.

If you've seen improvements by removing those foods, then there really is no need to add them back in (to test for reactions). I would leave them out of your diet for at least 6-12 months to give your LO's gut a chance to heal before reintroducing them.

Originally Posted by LegalScrapper

My lc told me to start labelling my pumped milk with what I ate. And to save it. Then when I start adding things back in, I can do it with pumped milk. She said with pumped milk I'll notice a reaction very quickly but it will be out of his system within less than 8 hours. If I eat the product and nurse, then it can be in my system (and pass to baby) for up to 48 hours. So for those of you mourning the loss of frozen milk, hold onto it and never fear quite yet!

That's pretty interesting, and could work really well. Although if your LO is intolerant to more than one food (which I think most atopic babes are), then that would get REALLY confusing. You would have to label each bottle with every single thing that you ate that day, as well as a few days previous, since those proteins would still be in your system.

[marlee]

Okay walk me through this please. If ds is not reacting to one of the foods I eliminated then why would I keep it out. Isn't it better to have more variety of foods to eat? Of course IF he is reacting that is a different story. Gotta run.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by marlee

Okay walk me through this please. If ds is not reacting to one of the foods I eliminated then why would I keep it out. Isn't it better to have more variety of foods to eat? Of course IF he is reacting that is a different story. Gotta run.

Well, you know he is reacting to at least one of those foods, right? How many foods did you take out? I was under the impression that it was just a couple. If not, then by all means you can do a trial of each to confirm the allergy. But for something like dairy, doing a trial means that you will reintroduce symptoms that might take weeks to completely clear again.

[marlee]

Thanks changingseasons.

I have elimated soy, dairy and eggs.

I still have a lot of work with healing the gut first. I just wanted to figure out probiotics and if I can I will make my own yogurt. Then the whole family can happily eat it.

I still have a ways to go before figuring everything out obviously. Healing the gut first.

[baileyann3]

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macey is almost7 months old and i've always had a sneaking suspicion she has had a dairy intolerance. now she has this rash that will.not.go.away.

so i quit! i'm on day 3 :

the hard part is i am already a vegetarian so i guess now i'm vegan

poor dp.. such a meat eater


what are the commonly mistaken foods that you would think are dairy free but really arent? anyone have a great recipes for me? something hearty please because i am HUNGRY!

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by baileyann3

what are the commonly mistaken foods that you would think are dairy free but really arent? anyone have a great recipes for me? something hearty please because i am HUNGRY!

Nonstick sprays at least sometimes have milk, most margarines, lots of the chocolate products at Whole Foods labelled with "good manufacturing practices used to segregate..." (still frustrated about that one!), and I've found it really hard to find vegan cheese. Many, many are labelled lactose free but contain milk proteins. We just haven't used any at all, so I'm not sure what, if any, brands are good. Lots of processed foods have hidden dairy, it's weird.

[kjbrown92]

I have lots of recipes on my website. We don't do any cheese. We make coconut milk yogurt which can be used to make sweet dips for fruits and savory dips for raw vegetables. I also recently made sweetened condensed milk out of coconut milk and I'm trying new recipes with that (I want FUDGE for Christmas). Also the recipes stickies up on the top of the page has lots of recipes.

You're not a vegan if you're still having eggs! If you're just cutting out dairy... just remember it's not always JUST dairy. It could be soy. Or corn. Or gluten. Or any food on the planet. So if it doesn't go away it doesn't mean it's not a food, or even that it's not milk, it could be milk AND something else. Write down everything you eat and any symptoms/changes.

We also use some rice milk (but DS can't have rice, so we don't use it in baking). Alot of deli meats have dairy in them (but I guess you don't have to worry about that if you're vegetarian). Hmmmm... a lot of my recipes are meat-based since we're limited on legumes and definitely soy. You can do a lot of sauteed vegetables on rice, lots of beans, fruit, soups.... Do you do fish?

[pedi08]

We eliminate soy/dairy for my 5 m old. His poops have been back to normal for about 3 weeks. He has some green sometimes but I think that may be when he nurses like crazy. Instead of labeling my breast milk I date it and keep a food/poop journal. Eliminating dairy was easy once we got the hang of it but then we had to start eliminating soy and that near wiped out everything! Kirkman has dairy/soy free probiotics. Whole foods has a lot of safe foods once you get the hang of it.

Our klast symptom is red dots on his face that have no rhyme or reason. I am stumped on that one but we'll just keep plugging away.

[Hedwig_Fly]

Well - as an update - we are still milk free but we (DD3 & I) are still reacting to something. So we are a clasic milk and ? . Her bottom isn't quite as red all the time but she still has green poop all the time. I know this will sound terrible - but after we make it through the holidays (that's the bad part)- I'm going to start a much more stict ED. I just need time to work out what we are going to eat for a couple weeks and get DH on board. I know we should really start right now but I haven't had enough time to figure out what to eat on a strict ED and with all the holiday parties its so hard.

Oh also DD2 (who is 2.5 years old) has been reacting to something, she keeps getting this weird dotty-red rash on her cheeks and chin. She's also been screeming alot and has a terrible time going to sleep at night. We are suspecting tomatoes/tomatoe based products. I need to get her on a ED too and food journal but I still need DH to really get on board. He's home with the girls all day while I'm at work I just can't figure it out without his help.

[marlee]

Thanks for the update Hedwig. It is really hard with the holidays isn't it.

I guess I'll do an update. I went to a ND and had a vega test done on ds. He was in his wrap and tested through me. I have around 20 things I can't eat! All dairy came up and also wheat and much, much, more. So I do this for 8 weeks and then get tested again. The idea being that at least 90% of the foods that show a sensitivity will be okay to eat again.

But now ds has green poops and is cranky today Oh soo much to learn.
We were doing so well and now quite a few steps back.

I feel like I don't want to go anywhere for 8 weeks as it is so hard being away from home on this diet. I get hungry and haven't mentally and physically prepared my next meal/snack.

[Mrsboyko]

Dairy free cheese (and cream cheese and sour cream)- Tofutti brand. It is soy based though. DD loves it but I have to limit her intake just because like any cheese would, it binds her up.

Check for a vegetarian chili recipe. Always filling and as long as you use your own spices, not one of those packages, it should be fine.

Pancakes- Looks for a pancake mix that is not labeled as "complete" or "just add water" as they already have milk and more in them. I think the one we use is a Bisquick variation. We use rice milk and oil in place of the milk and butter. Then make a bunch and freeze them (double bagged in freezer bags) for a quick breakfast.

Hemp milk is great in fruit blended shakes and coffee. Lots of good stuff in hemp milk and it is filling too.

"Enjoy Life" brand makes top 8 allergy free "cereal" bars and such. Their sunbutter bar is amazing, though tiny and expensive. Good for on the go foods though. And they make a "granola" for a on the go snack too.

Then there is always the staple of cereal and milk. Soy, hemp, or almond are my favorite milks, though rice will suffice if that is all we have. Plain cereal is best, cheerios or chex usually.